GAME OF THRONES - S6E9 BATTLE OF THE BASTARDS 2AM ONWARDS SPOILERS/THEORIES ETC ENTER AT PERIL

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THIS THREAD IS FOR THE EPISODE TITLED BATTLE OF THE BASTARDS

FIRST UK SHOWING 2AM 20/6/16

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AND WHAT DO WE SAY TO THOSE WHO ASK IF SANSA IS MARRIED TO TYRION OR RAMSEY?

WE SAY THAT MIGHT RESOLVE ITSELF THIS WEEK!

WARNING THAT MANY OF US HAVE READ THE BOOKS AND DISCUSS PLOTS CHARACTERS AND BACKSTORIES THAT HAVE YET TO APPEAR/MAY NOT APPEAR IN THE SHOW

AND WHAT DO WE SAY TO THOSE WHO COME TO THIS THREAD THEN COMPLAIN THERE ARE SPOILERS???

WE SAY NOT TODAY!!!!

I believe Sansa's closest historical counterpart atm would probably be Lucrezia Borgia. Particularly the events of her 2nd marriage to Alfonso d'Aragon. Obviously, it's not a 100% with it not being driven by her father, but various other male figures after power. However, it is a better fit than the Elizabeth I parallel.

There's a bit too much shoe horning of characters there (by people who don't seem to know much about history - Cersei as Lady Grey indeed... )

Surely cersei is closer to cecily neville? I thought GoT had closer parallels to the war of the roses than the tudors

Tommen would be edward iv and Sansa Margaret Beaufort.

Yeah that's why I didn't post it BECAUSE IT'S SOOO WRONG

Oh yes liking the Margaret Beaufort one. Tbh Sansa's probably a composite of a few mentioned here and others more obscure. As many of the characters or groups of people are. GRR Martin didn't just draw from British history, he took his inspiration from the whole world. That's what makes trying to find those inspirations along each main characters story arc fun.

Question: why have the Freys not reacted to the death of Lady Bolton and her son?

Question: why have the Freys not reacted to the death of Lady Bolton and her son?

Probably don't know yet. I doubt Ramsay would have sent a Raven to Walder and say congratulations on your new grandson. He and his mother made excellent dog chow. Hope you are well!

That may be resolved in the last episode. In the preview, there's another celebration in the same hall as the red wedding. Walder Frey raises a toast stating the Freys and Lannisters send their regards.
With the Boltons now dead the only other people Walder can blame for the slight against his honour are the Lannisters, who put them in power. It's possible Walder tries to stage similar events here, except he will fail as the Lannister army is better trained and equipped.

Its also possible they don't know and are just celebrating the victory against the Blackfish or they've decided she died in the battle to retake Winterfell and are ready to lay siege to Winterfell.

Hmmm, I guess

Question: how did Jorah get greyscale, and how did Shireen get cured of it?

Jorah for greyscale when he kidnapped Tyrion trying to get back in the Danys good book. They was on that boat and got attacked by those rabid men. They were greyscale men. Don't know how Shireen got cured. Stannis mentioned he had searched the kingdom for every cure so obviously found one. As far as I know, she's the only one to be cured

Jorah got Greyscale on his way back to Dany after having been banished. He had captured Tyrion who'd not long landed with Varys and was taking him to her as a gift. They spent most of the journey following a river and on the way passed a quarantined area where people who had contracted greyscale lived. A group of them attacked and one of them touched him.

No one knows how Shireen was cured. So many things were tried that no one knows if it was any one thing or an interaction between a few of them.

Thanks!

I'm going back and watching this season again: the first time through I hadn't watched any of the previous seasons, so missed a lot of the importance of various things

The current one? I think greyscale was the season before if you want to rewatch that part

You've made me sad about Shireen again.

That scene did actually horrify me. There were plenty of questionable ones that left me uncomfortable but despite knowing it was fake, it really did chill me to watch it

Children can survive greyscale, but Ygritte said that the freefolk puts children with greyscale out to die, because they are unclean and it is kinder to let them die .

Stannis told Shireen that he'd bought a doll from a travelling salesman and she'd slept with it clutched to her cheek. It was infected with greyscale.

He said he'd explored all sorts of remedies and something had worked. I think that was the scene where he said how much he loved her and she said she would do anything for him in turn. Looking back, he may have been asking her to say that.

In GoT I don't mind things like the murder of Shireen, or of Robert's children, including the baby in the brothel, or the burning of the shepherd's daughter by Drogon.

If they only killed people who deserved it, or adults, I think that would be more distressing because it would be pulling punches. People in GoT die in horrible ways. Most of them don't deserve it no matter who they are.

There are a lot of children dying in cruel and unusual ways though!
I guess grayscale is like chicken pox or something, okay to catch when you're young (usually) though it might leave you scarred, but not good to catch as an adult.
I think as a PP said it will just lead to Jorah sacrificing himself in some way,

Jorah jumped overboard to save Tyrion - who was pulled into the water by the infected grey men - presumably by his clothes. He did not tell Tyrion he had been touched on his skin. So in a way he has already sacrificed his health for someone. Am I right in remembering it was a different character 9was it Griff?) touched in a similar scene in the book, not Jorah?
There is talk that children (only) can survive greyscale. I think one of Gillys sister had it.
I wonder if Jorah will go back to Westeross, or indeed if we will see him again? Effectively Jon has the Mormont family sword, so I wonder if it will get back into Mormont hands. Maybe Valarian steel is a cure!

I remember that bit now

There are a few instances where a simple touch is important: the greyscale; the Night King touching Bran; there's a theory that all the Starks touched by Robert Baratheon when he visited Winterfell were all doomed...

Explain more about the Mormont sword, maggiso?

Olenna I have never heard the Bobby B death-touch theory. Sounds like a great theory.

Oleanna pretty simple Jeor Mormont gave Jon Snow his sword, he shouldn't have really it's the family sword, called Longclaw. The important part being that its good old Valyrian steel

Bobby B

It was a Reddit theory but is being repeated more widely - here, for eg

When did Jeor give Jon the sword? And is that a bear on the end of then? (I thought it was a wolf!!)