Happy Valley is back soon!

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Just saw the trailer for a new series of this - can't wait!

Yeah - I'm hoping for something better than the final 15 minutes of Shetland which encompassed at least a third of the plot!

As much as I thought the first series was violent, it was refreshing to see it presented in a cold way. And there was no getting up afterwards and just walking away physically untouched. I can't stand seeing people fighting on screen for them to then pop up 2 minutes later like nothing had happened!

Yeah, the violent scenes in the last series were shocking - I found them quite heart-stopping, they were very real, not schlock horror violence.

When the farmer man - Daryl - is confessing to his mother on her bedroom, she says "Have you hurt someone?" and they establish he didn't hurt someone with his car. She then asks "Is it to do with those women?" and he never actually outright says yes. I don't think Daryl killed them. I think he's done something else.

• in her bedroom

Just seen a trailer for the full series and in one very short scene of the trailer, Tommy is smashing up his cell. I don't think that bit has happened yet? So in the finale he is going to be in a rage wets self.

I agree a longer run would be better, like they do in the states, but I guess it's a money thing.

I thought Anne's drunken vomiting at the start was excellent and very realistic - loud, messy, ugly. Been there many times

I'm still confused about what the human trafficking story has to do with anything and getting confused by the constant talk about the Knezovics, but not seeing hide or hair of any of them for the whole series. I think series 1 was much more focused, I feel like series 2 has at least one too many subplots going on.

A friend of mine is watching it without seeing series one.

I was trying to explain to her why she must get hold of it. I don't think this series truly portrays how much of a complete psychopath TLR actually is.

Series 2 is definitely a slightly more watered down version, still good but last night was the first time I was

He might have agreed to go on the run is he thought he had done something bad

But he has done something bad - he admitted to it, firstly in the bedroom scene and then in the scene in the kitchen. He was also sure he would go to prison if his mum couldn't think of a plan to keep him out (before he agrees to go on the run). To me there's so little ambiguity it just has to have been Daryl.

My perception of John being like he was with his wife when he went back to the house was that he was on a kind of high after the bloke in custody had been charged with the murder he committed. Like a relief/release of all his stress.

The one thing I did think was that his wife obviously suspects he was shagging someone else even though she was having her own affair. When he was taunting his wife saying who am I supposed to he having an affair with, I was thinking the last thing he needs is his wife trying to dig the dirt on him and uncovering who he was shagging.

Like some people have said if this was 10 episodes long a lot more could be done with the characters and storylines.

Loving all your theories about the murderer etc. I think it was Daryl but there will be some sort of twist. Funny how she cooked his breakfast and he tucked in with seemingly no worries, chatting about Vegas and Florida. And goodness the blood splattered window in the final scene?!

Not sure about the trafficking storyline, as pp said maybe just to get her sleeping in the conservatory?

Yes John speaking to his wife like that in front of the kids, there are 3 screwed up future adults after listening to that!

Cannot wait for next week but agree, series far too short!

As an aside, doesn't Daniel have a newborn baby, so Catherine has a new grandchild? Is nobody seeing this baby ever?! I know, totally irrelevant but I ponder these things!

I got the impression that Tommy didn't rape Catherine's daughter. It was a consensual but not-very-good relationship that resulted in the birth of Ryan.

I'm not saying that Tommy is a nice person - far from it. But I think Catherine needs to believe that her daughter was raped by him and killed herself as a result after giving birth to Ryan. I don't think she can contemplate any other reason for her daughter taking her own life.

Catherine tries, but she is not a wholly nice person. I got that impression when Ann was drunkenly rambling about Catherine being God. In between puking

Limited I agree and I think Daniel said as much in the first series but Catherine wouldn't have any of it.

Don't forget that TLR forced Ann to eat heroin as well as repeatedly raping her.

I was all for catherine setting fire to him at the finale of series 1, as he was demanding her to do. If anyone deserves a painful slow death it is that creep.

I was wondering about the baby too.

I'm glad I wasn't the only one to notice the blood spatter in the final scene. It was really subtle, though.

Daryl didn't quite confess to the murders, did he? It was his mother who suggested it and he agreed to "hurting them" as far as I can see. And he didn't see bothered until a car like his was seen jn the area and he was worried about dna. He doesn't seem savvy enough to have covered the killings up to me.

DD has a theory that Neil, in his capacity as a supermarket worker, has a connection with the "biscuit factory" mentioned in relation to the girls. I think he must be connected somehow.

And I reckon Nevison is connected too, and maybe Anne, whom I can't see the point of.

I think Ryan's birth is the reason why Catherine was so keen to make sure Ann took the morning after pill after her drunken shag

I thought farmer man and woman were married too.

I never spot the culprit in these programmes, but I'm loving it. Brilliant writing and acting. I just wish I could hear what they're saying!

Of course it was Daryl.

The penultimate episode has identified him to us the viewers but the coppers still have to make the connection next week after his Mum confesses and they then nail John.

I'd be interested to know how (if indeed they do) nail John for Vicky's murder. The police seem to be slow in differentiating that murder from the others. And the fjnal murder-do we know the modus operandi? All I picked up on was that there was another murder. It's so easy to miss small details though, as there's so much crammed in to each episode.

Can't wait for next Tues. What'll we all do with ourselves once this is over?

Nevison and his lovely daughter are on the side of the angels. And they don't need any more stress; they've both suffered quite enough.

As I probably said before (can't remember) the structure of the script (beginning with the sheep) tells us Daryl and his Ma are right at the centre of the plot - the writer did something similar in the first series ... Was it something to do with a small altercation in a children's playground? Later turned around into something major and horrific that I've now forgotten. But Neil. Neil ...

Perhaps they'll do a "Line of Duty" crossover and John will get away with it?