The Missing is back next week PART 2!

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Thread one here

So, Sophie Giroux returned pretending to be Alice Webster. DNA results on the body in the shed confirm she is related to Sam.

Baptiste has found out about Henry Reed and the Brigadier being involved with a 9 year old girl in Iraq in 1991. Henry Reed was paying this girls brother.

There are 3 girls in the rollercoaster photo, Sophie, Alice and possibly the girl from Iraq? She has that colouring.

Henry Reed apparently committed suicide although Julien told Daniel he didn't. Whatever Daniel found out about him made him sick.

Nadia has been badly beaten and her husband is still in prison after being identified by Sophie/Alice. Matthew was made to promise to say sorry to the butcher.

Sophie is now in Switzerland. As is the newly spray painted yellow campervan that abducted Alice. Gemma and Baptiste doubt the DNA results as they are still looking for answers 2 years after she returned.

Birds keep being mentioned. Sophie and Alice both had the Web tattoo on their wrists.

We don't know if it was Alice in the shed. The DNA said it was a match to Sam but it could have been that he fathered one of the other girls or someone faked the results

I don't think it is Alice's body in the shed. Something must happen to call the DNA into question. Because Gemma, who at this point in the 2014 story believes her daughter is dead, is still searching.

Although admittedly she could just be looking to find out the truth about what happened and who that was that came back.

But, Julien also doesn't believe Alice was dead in the shed. He said "if there is a chance Alice Webster is alive..." (not Sophie Giroux) so he doesn't believe the DNA result either. And, for me, if Julien doesn't believe it the it can't be true.

I agree about Daniel being alive

And I'd like to know the answer to improvings question about what Sam did to be put on a desk job . I agree it's not about the fire.

Eve told Gemma that the body in the shed was DNA matched to Sam. Is this the only reference we've had to the body being 'Alice'?

Because I completely assumed Eve was lying at this point. It followed immediately after Alice's brother angrily turning on Eve and pushing her out of the way (which presumably led to her losing the baby) We saw Eve take a phone call
and then say that she needed to find Gemma. The whole conversation with Gemma then seemed very fake to me. Eve mentioned the DNA link to sam; Gemma then said 'so this was really my daughter, my Alice' and Eve said something like 'I'm sorry, I thought you should know', turning away as she said it.

Everything about that scene implied Eve was lying... if the phone call really had been about the DNA then I assume it was to say there WASNT a match. Eve (for whatever reasons, maybe connected to Gemma's son having just turned on her, maybe something to do with sam??) then lied.

But- is it realistic that the genuine DNA results could be kept secret? Surely there would need to be more people involved in the cover up for it to get as far as 'Alice' being buried and believed by both parents and the authorities to be the real Alice?

So although we were led to believe Eve was lying, I'll be really disappointed if the story hangs on that as part of the plot.

TBH I think it's overall so well done and acted that the writers (and production team) need to be really careful, in any further series, that they don't Let any plot hinge on any weak spots. There are so many of us following this in minute detail - the bar is set high! I enjoyed the first series but like others, I was a tad disappointed in how it all turned out, so hopefully this one won't disappoint

Also.... (I'm way too invested here!!) .... if the girl pretending to be Alice has the motive and ability to plan the shed incident, getting another body, putting her necklace on it and setting the shed alight, surely she would realise that DNA testing would reveal whether the body was alice or not? She wouldn't surely assume the body would end up being buried as Alice? Wouldn't dental records be used as part of the process anyway, to distinguish between Alice and anyone else she might be related to?

So unless fake- Alice was in on eve's deception, and knew Eve would 'cover' for her by lying about the DNA result (or, if the body really was related to sam, at least lying by omission in leading the parents to believe the body was Alice) then this part of the story doesn't stand up.

Does Sam know the truth about the body? The only scene we've had so far about the DNA is a single conversation between Eve as Gemma. Did Eve say something different to Sam? Is Sam pretending to Gemma that he thinks the body is alice?

Help me out here people! I'm itching for ideas as to where this is heading.

