The Missing is back next week PART 2!

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Thread one here

So, Sophie Giroux returned pretending to be Alice Webster. DNA results on the body in the shed confirm she is related to Sam.

Baptiste has found out about Henry Reed and the Brigadier being involved with a 9 year old girl in Iraq in 1991. Henry Reed was paying this girls brother.

There are 3 girls in the rollercoaster photo, Sophie, Alice and possibly the girl from Iraq? She has that colouring.

Henry Reed apparently committed suicide although Julien told Daniel he didn't. Whatever Daniel found out about him made him sick.

Nadia has been badly beaten and her husband is still in prison after being identified by Sophie/Alice. Matthew was made to promise to say sorry to the butcher.

Sophie is now in Switzerland. As is the newly spray painted yellow campervan that abducted Alice. Gemma and Baptiste doubt the DNA results as they are still looking for answers 2 years after she returned.

Birds keep being mentioned. Sophie and Alice both had the Web tattoo on their wrists.

So looking at this simply,

Sophie returned, was maybe always the plan for her to go back after her op?

Gemma/Baptiste doubted that it was Alice.

Maybe Gemma accepted it was Alice when told DNA matched.

Now, she sees a photo & realises that it wasn't Alice who came back, wouldn't she then just disregard the DNA & assume that it was Sophie in the shed?

Of course she doesn't know that Sophie is still alive, but for us knowing that, it's plausible that it was Alice's body in the shed?

There being another girl doesn't mean that it wasn't Alice?

Re Eve's baby, when Sam was looking after Brig Stone, the Brig sees Sam looking at the scan pics & doesn't he then say something like "that hit her hard"?

Could a military woman be a surrogate?

Just parking my bum on this lovely new sparkly thread.

Most of my theories have been mentioned, including Eve's baby, i got quite cross when i watched it that (a) the suggestion that Matthew caused a stillbirth (which it would be at that stage), that was a step too far i thought.

But also that such a light shove would cause a stillbirth, i know everyone is different but i had a nasty fall when 7 month pregnant (fell off a small roundabout - was getting DS1 strapped in when the dickhead operator started the thing going, i fell off with a nasty bump right onto my bump and DS (then age 4) was so upset. I had a few pains but was generally OK.

As i say i know we are all different but i just found that implausible.

Once again - absolutely bloody loving this series!

OK it wasnt a 'light shove' but IMO not enough to lose the baby. So maybe she went into early labour? And the baby is around somewhere as a toddler...

Just recwatched episode one.

I now think eve was maybe a surrogate for her sister?

Rewatching the sex scene between eve and sam was horrible-no like there at all!

What happened to the guy that was following baptiste also? He hasn't been mentioned for a while.

Ok, still thinking Sam and Army lady possibly siblings that have found coach other, hence dna results and weird relationship.

Think army lady surrogate for sister (mentioned earlier, sorry, can't remember who posted). She made such a point re "no cafine" when asked if she wanted a cuppa- wouldn't you just say no thanks, or decafe or something. Just didn't seem a natural way of saying it....it was odd, like it wasn't her choice. Plus what someone said about Brigs comments in Ep 1.

Still wondering if girls ran away rather than were taken - either by grooming as someone said or own accord.

SophieAlice would've needed help getting that body into the shed! She'd just had her appendix out hadn't she? Highly unlikely to be lugging bodies about....and as for climbing out of windows!!!!

I feel the need to watch from the start again.....I'm coming up with so many theories maybe I should start writing crime stories, lol!

And my last point - don't dna tests take ages, ie weeks? Or is this a csi dna test that's done in minutes 🤔

I was wondering why the military woman would be written as a being surrogate. What the significance or clue to the rest of it would be and it got me thinking, maybe the girls were taken to be surrogates? There were a lot of scan pictures in the drawer for just one baby and when Stone said she always wanted a family he didn't specify who he was talking about.

Perhaps Daniel was a surrogate baby and his father was sending money to that guys family to pay for him. Guy in museum said 'they killed my mother' (?), she could've died from complications in labour. His sister would've been left motherless which is why he mentioned her.

Butcher couple don't appear to have children. Perhaps female butcher tried to buy one of the surrogate babies.

The dna matching Alice's father could be because he acted as a sperm donor. Or female Stone is in on it and lied.

Daniel's Dad could've been donor for fake Alice's baby which died and was secretly buried in Daniel's father's grave which is why she put flowers there.

Written down that all seems unlikely but just putting it out there because you never know.

Things I'm wondering about, how did fake Alice get out of the shed after being locked in?
Who put fake fake Alice's body in the burning shed?
Why were there so many scan photos?
Who is the father of female Stone's baby?
Why was Daniel's Dad sending money to museum man?
What happened to MM's sister?
Did the dna match or is she lying?
Why did fake Alice leave flowers on Daniel's Dad's grave?

