Homeland Season 5 Trailer!! **No spoilers for UK viewers please!** Title edited by MNHQ

[Hassled]

Here - scroll down a bit.

There's Quinn. There's Saul. There's the old bag-over-the-head routine. It's in Berlin. I am ridiculously excited.

Yelped. I yelped twice.

Im very confused. End of last season there had been, what I interpretted as, a double cross of some description by saul and dal. It was all a bit weird. I forget it all exactly but how has it led to where they all are now?

Dammit I kept nodding off! Anyone able to summarise?

Right, so it's 2 or 3 years on. Carrie has left the CIA and is now living in Berlin with her daughter and Hot Lawyer. Her and lawyer work for the foundation of a billionaire (?). Some hackers have hacked into the CIA and got some documents, and leaked moment the foundation, where a woman who doesn't get on with Carrie is going to publish it on the website (?).

The billionaire wants to go to Lebanon, so he can donate, and get others to, monies to help the refugee camps. He needs Hezbollah permission (and Carrie to accompany as she is his head of security ), and Carrie got kidnapped and roughed up a bit getting the permission. But she got it .

Surly Dar made a deal with Baddie Afghan not to host/support/something equally unbelievable and the US would take him off their "bomb me now" list.

Saul didn't know about the deal, Washington politics and him being maybe nearly dead stuff.

So Dar's now King of the Castle - that must be why Saul didn't become CIA head. Though after loopy guy opened the door to the terrorists in the embassy and Saul saved the day last series, I thought he was a hero and they wanted him to take over.

The US were doing the spying for the Germans which they couldn't do themselves (privacy laws?), and that's been blown by Strip Club Lads (and whose side are they on?). Germans have said Nein, Saul is carrying on regardless and getting Quinn to do the actual blowing up of terrorists. Is that about right? And what's the Shadowy Foundation all about? Is journalist woman part of the Foundation? Is Brodie Substitute Man part of the Shadowy Foundation?

Quinn has been on black ops in Syria for 28 months. Now he is in Berlin (?) where he climbed up a building and intercepted a bomb maker and blew him up with his bomb. We then learn that he is still an assassin, killing whoever Saul tells him to, and not concerns himself with morality.

Salieri is head of CIA (?) but Saul still there. And he popped to Berlin because of the hack, and met with the station chief there who has nice hair and I think they have History. Saul and carrie seemingly not be sties and he doesn't like the billionaire.

What was Saul's reference to Carrie scuppering his CIA-chief bid - am I right in thinking there was some sort of allusion to that?

The "I'm posting it" woman must be part of the foundation cos I don't think a journalist would go to the office of billionaire man as she did.

Plus Eowyn said the CIA/US had had problems and/or anticipated more re revelations (black sites) from the Foundation.

There was a comment about Saul not getting the Head Of CIA but I didn't get it. Something about "tanked" and that Saul was still pissed (off) and he said not otherwise she'd not have her clearance or her current job.

I'm a bit baffled by the motives of Strip Club Lads. They uploaded a mocking video to a Jihadi site, but then saw an opportunity to download the CIA stuff and took it - and then gave the files to "I'm posting it" woman. Wouldn't they have realised that wasn't going to help their anti-jihadi cause? Or am I being thick?

Hmm, bit slow but then the first episodes always are!

Quinn....mmmm :drools:

I don't want Carrie to get sucked back in to that deep and dark world :cries:

Posting it woman def works at Foundation, but not sure as what. Carrie's chap is the legal counsel there.

Are Strip Club lads just truth- seekers or agitators maybe, not allied to any one side?

Blimey. I think I need to rewatch. Whose flat was Quinn in, making the bomb?

I've been very self-disciplined and not read this WSJ article until now - it's interesting on levels of accuracy etc.

Found you. Loved tonight's episode.

Highlight for me is co-sleeping with toddler (and hot new DP, by-the-by) being on TV!

Saul is too thin. Less trustworthy.
Quinn has a stylish jacket but is too thin and murderous.
Carrie's redhead DP is sexier than Brody by a country mile.

Duckdeamon I said exactly the same thing to my dh when the toddler was in their bed!

Love my Sunday night's again. I think I saw an ad on tv that said Carrie was on a kill list. I might be wrong though.

Great article, Hassled. Being the ignorant zebra that I am, I had no idea that privacy was so keenly - defended in Germany.

The privacy thing is spot on in that article imo. Behind the scenes the Germans are v happy to have the nasty Americans do it for them.

I like the pace of the episode. Still don't get what happened to Saul and was pleased to read the WSJ man thought it odd that he'd be demoted like that.

I'm late, I need to watch on catch up later and then read back.

It's all too close to reality for me

Berlin, or dealing with a billionaire "philanthropist" and the NSA/CIA?

More seriously, the topics have run quite close to reality and that's one of the appeals for this series.

I know

But feel wrong watching something billed as entertainment about Syria and Isil with it all happening in real life right now