Lassies of Lallybroch - SPOILERS

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New thread to discuss both the TV series of Outlander and the books by Diana Gabaldon. Discussion of spoilers allowed, if not positively encouraged.

lessstressed I loved the calling too! And I agree with you re lusting after Jamie in his 50s.

Can anyone explain the beginning of the episode to me. Roger is in a room full of children, watching The Avengers. Fiona comes in and asks him to say goodbye to the guests at the funeral. Why were the children there? Were they meant to be related to the mourners? Did children go to funerals in the 1960's. Very odd.

It was an odd scene Sunny, but I really liked it.

Meant to add - I don't really know what it means, but I loved that they chose to introduce Roger that way, as a bit of a loner, but very sweet and genuine

I liked the hump in the dirt too. Didn't they do it twice in the books ? That whole scene at the stones was full of everything that's been missing from this season (and I'm not just talking about the shagging). It's actually got me excited for S3, in a way that none of the episodes previously had.

Much as I hate to say it, I think most of this series has been a bit of a damp squib. Lots of promise but no fulfilment.

In the book, they spend the night in a tumble down croft and shag all night. Then they have a quick, desperate one against the wall while the redcoats are approaching. Every time I read it I cry buckets. He loves her so !much but is trying so hard to do what he thinks is right.

I think this series has been v. different from the last because DIA is a very different book from Cross Stitch. Much darker a d more strained with a sort of sense of doom hanging over everything. Their time in France was difficult for them and full of despair and they came back to Scotland broken, only to be plunged into a rising that they knew was doomed from the start. in the books there is none of the stuff about Claire having PTSD, it's just awful, desperate stuff tied up with Prince Charles.

I think this series needed one or more episodes more. I feel it kept getting better and better and the last third would have needed more time.

i meant to add that I loved the way CB played Claire in 1968. I had the sense she felt literally caged - so stiff and elegant and reserved, such a stark contrast to her wild highlands days. Beautiful way to convey how she locked her true self away for 20 years.

Still loved it...agree with Hip and Aka about the parting scene at the stones ...brilliant.

Looked at the books in WHSmiths today I have them on my kindle aren't they huge? Picked up one the latest Jamie comes back from the dead and they're on the American civil war hmm.....not sure about that.

They are bloody huge Dry. I'm reading TFC and it is difficult to hold sometimes. I have to prop it on something if I read it for too long.

The last book is still quite good. Jamie doesn't really come back from the dead. He just missed his boat home from Scotland. Said boat sank with all hands and folk just assumed that he was dead. He was actually just on another ship. It's full of stupidity and mayhem and he can still have at it several times a night!

Drywhite Not the American Civil War, the American Revolution. Although I am sure that George III, et al considered it a civil war.

Watched the last ep last night expecting to just be bawling through and was a bit disappointed with the end. The book just makes me sob but the ending in the show just lacked that desperate last bit of time together. The shag was all and well and the part where he's walking her back to the stone and pressing her hand was good. I think if we saw a replay of the part where she returns it would really bring it all full circle (and be detestating). I had hoped we'd see her freak out over her spousal headstone with her name next to Jamie's, but that was taken out. Also the initials. Yeah just too many really moving parts from the book that were omitted that really made the story for what it is. Disappointed

getting on well with my Outlander marathon. Started season 1 on Sunday, nearly done. Will keep you all posted about whether s2 is better binged. really enjoying myself....... Then I'm going to start Voyager again, and read it properly.
Can't wait forS3.

I'm about to binge on the last 4 episodes of s2, which I've been saving up for today, which is the first day in bloody forever I've had the house to myself

Much as I have loved the first 2 series, I can't get interested in a third.
I read Cross stitch and dragonfly back in late 90s and started the third, but I don't think I ever finished it.
The best bits are when J and C are together.
Third series will be all flashbacks of twenty years apart, or else - eventually - meeting up and their life as a couple nearing 50. (which in 18th century was seriously getting on a bit)

I've no objection to middle aged shagging (I'm even older!) but I don't want to see SH and CB in bad makeup and painted on grey hair

Oh, I don't know. I think Sam would look quite fetching with some silver flashes amongst the red. In the books, though, they appear to age really. There's a bit where Claire is 53 or so and Lord John reckons that she must be about 40 but only has a very fine tracery of lines at the corners of her eyes to show for it. There are repeated comments as well about how noone would take Jamie for a middle aged man. So perhaps the make up won't be too bad
He has no grey hair at all when Claire goes back and it only shows up in his beard on Hispaniola. I'm actually looking forward to them aging Sam a little, it'll make my crush less creepy!

Clearly that should say that they age really well I so suck at typing on a touch screen.

I'm actually looking forward to them aging Sam a little, it'll make my crush less creepy!

Pah! I just get round that by thinking that he's actually 35 (?) in real life. And actors usually say they're younger than they are, so add 5 years and bosh! We're the same age

I think Brianna's going to get on my nerves

But she did a bit in the books anyway, so meh.

I really really loved the skipping back and forth between eras! I so wish they'd done more of that this season.

That's what I do, Hippo, but 35 is still too young for me. A 15 year age gap is just a bit much, I think. Oh wait, he's 36 now, so it's only 14 years, is that a bit more acceptable?

Interestingly, I'm sure somewhere in the books they give their actual ages, but I always inagined a bigger age gap between J and C.
I'd assumed that by 1945 /6 Claire would be around 30 (since she got married before the War), and that Jamie was 19 or 20 (remember that the lad was a virgin on his wedding night).
The outlander Wiki has the age gap between them as only about 3 or 4 years

In the beginning, Claire is 27 and Jamie is 22. So a 5 year age gap. When she goes back, she is 49 and he is 44. She got married to Frank very young, about 19, I think.

Yes, it's a 4-5 year age gap. Jamie thinks she's younger until she tells him otherwise. There are references in some of the books to Claire looking younger because of differences in 18th and 20th century health care and nutrition.

I'm with Hiphop and Less . I think they chose actors who are quite ageless. Both act younger really well in S1. They seem to have matured already a bit inS2. I doubt we will get hideous make up and grey hair.