The Missing is back next week PART 2!

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Thread one here

So, Sophie Giroux returned pretending to be Alice Webster. DNA results on the body in the shed confirm she is related to Sam.

Baptiste has found out about Henry Reed and the Brigadier being involved with a 9 year old girl in Iraq in 1991. Henry Reed was paying this girls brother.

There are 3 girls in the rollercoaster photo, Sophie, Alice and possibly the girl from Iraq? She has that colouring.

Henry Reed apparently committed suicide although Julien told Daniel he didn't. Whatever Daniel found out about him made him sick.

Nadia has been badly beaten and her husband is still in prison after being identified by Sophie/Alice. Matthew was made to promise to say sorry to the butcher.

Sophie is now in Switzerland. As is the newly spray painted yellow campervan that abducted Alice. Gemma and Baptiste doubt the DNA results as they are still looking for answers 2 years after she returned.

Birds keep being mentioned. Sophie and Alice both had the Web tattoo on their wrists.

Still pondering - Reed's death a few days before Alice/Sophie's return has to be more than a coincidence. Did his death somehow allow her to return- she clearly knew him and knew he was dead hence visit to grave.
If Sam was in Iraq with Reed, Stone and the butcher's wife could she have somehow found out something and is that why she was taken?
If the Iraqi girl is that much older than Alice and Sophie could she have somehow been the one taking care of them - is that who Sophie is with now in Switzerland?
Lost babies are a recurring theme - Eve has lost one and so has Sophie. When Sam found the scan photos and the Brig was talking about how much "she" wanted a baby I wondered if he was in fact talking about Sophie. I think the fact that he now seems to be living in the past might be what helps to crack the case.
Does Eve suspect her father's involvement - another thing that strikes me is that it is the army who seem to be investigating (covering up?) something they are involved in. No wonder they don't want Baptiste around. The German policeman by contrast welcomes his input. Now the Brigadier is off the scene who is left in the army to continue the cover up?

What about the appendicitis? Fake Alice could hardly have planned for that or faked it, so it can't all have been some grand plan.

I agree the appendicitis must have been real, but maybe Reed's death meant she was allowed to seek help - especially after Alice had died of whatever had killed her?
Another question - do we know who the father of Eve's baby was? There is something very puzzling about that pregancy. A hugely pregnant army officer working into the 8th month of her pregnancy was fairly obvious to all, it was Matthew who possibly caused the miscarriage and yet in spite of all that Alice's mother appeared to have forgotten all about it during their conversation at the amusement park.

NotAlice was allowed to leave/chose to leave because of the appendicitis. The plan may well have been made because of that.

She could though have gone into hospital as a 'Jane Doe' and discharged herself or left when unattended before anyone had checked her identity. Everyone here has to have a health insurance card/company. Emergency surgery first but questions about insurance as soon as you're conscious.

Choosing to be Alice was deliberate.

What we don't know though is that the Swiss scenes are set in the present day. Usually the timelines are indicated, but this wasn't the case in Switzerland. Please correct me if I'm wrong!

Yes to those that love the pairing between Baptiste and German Police officer (who is in awe, as are we all!).

I wonder if it was deliberate.

First name she said was Sophie Giroux, and only after that it was assumed she was Alice.

Maybe she just went along with the assumption because she didn't want itp go back to her dad for whatever reason.

Reed died on the day Alice returned (perhaps he was either Muslim or Catholic, hence the hasty burial). I believe Baptiste when he says Reed was murdered, but I'm not sure about his belief that Alice is Sophie.

What intrigues me is Baptiste's home life. The bees have gone, he has a teenager in the house and his daughter from the last series is nowhere to be seen. I guess this will all be explained, especially in the last episode.

Wait, could the scenes in Baptiste's household have been before the the first series? Before his daughter went off the wall?

Must re watch the first episode.

Still, religion or not, a suicide always takes longer for burial.

Post-mortem, inquest, it takes time.
But that's nit picking on my side.

Elendon the first Swiss scene (Holiday Family, I-spy) was captioned as Present Day.

The second Swiss scene (FakeAlice in cafe) was not.

For what it is worth they are both set in summertime and filmed in the "warm" palette (not sure of technical term) which has been used throughout for Present Day.

Could anything mimic appendicitis that they could have faked it? Or could there be a surgeon in on the plan and its all faked?

Some thoughts on the names:

Webster

• 'she who spins a web' - hence the tattoo
• web of lies - we're fairly sure 'Alice' has lied about who she is and who abducted her, what else has she lied about (the rapes by her adductor?)
• also brings to my mind the song about the old woman who swallowed a fly - parrot and necklace = bird who was swallowed to catch the spider?, is the necklace of a swallow?
• who is sitting at the centre of the web controlling the stings?

Herz (butcher and wife)

• means 'heart'
• lots of hearts at the shop
• are they are the heart of the matter?
• are they the only ones who, despite seeming bad, actually have a heart?

Lenhart

• 'lionheart'
• again, a reference to heart, and also king of the beasts, a reference to him being brave about something?

Stone

• immovable, long lasting, will his survive despite the horrors in his past (if there are any)?
• ironic he's now being eroded by dementia
• a heart of stone?

Reed

• tall, strong, did the father stand tall against the winds of the brutality happening around him?

But the jurisdiction for deaths within a British Army camp might be different. It does seem strange though.

Another thing. Death of a person by fire will result in identification by dental records (I remember this from the awful fire in the disco in Ireland, the Stardust fire).

As for the comment re all the Germans speaking English, surely this is not at all surprising for a town with an English army base? I mean, they must get a lot of business from the soldiers so it would make sense for most people to at least be able to hold a conversation in the language.

Ok, what if Sophie is actually a baddie......could she have been luring girls in for her father (who I also don't trust). Brig is just a general baddie who was up to no good before the kidnappings.

We most definitely have to differentiate between general baddies, opportunistic baddies and the relevant, bad, baddies.

Sophie's dad seemed genuinely aggrieved though, when Baptiste went to visit him at the DIY store. He also said "I said if I saw you again I would knock your teeth out!" to Baptiste in the same episode as we saw Nadia Herz putting in her false teeth after having her own knocked out. The teeth are the smoking gun .

Also Lillian - you asked "Now the Brigadier is off the scene who is left in the army to continue the cover up?" I know I'm a stuck record, but again I give you Gettrick, the Scottish army press officer .

I hadn't really paid much attention to him, but when you think that in the first series of The Missing it ended up being a fairly peripheral character wot dunnit you may have a good point.

Good point re the teeth too, butit couldn't have been him who sent roundhishenchmen to knock out Nadia's teeth could it? I am slightly discounting him on the basis that he appears to work in in a DIY store outside Paris - peripheral character though, that might be enough to put him in the frame.

Wow Time I'm pretty impressed you noticed all that. You must have been really good at English literature at school!

Re Sophie's dad, we are being kept in the dark about important stuff I think. He said to Baptiste something along the lines of "you know what I was, and now I can only get a job stacking shelves".

Did he have a Very Important Job, and if so what, and is it relevant to Sophie's disappearance?

Lark that's a good point, military maybe?

In 2016, is Baptiste thinking that Alice is/might be alive?