The Missing is back next week PART 2!

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Thread one here

So, Sophie Giroux returned pretending to be Alice Webster. DNA results on the body in the shed confirm she is related to Sam.

Baptiste has found out about Henry Reed and the Brigadier being involved with a 9 year old girl in Iraq in 1991. Henry Reed was paying this girls brother.

There are 3 girls in the rollercoaster photo, Sophie, Alice and possibly the girl from Iraq? She has that colouring.

Henry Reed apparently committed suicide although Julien told Daniel he didn't. Whatever Daniel found out about him made him sick.

Nadia has been badly beaten and her husband is still in prison after being identified by Sophie/Alice. Matthew was made to promise to say sorry to the butcher.

Sophie is now in Switzerland. As is the newly spray painted yellow campervan that abducted Alice. Gemma and Baptiste doubt the DNA results as they are still looking for answers 2 years after she returned.

Birds keep being mentioned. Sophie and Alice both had the Web tattoo on their wrists.

If it was a surrogate baby farming thing, Daniel's Dad would've paid the money to the "arrangers" (no idea wtf to call people who do that illegally) and not directly to Daniel's biological family. Otherwise why would they be doing it? Unless it is abuse rather than insemination. Which I realise is still abuse but you know.

I'm very sure it's something really obvious. Occam's razor and all that.

Just watched again with DH who - from covering the Iraq war - understood (not necessarily correctly) that 9 year old sister killed in Iraq was collateral damage. Got me thinking of all the paedophile speculation in the first series of The Missing, which actually prominently featured a known paedophile, but came to nothing in the end and I'm wondering if it will be the same this time. Anyway makes me think 3rd girl is not from Iraq as she is dead according to the brother so back to the drawing board. I still think Roger Allam is dropping hints. When Sam is is babysitting him he makes mention of Sam being in the tank regiment and says something about three lives, which I took at first to be a reference to something that happened in Iraq. Now I wonder if he was talking about three the girls. I think more and more his dementia is going to be what lets the cat out of the bag.

Did Museum man actually say his sister was dead? I know he said his mother was. Unless he was saying it killed my mother and I missheard. Need to watch that bit again I think.

Bugger, I had the thought ages ago about some sort of baby farming, was probably one of my usual 5am thoughts and I forgot to put it on here. There just seems to be a lot of baby stuff.

I don't believe Eve was a surrogate though. The dad could just be referring to the fact Eve's sister thought she was overdoing it whilst pregnant. Eve isn't very likeable actually which is why she isn't coming across very well. I also think they dad had the start of dementia in 2014 as you saw him taking pills at his desk when Baptiste went to talk to him and that's what they would have been referring to when Eve said had he told her sister yet.

I noticed random bloke at the press conference too. Just stood looking right at Gemma. Definitely weird and didn't look like anyone we had seen.

It will be something straight forward. There was a lot of speculation last series about Ian the paedos daughter having a sex change or something like that. Some really far fetched stuff. Had also thought Occam's razor too. Great minds Enid .

I'm not convinced of Sophie's innocence though. But then that's stupid as she was 11 when she was taken. Also had wondered about Sam but it can't be. I did also pick up on Baptiste's quite to Gemma about not really knowing someone or whatever he said, I too thought that referred to her and Sam. But he was in Iraq when the others were who are in the frame so it's plausible.

But again, last time it was someone we had hardly seen and nearly everything else was irrelevant.

I didn't hear him say she was dead either, just about being paid didn't make up for what they did to her. I also thought he said it killed his mother, not she was actually killed.

I'm really enjoying this series, but it's very confusing!

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I think it was left ambiguous (about what happened to his sister) on purpose, around the same time as they introduce a third girl, as a red herring, just so we would make that connection.

Series 1 kept us guessing so much that now I'm suspicious of any connection I make!

Who is the random man Harry which episode was that in?

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Rewatched the scene where Baptiste and Stefan go to the museum to speak to the man Daniel said his father was making payments to. Museum man is first in the conversation I've written out, speaking to Baptiste.

"...Henry Reed made those payments out of guilt."

"Guilt? For what?"

"For what they did to my sister. She was only nine years old and this Henry Reed thinks that money will what? Make it better? Bring her to life? They killed my father..."

"Mr Barzarny, please, slow down, would you mind to tell me everything you know, from the beginning?"

"Okay. In 1991 I was just a boy, that's when they, they came to my village."

"Who?"

"Henry Reed...and his army friend. A man called Stone."