Eve and Gemma that should read

I was intrigued to read the following in this week's Radio Times (no spoilers as such, but you may not want to read on if you want to avoid any hints - or to report if you think it's a spoiler)
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You'll need to steady yourself by the end of an episode that left me winded and a wide-eyed with shock. It's a terrific piece of storytelling from writers Harry and Jack Williams as the darkness surrounding the central mystery of Alice Webster becomes thicker, deeper and much, much more sinister. And very violent. As we slip between time frames, the many pieces that make up The Missing's shaken jigsaw of a plot begin to drop into place. (Or do they? There are still three more episodes.) As Sam and Gemma Webster struggle to keep their marriage on course, the dogged Baptiste won't be sidetrakced on his quest to discover what happened in Iraq.

Optimist Thank you. I was thinking it might only 6 episodes which wouldn't give enough time, 8 is a good amount.

I like the way there are so many sub plots, twists and turns and leading us in various directions. I also think the acting (particularly KH) and the filming is superb.

BUT all the above does set the bar very high, and I felt in the first series the 'reveal' didn't live up to the rest of the series. Perhaps the writers can get away with it once, but I'm hoping they won't be relying on something flimsy (such as lack of proper forensics or a convenient identical twin) to solve the mystery

I thought this episode was a bit slow. And that there are tons and tons of red herrings. Alice must be alive, baptiste thinks she is and that's good enough for me. The girl who plays Alice/Sophie is so creepy. Well played by all the actresses who are the stars of this series imo.

Does he think she's still alive?

Is baptiste searching for both Alice and Sophie? I was under the impression he was and that he thinks they are both alive?

Is baptiste searching for both Alice and Sophie? I was under the impression he was and that he thinks they are both alive?

i wondered if the body in the shed was Alice, put there by Sophie

it is confusing

I did think perhaps the authorities were lying about the DNA being Alice though. it was said so casually.

Oh i see other people have same suspicions. expressed much better than me

Eve could well be in a Cover Up. who is the father of her baby when she is pregnant?

Any DNA evidence which was being used to prove identity would be required at the inquest / fatal accident enquiry / whatever it's called in Germany. The expert would required to attest to it.

It's not easy Eve just to fake it . Even if she's in on something very bad with her father, she would have to get the doctor and the involved too.

Also there would be questions asked about why Sams DNA was taken and used without his consent . He made it clear that he didn't agree to a DNA test.

Was the watching guy at the hospital Alice's father? After Baptiste went to him and said he thought the returned girl was actually Alice I would expect, had he got wind of the story that he would want to go check it wasn't his daughter burnt in a shed.

oh good point about sam not agreeing to dna

I have a problem with the " kidnap young women and use them as forced surrogates" theory .

They are taking girls who are initially too young to conceive.

There's a risk of the babies or the mothers dying without medical care

People who buy babies on the surrogate market want to know that the mother has had good medical care before during and after .

Thank you Noah. I know I am over thinking but I feel I'm in good company

Yeah, I doubt it is a surrogate thing, the girls are way too young. I wonder why Alice was bunking off school that day. She clearly had issues as it wasn't the first time and she apparently tattooed herself at the age of 11. Quite young to be getting into trouble.

I don't like Eve. There is something very off about her.

I feel the necklace could be important but can't work out how at the moment.

Why was Sophie/girl that returned (I'm assuming it's Sophie) wearing the third girl's necklace and pretending to be Alice?

I think the third girl is the burnt body in the shed. But not sure how she has Alice's DNA though - where would they have taken DNA from? Could fake DNA have been planted on the body?

Also, what is the necklace of? Is it a bird? Sure we could get very English Lit. about the bird/freedom symbolism and how that ties in with other motifs in the programme.

I thought the necklace was a cross but it's quite large isn't it? Have to have a closer look.

I'm not convinced by my surrogates theory but I started my period at 11 so hadn't considered they'd be too young physically. Also, I think I thought they were slightly older. Anyway I don't think it's that. Was just a theory.

Baptiste has said he wants find Alice but hasn't said about her being alive I don't think.

The necklace is definately a bird. Alice was 11 when taken Sophie was either 10 or 11 (I can't remember if she wad the same age as Alice or the same age when she was taken.) Although it's physically possible for many 11 year old to have a baby older girls would surely be a better bet as very young girls are far more likely to have complications than older teens or might not be fertile yet.