"Things I'm wondering about, how did fake Alice get out of the shed after being locked in?"

I'm assuming whoever she is now with.

I did wonder if she might now be used as a way of getting young girls?

Also had the sperm donor thought as a way of it explaining the DNa if the body in the shed is the third girl.

But we don't know if the DNA matching was being lied about.

Why would they do a test then?

I get that they didn't at first as it was accepted that she was Alice, plus only with them for 4days.

So why wouldn't it just be assumed that the body was Alice, why the need to "prove" it?

To get people to stop looking?

By jove Enid Button- you could be on to something!!

I said many thousands of posts ago about a "baby market" type thing but the way you ever put it down, it actually does make an awful lot of sense.

Phew, reckon we've cracked it ladies....and breathe! Now, I am so far behind in work I may actua get some done now!

Well done Enid

We saw the abduction though, so it definitely wasn't voluntary.

I think there's something in the surrogate idea. It would explain what happened to the baby and Gemma's question.

Enid the first night "fake Alice" was locked in the shed we saw the key left in the padlock so anyone would be able to get in but she couldn't get out without help. So someone would have had to let her out but I doubt she could have moved a body on her own without a vehicle, especial in the middle of the day so she would need someone (the kidnapper? Another girl?) to help. I think the key is why didn't Sophie want to go home to her family? Returning to the place Alice was taken from giving details from her life etc to make everyone believe she was Alice. So perhaps the great Baptiste was right all along and Sophie's Dad was a wrong 'un but I don't think he is the one who has held her captive as he would know she was free and would presumably be trying to get her back rather than stacking shelves in the French version of B&Q.

I just need to repeat the genius post upthread

"Who the fuck is Alice"

Sorry but we need some light relief. It's all so bloody confusing.

A question for all you clever people:

Baptiste talks about a 'mistake' he made with Sophie's family which caused Sophie's mother to commit suicide. Was the mistake to wrongly accuse Sophie's father or is there more to it than that?

we know very little about Sophies family or anything that happened with her.

Dancer, wasn't it implied that Baptiest had thought Sophie father was somehow involved in the girls disappearance ? I assumed that was what pushed Sophie's mum to kill herself. But I'm probably wrong

That's what I thought , 123

Just rewatching the latest episode at at the beginning Eve says to Baptiste that SophieAlice's body will be tested to see if there's a familial match against the parents.
So why did they only match it against Sam?

Oh yes of course! The key was in the lock! Thank you. So obviously someone was involved in getting fake Alice out and putting fake fake Alice's body in the shed.

Oh hang on, fake fake Alice body must be real Alice! So no lying about dna because that body really was her. Which makes alive fake Alice almost certainly Sophie.

But then there's the mystery new girl from the fairground ride photo.

Also forgot about Daniel not believing his Dad's death was suicide. So if he's right, who killed him and why?

Are we right to assume it was the dodgy twins who beat up the butcher's wife? Maybe it was someone connected to Alice and Sophie's disappearance to keep her quiet. But then would she really sacrifice her husband's freedom and reputation by keeping quiet if she knew something.

Collie and Heston Thank you for the praise but hold on to it because I really don't think I'm right.

I'm enjoying it much more than the first series. This better not end with a flashback of Sophie and Alice going on a trip to the seaside with a groomer and Alice drowning or something equally ridiculous.

Ooh I'm loving this and have just watched the 4th one. My only thing to add as a midwife would be that if Eve had lost her baby there would be actual photos of her baby rather than scan pictures. The amount of bleeding could suggest a placental abruption, in which case the baby may have died. Equally the baby may as others have suggested be alive and well.

I don't want to believe Alice is dead but fake Alice is alive so unless she is an identical twin, she must be.

Have just seen the trailer again. At the beginning Baptiste says

"It's hard when you find out the ones you love are not the ones you thought they were"

So who's he talking about? I think he's talking to Gemma about Sam.

Gold star for Enid!!

I wonder if Gemma is not the biological parent of Alice but DM is? He had an affair and for some reason Gemma agreed to bring her up? Not sure where that takes us though.

It's all going to be completely straight forward isn't it? Ridiculously simple. And we're all going to wish one of the theories on this thread was actually played out instead.

Interesting idea about Gemma not being Alice's biological parent...

I had an idea about baby swapping before all this happened - perhaps the two girls got swapped at birth unbeknownst to the parents and that's why the DNA matches even though it's still not the Alice they knew but don't think they would work with ages/locations etc. And would make it even more mind-boggling!

Think everyone is going round in circles now - it was mentioned yesterday about the possibility of Sam being the only biological parent of the shed girl.ie she was Sam's but not Gemma's.

I agree that it's probably going to end up being a lot less complicated than we're thinking on here .