GAME OF THRONES - S6 E3 - SPOILERS AND FAN THEORY DISCUSSIONS WARNING 2am Showing Onwards!!!

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I'm wondering about Osha - why has she been delivered to Ramsey along with Rickon? She was Rickon's protector but surely the Umbers (if they truely are an enemy) and Boltons would only regard her as a Wildling nobody and disposed of her long ago?

I'm worried for Rickon!

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That's a good point gingercat
Or maybe he has the head of grey wind!
In the book she can't be identified as the Mountain because they promised to deliver his head to the Martells for Elia and the children.
Which obviously doesn't need to happen on the show.
What with them killing them and all...

Also, muggy the frogs prophecy to Cersei, in the show, did say the words 'gold will be their crowns, and gold their shrouds' did it not?
That now makes no sense seeing as they scrapped to Dornish plot of crowning Myrcella!!

Muggy the frog! Heheh

I thought the gold crowns was their golden hair.

The hope is that Osha's still alive because it's a pure ruse.

We'll know next week I guess.

osha will be ruling Umber by now ...

I also assumed gold crowns > gold hair > what with them all being 100% lannister n'all...

Anybody read this?

www.buzzfeed.com/jennaguillaume/i-wish-this-were-true?utm_term=.re5wM5AAqe&bffb#.gajzdrWWG0

maybe it's been discussed before but I've not been convinced at all so far by Jon Snow's being brought back from the dead. Lady Alessandra took about five minutes to do it , surely if it's that easy why wouldn't they always bring people back from the dead, in fact, it sort of ruins the threat of dying really..for me anyway

He's been raised from the dead, just like the other fella got brought back when he was killed by The Hound. In the books he was brought back multiple times but each time forgot more and more about his old life.

Here's my slightly rogue theory of what the show might to with regards Ramsay and Rickon (dreamt up in the shower, probably bollocks).

Yesterday's episode - inkeeping with its title of 'Oathbreaker' - had an underlying theme of betrayal / allegiance shifting/ conspiracy etc. Examples include:

• the High Sparrow clearly seeking to indoctrinate Tommen to 'turn' him towards the Faith Militant
• Varys recruitment of the brothel woman from Meereen to reveal the secrets of the Sons of the Harpy
• Qyburn's recruitment of the children to be his own 'Little Birds'
• The grisly fate of Olly due to his betrayal of Jon Snow
• The Umbers' betrayal of the Starks by turning in Rickon to Ramsay

I wonder if this theme might signpost what is going to happen to Rickon?

Ramsay is obviously a sadist, but as demonstrated by Theon's 'fake escape' he also enjoys mental as well as physical torture. I don't think that the writers of the GoT show will simply have Ramsay torture Rickon as I think it would a) be lazy and boring and b) the onscreen torture of a child would be unpalatable. So one possibility is that Ramsay may actually be very kind to Rickon, portray himself as some sort of substitute father figure / mentor with the intent of turning his loyalties from his family and to Ramsay and House Bolton. Think Star Wars Emperor Palpatine turning Anakin Skywalker to the Dark Side and eventually into Darth Vader.

In the books a very young Rickon is portrayed as the slightly more 'wild' of the Starks. He has also been through a hell of a lot in his young life. You could see how he might respond to someone being kind to him and be vulnerable to this sort of 'grooming' by Ramsay.

In honesty it would probably make more sense for Ramsay to simply use Rickon as bait / a bargaining chip. But we know (to Roose's previous frustration) that Ramsay is impulsive and sometimes puts his desires ahead of his strategic best interests. His creation of 'Reek' also shows he enjoys the idea of changing / controlling people. And he knows that having Rickon on side would be a psychological dagger to the heart of the remaining Starks, as well as possibly useful in rallying banners to House Bolton's cause.

I think the above would be quite an interesting plotline to see unfold. But it's GoT - Ramsay will probably just end up ending up flaying Rickon and burning him on that cross...

Sandsnake It would make interesting viewing and would make sense, so probably not gonna happen.

Degustibusnonestdisputandem Thanks for the link. I am afraid it made me think Rickon is for the chop.

Sandsnake's idea could tempt Sansa to go back, which might be what Ramsay wants. But instead of Sansa, Jon would arrive with the wildlings. I am dreaming, clearly.

Whats the cross picture? Is there any chance that its ramsey?

I suspect that Danys of all the characters will be there at the end. She's important to the plot but too important for any harm to come to her. As a result, she is going to spend her time being transported from place to place, encountering low-level peril as opposed to serious harm because she has to be present and regal in every series but nothing much can happen to her.
I also think she is collecting allies so she has a following in all of the kingdoms.

Even the books have been basically placemarking with Dany for quite some time.

The burning crosses featured in the S6 trailer and it's how House Bolton kills people so it doesn't bode well.

I do think as good at being evil as Iwan Rheon has been, this series ought to be his last and Ramsey should go painfully.

I found Qyburn very sinister.

How many people know Rickon is even alive though? I know Ramsay does as Theon told him, and obviously the Umbers must have to capture him, but I thought that the general consensus was he was killed with Bran by Theon for fleeing winterfell?

This being the case, I wonder how many people will believe Rickon is actually Rickon and whether he could therefore use him as a bargaining tool.

I do hope we see a bit more depth to Ramsay though. I find it odd that in the books he seems a relatively minor character but he's shaping up to be one of the main ones this series - although of course we are ahead of the books now.

The Tyrion/Varys/Danerys thing is getting a bit boring now, too.

I seem to recall a rather exciting scene in E2 in which Tyrion released the two dragons - well WTF HAPPENED TO THEM?! Did they just flutter off and not bother anyone ever again? Or have I missed a bit?

Here's my guess!! The Umbers have turned over Rickon, but it's all a big ruse to take over Winterfell and put the Starks back in charge. This is my hope anyway!

I'm sorry but I don't think it's a ruse. If it was, then it's a shit one. What can osha and rickon do from inside the cells at winterfell? And direwolves are very rare south of the wall, no way could they find a random one running around. No, either Sansa or Jon (or both?) will rescue him with a mustered northern army.

Sam knows Rickon and Bran are alive, he met them at the abandoned NW tower when he brought Gilly back to Castle Black, plus he told Jon.
The Umbers didn't capture Rickon and Osha as such - they deliberately headed for The last hearth as a place of safety.

Can someone give me a plot update please! Arya- I can't remember why she wanted to go to the temple of the many faced gods (??). I have it in my head she wanted to be able to change faces to exact her revenge but she can't do it until she doesn't want revenge? Too long since I read the books and I don't think it's been very well explained in the show. Dp is pretty much completely lost now!

Can't remember now, but she was on her way to Castle Black but didn't go for some reason - was she told Jon was dead?. Another near Stark reunion!
I want to see Benjen Stark appear at the wall if Ramsay ventures up there. I think it's wishful thinking though.....