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Happy Valley is back soon!

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ILikeToClean · 21/01/2016 14:17

Just saw the trailer for a new series of this - can't wait! Smile

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SoupDragon · 09/03/2016 08:03

It's pretty shit if the poor sound means a whole chunk of people have no idea whether he confessed to murdering them or not!

He might have agreed to go on the run is he thought he had done something bad.

The sound has ruined it for me which is a shame.

Gruach · 09/03/2016 08:11

I thought Daryl's "confession" was very deliberately written to be ambiguous? (So it wouldn't matter how clearly one could hear it.)

We've seen that he had "social problems" - but we don't know him well enough to be able to fathom exactly what he would consider bad enough to be worth waking his mother up to talk about.

It's very clever - we'll have to spend the whole week not knowing!

Savagebeauty · 09/03/2016 08:25

The actor pigeonpoo
She was in Trainspotting way back, and Harry Potter ( which I've never seen)

Savagebeauty · 09/03/2016 08:26

I actually had a moment last night when I thought Ann might have feelings for Catherine.

TheFridgePickersKnickers · 09/03/2016 08:30

The sound throughout this whole series has been terrible. I have my TV turned up much louder for happy valley than anything else.
We were chatting about the sound a few weeks back at the shop I help out in and lots of people joined in saying the same.

pigeonpoo · 09/03/2016 09:07

Idk why they didn't troubleshoot the sound before it going out as everyone said the same last series

I personally don't find the mumbling too hard as I'm familiar with the accents but can see why it would be hard

Milzilla · 09/03/2016 09:18

Re the sound - I watched on my iPhone and sound was fine. Will stick with that rather than TV after reading a your comments. Such a shame they haven't sorted it :(

Anonymum40 · 09/03/2016 09:28

OK, new theory. Farmer mum is actually guilty of killing the prostitutes - they said the attacker could have been a woman... She's obviously got something to hide or she wouldn't have killed the son and someone in their right mind doesn't decide to off their son only hours after his confession.

She's also very young to be his mum so maybe she was a victim of rape and has a grudge...??

Chippednailvarnish · 09/03/2016 09:31

I have impaired hearing, the subtitles are a godsend!

BitOutOfPractice · 09/03/2016 09:41

I have the subtitles on too. I love it when it says "going t'pub" and the like

pigeonpoo · 09/03/2016 09:48

I like your theory anonymum

Pebble21uk · 09/03/2016 09:59

I was waiting for two gunshots too!

It's just occurred to me that with the gunshot being off screen - Farmer Mum could have turned the gun on herself at the last minute.

Unlikely, because it fits that she's killed Daryl only for it to be revealed that it wasn't him... but then you never know with Happy Valley - I wouldn't put anything past them!

pigeonpoo · 09/03/2016 10:09

Darryl could have felt it on the back of his neck and turned round and shot mum too - and still be the killer but with an extra happy valley twist

TheFridgePickersKnickers · 09/03/2016 10:26

Who did Ann shag? ?

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MissTurnstiles · 09/03/2016 10:36

I think that shotgun was too long for her to have shot herself with it, no?

That final whole scene was an excellent homage to the ending of Of Mice and Men - the odd man who is too dangerous to be kept alive, and who is distracted with fantasies of a better life while his companion and protector shoots him in the back of the head.

I am feeling very dim - until he woke her up calling her 'mum', I thought they were husband and wife. I must have missed something along the way...

pigeonpoo · 09/03/2016 10:40

No I thought that too turnstiles, I actually still thought they had an incestuous relationship when he called her mum

Added with her saying they'd led a funny life

MissTurnstiles · 09/03/2016 10:47

Glad it's not just me, pigeon!

Just looked on IMDb. Susan Lynch is 44 and Robert Emms (Daryl) is 29.

LatinForTelly · 09/03/2016 11:00

I found that last scene very upsetting. It was Lars von Trier-esque. The son was so very vulnerable and the protective bond between mother and son beautifully and agonisingly drawn. The fact that you can still love and protect someone who has done monstrous things.

This series is so dark, I'm not sure I've got the guts for another one.

I agree about Ryan - that they could explain in an age-appropriate way why they hate TLR. Just saying no, he's not your dad, is not going to satisfy a 10 year old is it?

Sarah Lancashire and Claire are fantastic. I could watch a whole hour just of them pottering about together and their dialogue (in fact I'd probably prefer it!)

Pebble21uk · 09/03/2016 11:06

Haven't they said to Ryan that TLR has hurt his grandmother (Catherine)... not a full explanation, but I think they have explained why he's a 'bad' man.

Chippednailvarnish · 09/03/2016 11:14

Is anyone else finding Ryan's susceptibility a bit unbelievable? Or do I have the world's most cynical and nosey 8 year old? Grin

drspouse · 09/03/2016 11:19

We're generally advised to start telling anything that isn't fluffy bunnies by about school starting age, and to have told it ALL in age appropriate ways before puberty (though some suggest that anything along the lines of difficult origins - rape, incest, sex work etc. is kept for a little bit later but hinted at e.g. on one course I went on it was suggested in such circumstances you should be telling the child that e.g. their birth father hurt their birth mother, or that their birth mother wasn't sure who was their birth father, and leave the exact circumstances till a bit later).

So in Ryan's case they should have been telling him from very early on that his mother died after he was born and it was because she was very ill (depression being an illness) and sometimes mums get very ill after babies are born (postnatal depression being very common) and then later adding in that they get so sad they don't realise how much their babies will miss them when they are gone. And they should have been telling him both what his uncle said about them not really being boyfriend and girlfriend, and about TLR pretending he liked Ryan's mum, and then adding in that TLR hurt his mum both by being mean to her and pretending he liked her, and also that he hurt her physically.

And he is now of an age where they can say that sometimes men hurt women by forcing them to have sex, and that's how TLR hurt his mum, and that his mum was just so so sad after all this happened, and she got so sick that she couldn't see how to take care of Ryan, so she killed herself but she knew that Catherine and Claire and Ryan's uncle would take such good care of him.

We are also usually advised to say that some of the things that people do to hurt others are because they were hurt themselves as a child, and that none of this is the child's fault, that they should be taken care of by adults, it's not up to them to take care of adults. Even when thinking back to themselves as babies, some children think if they were a "better" baby their parents would have stuck around etc.

(Sorry for the lesson...)

drspouse · 09/03/2016 11:20

Chipped in a family where things are not talked about and body language shuts down when a topic is mentioned, children stop asking questions. See my massive cross post! The other thing we're advised is that you have to keep talking about these things even when children don't ask questions or bring them up.

drspouse · 09/03/2016 11:21

Pebble he's a bad man for many other reasons... hurting the grandmother came much later...

polyhymnia · 09/03/2016 11:22

Re Shirley Henderson character I think she's playing someone a bit younger but have no problem/ surprise with that being what a 50 year old woman looks like nowadays ( and I'm older than that).