The Missing is back next week PART 2!

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Thread one here

So, Sophie Giroux returned pretending to be Alice Webster. DNA results on the body in the shed confirm she is related to Sam.

Baptiste has found out about Henry Reed and the Brigadier being involved with a 9 year old girl in Iraq in 1991. Henry Reed was paying this girls brother.

There are 3 girls in the rollercoaster photo, Sophie, Alice and possibly the girl from Iraq? She has that colouring.

Henry Reed apparently committed suicide although Julien told Daniel he didn't. Whatever Daniel found out about him made him sick.

Nadia has been badly beaten and her husband is still in prison after being identified by Sophie/Alice. Matthew was made to promise to say sorry to the butcher.

Sophie is now in Switzerland. As is the newly spray painted yellow campervan that abducted Alice. Gemma and Baptiste doubt the DNA results as they are still looking for answers 2 years after she returned.

Birds keep being mentioned. Sophie and Alice both had the Web tattoo on their wrists.

Without wanting to sound like I'm bragging okay I know I am I think I was the one to predict something going on with the army press officer purely because Derek Riddell is a pretty well known actor, and it's unlikely they would use him in this just to pop up every now and then talking about press releases.

Good shout to whoever deduced the surrogacy angle.

Need to read the rest of the posts now.

And I am GUTTED about lovely Jorn .

We think in our house:

The brig couldnt remember eves birth as a sign he was getting poorly.

That it is sophie is switzaland

The little girl is really alices girl.

That the third girl is still underground and thats why sophie is in switzaland shes being trained up to run the gang.

The three in iraq were brig sam and the driller killer.
Henry witnessed the young girl being killed amd he knew of the abductions so he felt guilted and was maybe blackmailed over the prostitute hence why he was killed.

The prostitute in 2014 is hiding something maybe the pink watch belonged to sophie? We have the glasses - lena necklace - alice watch - sophie? Maybe henry gave it to her as a security like if he gets bumped off to show it to someone.

Why didnt we see nadia or the twins in this episode? Are they no longer relivant?

Foot in the fire i dont think so sorry gals!!

Have looked repeatedly at "foot" on fire, it looks like a log to me. Feel v green at driller killer. Bit OTT and gruesome, could he not have just clumped him over the head? Also surely drill victim policeman would have told someone where he was going?

She was sorry for framing him for her abduction, she had to do so to keep her daughter safe.

Just lost my long post. Basically brilliant episode, guessed about the surrogacy but hats off to the poster who predicted press man (DH and I did not see that coming). I still think Sophie/Fake Alice is a bad-un. Brigs reaction to birth question maybe because is was stationed away and wasn't there (and felt guilty about it).

The three in iraq were brig sam and the driller killer.
Henry witnessed the young girl being killed amd he knew of the abductions so he felt guilted and was maybe blackmailed over the prostitute hence why he was killed.

Good call. This

That's a big gap though between Iraq and 2014 when Henry was killed. Wouldn't they have just killed him out in Iraq, if he knew too much?

Could there be a (relatively) innocent reason why Brig killed the Iraq girl? Was it just an accident?

I think Henry threatened to shout because one girl had died and another was ill. He'd decided it had gone too far. Hence the murder to keep him quiet.

Maybe they tried to abduct her or use her in their sordid game, and she shouted or threatened to too much.

Hmm.. So my thoughts now:

Press guy (don't know his name so will refer to him as PG) is clearly the sicko/ringleader in this and Henry + Brig were involved. Started back in Iraq with the little girl and then eventually the abduction of the three girls. Personally thinking the third person in Iraq was definitely PG, meaning it was a trio of Brig + Henry + PG.

Sophie got really ill with appendicitis and they realised she needed treatment, so was permitted to "escape" so long as she followed the script perfectly (pretending to be Alice, implicate Nadia's husband as she may have found out something about Iraq perhaps, fake suicide etc to get rid of body and also tie up the Alice case) and her daughter (the little girl) kept back to make sure she returns and does as told.

Convinced the body was Lena's and DNA was either falsified or somehow Sam fathered her, either way, I don't think it's Alice and it's obviously not Sophie. Think PG would have assisted Sophie in staging the fake suicide (obviously can't act alone).

Sophie given keys and told to get to Switzerland in the repainted van and to wait for him/daughter there. Alice potentially is still in captivity with PG and will be transported.

