Humans - Tonight (Sun) @ 9pm on Ch 4

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OK, after freaking the bejaysus out of me with the weird trailer / advert I am intrigued and looking forward to giving this programme a viewing.

(I will have to record and watch later as I will be watching Messrs Strange and Norrell.)

Anyone else looking forward to it and hoping it lives up to the hype?

I hope that in the next series they address the misery of the synths' ... obsolescence isn't quite the right word but YKWIM.

I guess it would be hard for Leo not to be arrogant, having grown up with "people" specifically created to love and adore him. But he has a lonely future to look forward to if he doesn't form other attachments quite quickly. Or find a way to prolong their lives.

"Beatrice (?) has a sort of happy ever afterifHobb and co don't out her. None of her other colleagues know she's a synth. (Though in reality I don't see how it wouldn't now show up in records.)"

Won't the other colleagues start getting suspicious when they notice that she doesn't get any older?

"Also where were they actually all going? ...They had so much potential these synths and actually in the end didn't really amount to much."

Yeah it was a little bit like shrug shoulders and "Well, see ya then." in the chapel.

If she's smart enough to give herself scars and to "eat" chips she's smart enough to fake the ageing process - if she's alive for long enough.

But that's another potential partner who will have to contend with his conscious synth wearing out like a piece of kitchen equipment.

Which makes me think they will definitely extend their lives in series two.

... Extend their lives and give them an option for procreation / reproduction.

I imagine that when Karen gets to the point where she hasn't aged appropriately, she will just leave and move to another area with a new Identity.

How on earth could they just leave Fred covered in a sheet in a crypt Surely he's going to get found at some point. wouldn't it have been better to have left him covered in a sheet in Joe and Laura's garage?

MadeMan The catchphrase of Game of Thrones is "If you think this has a good ending, you haven't been paying attention." You see the events from the point of view of the goody family, whose children go through unimaginable suffering with no end in sight. Evil seems to prevail most times, especially in the books. (I haven't seen all the show.)

I don't think they could do much about Fred. If they turned him on he would have given their location to Hobb right away. If they kept him off, how could they move him out of the crypt when they were in the middle of a crowd of people protesting against synths?
They would have had to carry him out and run the risk that someone might notice he and the rest of them, were synths or friends of the synths.

I expect they left Fred in the crypt hoping that when someone discovers him, they would activate him thinking he is just another standard (helpless) synth, and then Fred can easily take care of himself once he is activated.

I was bit underwhelmed with the ending I have to say and there have been some plotholes throughout but that's not stopped my overall enjoyment across the 8 episodes. I'll definitely be tuning in for series 2.

Niska's storyline seems to be heading to be the most interesting, though I'm not too sure what development Max, Leo and Mia can make other than being kept on the run. I was expecting Leo to die as in the original and I would have been sad but satisfied by that. Colin Morgan is rather lovely though and it would be nice if he got the chance to smile more next time round .

Agree with Ellle about Fred. Unlike Max, he's capable of looking after himself and is aware that he is under Hobb's control.

Apart from Mattie and her techno skills, I'm not too fussed about the rest of the Hawkins family and thought the storyline with Tom was the weak point of the series. I guess Laura could start putting her legal background to use by securing sentient synths rights (unlikely given We Are People movement) if not for the full synths but at least Leo, who is still legally dead.

Yes ... When her husband protested that there could be nothing in her past that changed his feelings she took a deep breathe ... and I was hoping for some last minute synth revelation. The Tom story was a weakness - not directly relevant to the themes of the series and they could have chosen any number of past events to demonstrate her feelings of rejection and subsequent loyalty to her own family, including Mia.

I never got what the big story was. I thought the subject had changed or something happened to stop her telling him. The big revelation can't have lasted long. I hate it when key moments are blink and you miss it affairs. Was maybe putting the kettle on.

There was a scene when Joe and Laura are alone in the main part of the church (sorry, not very well put) and she tells him then and he's already forgiven her on the grounds of him having sex with Anita being worse than anything she might have done. Thus they are both reunited through the admittance of guilt of their own dodgy doings (not that Laura had anything to be remorseful for). I suspect that if she came to the Relationships board on Mumsnet she'd be well warned to LTB.

Not sure why the entire Hawkins family had to stay stick with the synths for so long after they handed over the clothes and cash. It was getting way past Sophie's bedtime and they were all hanging about en masse. Only Mattie would have needed to stay with them by virtue of her techno skills and Laura could have kept an eye on her, having already proved her mettle with the authorities should they have turned up. Anyway, I'm picking holes now and I did really love it across the whole, but wasn't too invested in the Hawkins the way I was with the other characters and found them quite trite by the end (Mattie apart).

Could someone please tell me about the item which one of the group dropped on the ground at the first - ?park -meeting place? (Just got new glasses this morning).

It was Sophie's toy giraffe EmNetta. It didn't feature any further though so I'm not sure of it's significance.

Thanks Ulysses, I really hate to miss anything, and further thanks for letting me know it's not yet featured again.

I was expecting the tracker to be in the giraffe.....and by dropping it it meant they could get away.

I think I've been watching too much scifi/fantasy as I can't help wondering if young Sophie's brain was affected by all that conciousness sharing when she was asleep in the crypt?

Just me?

D'you mean like River being conceived in the TARDIS?

Actually that final episode reminded me slightly of the final Susan Cooper (The Dark is Rising) book - Silver on the Tree(?)

Or perhaps like DoctorDonna?

Haven't read the Dark is Rising. Might get them for me teenage DC

Teens might scorn them as too young. They're actually quite terrifying as an adult. And beautifully written.

Has anyone else heard of Neil Harbisson? Apparently he's been officially recognised by the government as a cyborg. Is this the future?

cyborgism.wix.com/cyborg

Interesting SheHasAWildHeart it says that this is connected to dealing with his extreme colour blindness doesn't it?

I suppose if you think about people who have artificial limbs controlled by their nervous system might be considered cyborgs? Although has a definition for cyborg been laid down in law yet?

I've heard of several scientists who are experimenting with body modification on their own bodies.

And I'm watching the progress of exo-skeletal "treatment" with limitless interest.

Did anyone see the article in, I think, the Independent a day or two ago - about the growing normalisation of sex with robots?

Bored.

Bored.

Bored.

(When does Season Two start?)

I've been away for just over a week & thought that the last one was this week & I'd have 2 to watch tonight.

There definitely should've been a few more revelations in the last episode, it was a little too disjointed & "these people talking about this over there & now those people are discussing that over here". Didn't enthral me like a couple of the other episodes did which is a shame given that it's the last one for a while!

Did Laura figure out that Niska had Mattie's other drive? She had a slightly dopey expression which I think was supposed to convey a penny-dropping moment. Presumably she/Mattie will now have to try & contact Leo et al to warn them about Niska & they're going to spend the whole of the next series wandering around trying to track her down while she rescues non-sentient synths & builds her own personal army!

Really hoping Odi reappears in the next series.

I think the toy-dropping was symbolic of something - the way they were risking their whole family to protect the synths, maybe?!