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Sunnymeg · 25/02/2015 11:19

Is anyone else looking forward to this? It is going to be shown on Sunday nights once the present series of 'Call the Midwife' has finished.

I loved the original series even though the story did stray from the books a bit. I wonder how this one will go. I understand Robin Ellis has a bit part in the new version as the Reverend Halse.

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Pixel · 25/03/2015 21:57

I'm in love with Uncle Charles' house though. Just gorgeous.

I'm afraid I've hardly noticed because I'm too distracted by Poldark galloping that poor horse on the hard drive.Angry He'll ruin its legs, and it's not even his horse! Didn't he borrow it from his Uncle and then 'forget' to give it back?

sexy scene did leave me rather hot and bothered though I must admit

IrenetheQuaint · 25/03/2015 22:13

I would argue that Jane Eyre (alongside Jane Austen's novels) is the grandmother of chick lit, for better or worse! Which is not to say that it's not a fantastic book in itself, and much more interesting than people who haven't read it think.

I have just been rereading the first few Poldark books for the first time since I was a teenager, and I am struck by the variety and complexity of the female (and indeed male!) characters. Lots of strong and interesting women, and even the ones who are more stereotypically feminine/weak (like Elizabeth) are convincingly portrayed.... one can see what's going on in their heads and understand why they behave as they do.

IrenetheQuaint · 25/03/2015 22:17

Re Ross and Demelza, just worth adding that he is v. impulsive and always flinging himself into situations he hasn't quite thought through, often on moral grounds. (This is one of the many ways in which he is the total opposite of George, who is very strategic and utterly lacking in moral feeling.) Marrying Demelza is a classic example of this trait in him.

VelvetGreen · 25/03/2015 22:17

LadyGlen, was it this quote (it's in the first book)?

Legally an equal, she remained in fact his inferior. She did what he said, no less eagerly, no less unquestioningly, and with a radiant goodwill to illuminate it all. If Ross had not wished to marry her she would not have fretted for something else; but his decision to make the union legal and permanent, his honouring her with his name, was a sort of golden crown to set upon her happiness.

TheOneWiththeNicestSmile · 25/03/2015 22:17

The Bronte/Austen plots are arguably chick lit, but the writing isn't!

boogiewoogie · 25/03/2015 22:31

I agree Irene about Ross' decision to marry Demelza. He clearly isn't in love with her at this point but she has certainly fallen for him. I also think that he married her because it was the honourable thing to do at that time having already slept with her and to "silence" rumours.

It will be interesting to see how the dynamics of their relationship develop next week. There is a major spoiler on the other thread that I am not looking forward to though.

Travelledtheworld · 25/03/2015 23:05

Pixel here is Trenwith. Not in Cornwall, it's in Gloucestershire.
You can rent it too.

www.chavenage.com/index.html

WyrdSmyth · 26/03/2015 09:09

Phew glad it's not just me who thinks that chick lit plots were alive and well in supposedly classic literature of the 19th century. I was thinking of going back and demanding a refund of my tuition fees because a hell of a lot of my lecturers must have been talking crap otherwise Grin

LadyGlen · 26/03/2015 13:09

Velvet That's the one, I knew I wasn't remembering 100% accurately.

squoosh · 26/03/2015 13:23

Chavenage is the place for me. The perfect Grade I period property I've been looking for and such a manageable size!

squoosh · 26/03/2015 13:33

Apparently it's even got it's own headless horseman. Everyone knows that's the very best sort of ghost.

Twinklestein · 26/03/2015 17:05

If any of my lecturers had attempted the Brontes as chicklit line I would have told them they were lazy and sexist.

Jane Eyre is a ground-breaking feminist work of genius which changed the course of English literature. A progenitor of novels of 'interior consciousness' it bravely placed a plain, female servant in its central role.

The reason chicklit has similar plots is because the writers aren't original or talented enough to come up with a new story, so they copy the plots of great novels. That does not make Jane Eyre chicklit, any more it makes than 50 Shades of Meh a work of art. Romeo & Juliet is another much-copied narrative of 'star-crossed lovers' are people going to claim Shakespeare is chicklit too?