Cuts to Stone lying asleep on his sofa with Sam sat at the dining table watching him.

So, he doesn't specifically say they killed his sister. They did kill his father. The "bring her to life" could be someone who is dead but also someone who is so broken emotionally and mentally that it is as if they are dead. The 'she' could be his sister or his mother. If they took his sister that could have 'broken' the mother. Although he doesn't actually mention his mother so I don't know where I got that from in my previous posts.

The more you think about it, the more confusing it gets. Even if it turns out to be very straight forward, it's very clever, the way it makes you think.

I never saw series 1 but am totally loving this series. And love all the theories so far but ...

Could real Alice be in the campervan, living with Sophie as a couple. After all they had been through together this would be a huge bond.

3rd girl is the 'Alice' found in the shed. Maybe Sam is the father, or maybe that's a total fabrication to let the Websters think their daughter is dead.

One thing I can't get my head around - in present day, when Gemma sees her daughter on the roller coaster. She was so undramatic about it all. . In 2014 she is told Alice had died in the fire. Assuming from her understated reaction in 2016 she already knew that fake Alice did NOT die in the shed. Otherwise. When she saw the roller coaster photo, you'd think she'd be more OMG I was right, that wasn't Alice who returned but devastated that it was still her real daughter that did die.

But the scene read like she assumed real Alice was still alive - going to the fairground to see if someone remembered them, so something has happened in the 2years that makes me think Gemma knows the dead girl in the shed wasn't hers. And, is it me or did Eve Stone not seem all that interested when asking folks in the fairground. Maybe she knew it would be a waste of time because she knows more that she's letting on.

I actually like the switching between time frames we know that something happened in those 2 years and it's great for speculating. But I really have no clue.

I do think Aldi woman, Nadia, isn't a baddie but saw the baddies do bad things in Iraq, hence why they don't like her - stickler for the rules, whistleblowing? I'm hoping episode 1 is still on the player, I'm going to watch it back this afternoon.

Hello all. I'm really enjoying this series too. IMO, Iraqi girl was damaged in the war, so the money is guilt money. Although how would Sophie know the brigadier should burn in hell?
Alice was in the shed - I believe Sophie put her body in there so she could escape.
Waiting with baited breath...

I think that Nadia knows something about the Brigadier from her previous working life - there doesn't seem to be any love lost between them. And he seems to have been involved in setting up her husband. I wonder if the Brigadier was involved in her attack somehow?

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...... cos I haven't a fucking clue what's going on......

With ref to Nadia possibly being a whistleblowing non-baddie - didn't we see her have a conversation with Daniel where she mentioned her previous army reputation as a horrible, hard case, Rottweiler type?

I also noticed the man stride into shot outside the hospital. I assumed it was Matthew at first because we had seen Sam tell him to get out of the room, and Gemma seemed to look out of the window in a noticing something type of way, but then it was as though she was just looking at all the press waiting .

The first time I noticed Nadia was at Henry Reids funeral. She must've liked him/thought enough of him to go.

The end of the last episode when we saw Sophie with the new hair in Switzerland is in the present day as it focused on her jagged chopped hair, as in a quick chop to change her look.

Forgot about Daniel eyeballing Nadia at his father's funeral and when he went to her shop, what did he say? I remember she wasn't very nice to him and defensive about something.

Why would Sophie/fake Alice identify the butcher as the kidnapper? The description she gave did appear to match him but I'm convinced he's innocent. Fake Alice did it intentionally hence her sending him an apology via her brother. But why him? When did she see him to be able to describe him for the photofit?

Unless it was prearranged by someone that that was the description she'd give because they wanted to set the butcher up as revenge on Nadia for something.

I'm thinking too much into it now.

Cocnutty I thought that too when I saw him lying there he didn't look dead don't think we've seen the last of him

Had a thought whilst watching the trailer:

Why have we not considered the German Polizei at all, other than Lenhart. Thinking about my name theory (which I fully accept could be shite!) could he not be aware of a cover up there, and is going to have to be brave and whistleblow? The German head of investigation, maybe? He's a peripheral character, so maybe just the person?

Oh, I just thought of something - didn't the psychologist say to Sam that he couldn't go back to work yet 'because of what he did', but all we've seen him try to do was try to save his daughter, which isn't exactly surprising. So, what else did he do?

Time I liked your name analysis. They'll have definitely given them all those names for a reason. They've thought through every detail.

Ooh yes improv

How many episodes are there? I watch on iplayer and it doesn't say.

The next one will be the 5th of 8, Enid .