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susiella · 21/09/2016 10:59

Started last night C4 9pm.
I thought it was good.
Excellent performances from Robbie Coltrane, Julie Walters & Tim McInnerny.

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Lottapianos · 14/10/2016 16:29

I don't think her being a drug addict means for sure that he did sexually abuse her. On the other hand, there were hints all the way through - she talked about a dream in episode 1 in which he was mildly sexually inappropriate with her and I honestly couldn't read his expression while he was listening to it. He may have sexually abused her but still believe he loves her. I don't know, but I found their interactions very unsettling

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 14/10/2016 16:54

Why so sarcastic Dame am I not entitled to my opinion because it differs from yours. No I wouldn't have liked him banged up - I'm not that naive. You clearly have more appreciation of the finer points of dramatic productions

I wasn't being sarcastic I thought we were discussing the ending and I was interested in what ending you'd have preferred.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 14/10/2016 16:56

Lotta- me too and perhaps her going off the rails was a result of her dad behaving inappropriately with girls/ young women through out her child hood? So not direct abuse but a reaction to an odd childhood all round.

Lottapianos · 14/10/2016 18:39

It certainly did look like a very odd and confusing childhood. I felt for her all the way through. The song and speech at her birthday party were grotesque and deeply insensitive

Helen1966 · 05/11/2016 22:07

My feeling at the end was that RC did rape the fan, but he did NOT rape the babysitter. I think he had sex with the babysitter.
When the fan came forward about her rape, the babysitter came forward too and said he had raped her too. But she tried to make money by selling her story.
Def not saying that sex with the sitter was ok, just that she encouraged and flirted with him.
I think daughter knew about her father's behaviour and this affected her deeply. I think the sitter played a small part in how daughter turned out. She encouraged her to smoke and spoke to her too openly about 'grown up' things.

Wadingthroughsoup · 06/11/2016 23:22

Helen The flashback in the final episode (plus previous scenes) suggested to me that the babysitter wanted sex with him. But as she was underage and he was that much older, it would be regarded as rape in the eyes of the law. He may have been guilty of grooming her, though I'm not sure that was portrayed.

The flashback scene to the sounds of the rape in the trailer was awful, and made worse by the partner listening to it outside. The actress who played that victim was brilliant- very powerful and emotive performance, I thought.

Like others, I got the impression that Marie slept with the partner mainly in the hope that it would help persuade him to speak out. She urged him to be honest in court about what he had heard when he was outside the trailer. That he then lied to protect his own reputation was just horrendous. He was quite likeable earlier in the series but he came out very badly at the end.

My impression of Dee and her problems was not that she herself had been abused; rather that she was a product of dysfunctional parents. A religious and emotionally cold mother who she didn't relate to; and a father who she was much closer to, and possibly hero-worshipped, but who was profoundly flawed. And she had witnessed what happened with the babysitter, which would have been very disturbing.

The babysitter bullied her- making her smoke, and mocking her when she got her period. Very odd dynamic between them.

Although Paul was not brought to justice for the rapes, I thought he got his worst nightmare of a punishment- losing Marie. Convincing the jury that he hadn't done it is one thing; but in the end he couldn't convince his wife, who knows him better than anybody. He looked terrified when he realised she'd gone. The party and all the back-slapping and congratulations became meaningless if she had gone, because despite his fucking awful behaviour over so many years, he really loved her, and knew he couldn't function without her.

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