Henry was having second thoughts/struggling and considering coming clean, hence his murder setup to look as a suicide. Think Ilsa is irrelevant to the story except perhaps revealing it was not a suicide. Lena likely to have died of malnutrition. Maybe Lena's death triggered Henry to want to say something which resulted in his murder.

Brig is left alone by PG as clearly has dementia and not going to be blowing their cover now.

Eve (as I predicted before) was surrogate, unaware of anything going on.

Not sure what else there is to tie up. Not sure where twins fit except to show how Matthew has fallen in with a bad crowd, and possibly Nadia's attack?

I'll probably change my mind again next week.

Also: thinking Brig can't remember the birth because of dementia, nothing else.

And why did Alice/Sophie say 'tell him I'm sorry' re the butcher? (Or something like that)

Because he has nothing to do with it. He's been set up.

Oh. My. God!

Just finished watching it.

Has anyone mentioned the throw away comment about the Brig buying two of everything if he likes it? Eve said it whilst unpacking his clothes at the home. She also said she does the same. Feel like it's relevant somehow. The necklace? Could there be two of them? It three even? Maybe the girls were groomed before being abducted and the necklaces were a gift as part of that.

I never saw Press Guy coming at all! Must've missed that comment. Well spotted though!

I really want a Baptiste and lovely awkward policeman spin off. Or the two of them leading The Missing series 3. That's if Baptiste makes it through alive.

Wow. Good episode!

wanted

Past tense. Obviously it can't happen now. Lovely policeman with his mix tape (cd).

Wow, well done on spotting press guy.

I think 3rf person is Aldi. The bondage photos being a clue.

And I think the brig's lack of recollection about Eve's birth is a dementia issue not because he wasn't there.

Is it relevant that Gemma also said Sam wasn't there when Alice was a baby and the Brig "can't remember" Eve's birth?

Can anyone remember the conversation Alice/Sophie had at the dinner table with the family when she talked about how much she loved her baby and how much she missed her when she was taken away/died - I don't remember what she said, but I think this is important. I think it's tied up with why she brought Alice's body back to the shed. I'm also trying to get the timeline straight - Sophie was taken in France first, then Alice in Germany and then the third girl - much later - in Germany. The press officer wouldn't have known Sophie, may have known Alice and certainly knew the last girl. Why is Sophie now in Switzerland leaving the press officer alone with her child? Is she somehow in on it now - did she want the other girls out of the way so she and the press officer could be together with their child as a family?

Is it relevant that Gemma also said Sam wasn't there when Alice was a baby and the Brig "can't remember" Eve's birth?

I think it's relevant, because in a way Brig is mow missing in Eve's life, having dementia, Sam was missing when Alice was a baby, Sophie said there were moments when she was happy while being taken and Gemma was upset because of that.
It's about missing happy moments together as much for everyone involved,
as about missing girls.

While some statements aren't relevant to the whodunit bit they are relevant to the bigger message.

I was interested in Gemma's comment to Sam about how 'You get attached to them (dcs) even if they're not yours' . Also when the brigadier took Eve back in to hospital after she said 'Yes, Sir!' Even when she was not in a joking frame of mind. She also saluted to the brig unnecessarily in an earlier episode when she was pregnant and he was reversing away in the car. Odd relationship.

Random, and def overthinking

Theres also that tattoo - at least two of the girls (Alice and Sophie/fake Alice) had the tattoo on their wrist - I wonder if some of that is somehow relevant.

Who was Henry paying off? Was it the Iraq bloke or the prostitute? I missed it but think it implies he's more than just a bystander who found out what was going on.

Henry was paying off the family in Iraq.
I suspect he was being blackmailed/threatened/made to keep quiet by someone (drilla killa?) who knew he was using a trans prostitute. When he wouldn't keep quiet any longer he was killed.
We know the girl that returned jad given birth but that doesn't mean the little girl has to be hers the others could have had a baby/babies too.
Returned girl said her baby had died bit was she speaking as herself or as Alice.
Someone asked about the tattoos I think the significance is returned girl couldn't pass as Alice without it so had to have the tattoo to get away with claiming to Alice.
Swiss cafe chatty guy to the rescue now nice cop is dead?

Blimey. Didn't see that coming at all.

No spin off/new series with the lovely policeman and the lovely Baptiste.

There was a policeman at work yesterday. Sadly he looked v like René from 'Allo 'Allo and I must admit I sighed a bit at the comparison with Jorn