Jane Eyre does not follow a typical wish-fulfilment narrative: Jane has a traumatising early life first at her aunt's then at an awful school with a sadistic headmaster. She falls for he employer, he betrays her trust by attempting a bigamous marriage, she leaves and when she returns her employer been disfigured, partially blinded, and his house wrecked by a fire.

It's a strange, dark and bleak work, whose ending is only partially happy.

If Jane Eyre or rather Charlotte Bronte is the grandmother of anyone, it's of other great writers such as George Eliot, Henry James, Hardy, Woolf, Angela Carter, whose debt to her (and her sisters) is clear in their work.

The true grandmothers of chicklit are the sub-literature genre of lady novelists who churned out romantic pap for cash such as Florence L Barclay, Mrs Humphrey Ward, Marie Corelli, Ethel M Dell, most of whom have been forgotten chiefly because their books were crap.

Twinklestein · 26/03/2015 17:09

Chavenage is ok, I'd rather have Port Eliot... Grin

WyrdSmyth · 26/03/2015 17:40

Twinkle I can't help but feel you are totally missing the point of this thread Grin

TheOneWiththeNicestSmile · 26/03/2015 17:58

Look at this poor poor woman

Her son plays Geoffrey Charles. They did 3 days filming at "Trenwith". AT wasn't there for any of them. Can you imagine the disappointment!

m.bathchronicle.co.uk/Regional-Somerset-toddler-star-Poldark/story-26237175-detail/story.html

Margrethe · 26/03/2015 17:59

I still don't get why he slept with her, when it meant to him, that he would have to marry her when he didn't want to do so.

I felt like the episode depicted growing fondness up until the dress scene, but not the sort of obsessive lust that would cause a person to be impulsive against their better judgement.

WyrdSmyth · 26/03/2015 18:07

I don't think marriage was on his mind when he slept with her. I think his mind was in turmoil and it was mainly lost. t was the only the next morning that he realised what he'd done and what the ramifications would be.

From what others are writing who have read the books Ross is portrayed as a very impulsive, head strong character so him sleeping with Demelza in a moment of heedless passion seems in character.

VelvetGreen · 26/03/2015 19:12

This was the same day that he'd been to court to try to save Jim, and had afterwards been downing brandy at the inn. He probably wasn't at his most clear headed. In the book, after Demelza admits she lied about not being able to undo the dress it says:

He said nothing, for now nothing counted, not lies, nor poets nor principles nor any reservations of heart and mind.

The next morning he knows he should have rejected her advances, but does not regret what has happened, other than how it will change their relationship - that it will be an intrusion on their friendship. He also blames the booze.

Impulsive is the right word for Ross - i'm mindful of spoilers but think it is safe to say that some of his actions yet to come are far more impetuous than this, and make you question his morality. At least in the aftermath of his actions in this case he does right by Demelza.

JeanneDeMontbaston · 26/03/2015 19:43

I've read the first Poldark book yesterday.

Hmm.

It's quite good but a bit, erm, creepy, isn't it? Or 'of its time', I suppose.

TheOneWiththeNicestSmile · 26/03/2015 20:12

Which time, Jeanne? 1780s or 1940s? Wink

JeanneDeMontbaston · 26/03/2015 20:15

Grin Well, both, I suppose! But I meant the 1940s.

DustBunnyFarmer · 26/03/2015 20:50

In what way, Jeanne?

JeanneDeMontbaston · 26/03/2015 21:04

Some of the things people have said, about him not seeing her as equal. But also the bit where she's playing with the bluebells (cornflowers in the TV show). It just seems sort of consciously child-like behaviour. She comes across as much younger in the books. And the way it was his mother's dress. It felt a little odd.

DustBunnyFarmer · 26/03/2015 21:13

Thanks for clarifying, Jeanne.

Twinklestein · 27/03/2015 11:09

The point of the thread is to perv over AT, Wyrd I'm on board with that.

I started the first Poldark book too last night Jeanne... it's a bit pedestrian isn't it? Was hoping for something a bit better... doesn't feel authentically 18c yet, but hey if the story gets going it may not matter...