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The Missing BBC1- thread 2

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EauRouge · 27/11/2014 14:18

Original thread here, disappearing scarves, grey-haired doppelgängers and twin theories abound. Has anyone done a spreadsheet yet?

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ArsenicSoup · 02/12/2014 05:51

Is it my imagination or did the hotel owners exchange a shifty look when the family appeared with a child asking to book a room? Wish I could go back and watch the first episode now!

I checked for you Yesterday. No shifty look exchanged that I can see. Alain was smoking in the archway to the next room, absorbedin the football on tv, Laurence seemed normal enough. She was speaking to Ollie and his fox...

In ep 2, in the hospice, James and Emily look so alike when they hug.

You do realise looking for family resemblances in actors is a fruitless line of enquiry, don't you Line? Grin Glad I'm not the only one mildy severely obsessed Smile

AuntieStella · 02/12/2014 06:06

It's possible that Alain had to tip his brother off because they did not want police sniffing round the hotel. The local paedophile - or other criminal? - ring involving a number of town residents would not want a high profile (international) police case on their doorstep, as it risked exposing their own activities. So they might just want rid (with clear-ish conscience) if they had nothing to do with Ollie's disappearance.

LillianGish · 02/12/2014 07:01

I love the broken TV theories. But they wouldn't be filming guests in their rooms surely for the kind of tapes Tony found on Ian's boat? Do we think the reason that room was empty was because it wasn't usually used for guests but for making Ian's sleazy tapes? If so surely he would have gone somewhere more discreet and in his job he wouldn't have been short of empty properties.
Wishing I could re watch the first episode now and trying to remember all the details. We still don't know what Tony does that he had to take that urgent phone call before the car broke down - wondering if that could be significant. Also thinking again about the garage and whether that could be a link.

LineRunner · 02/12/2014 07:50

When Tony gets the phone call about getting paid leave it's from 'Peter'. Emily says 'sorry' for disappearing on a walk, upset, not anything else I don't think.

arsenic I know (!), but the actor resemblance in that scene between James and Emily is remarkable, and there is much fakery about Emily's appearance esp in the hair and gob department. And that's the moment where Robert, from his bed, calls out 'Ollie' and Emily says 'this is James'. Spooky.

AuntieStella · 02/12/2014 08:08

I think it's part of building a claustrophobic and incestuous feel to it all. The broken telly could just be another example of everything being wrong. As could deliberate casting decisions for similar appearances and choice of similar (but perfectly ordinary) names.

Wellthatsit · 02/12/2014 08:45

Episode 1 is on YouTube for those who want to rewatch it.

DillydollyRIP · 02/12/2014 09:29

Loving all the theories here. Yes, the tv could be key with it being out of action for all that time. Not long now until tonight's episode.

LineRunner · 02/12/2014 09:39

I'm so glad they are ending up on You Tube! Thanks, Wellthatsit. The writers in a very guarded interview, without spoilers, as mentioned upthread, did indicate that the ending all links back to 'the first hour' so I may need to watch ep 1 again when it's all over.

MarthasHarbour · 02/12/2014 10:18

A PP upthread mentioned the boy in the very first scene (who actually looked like a girl to me but hey ho). This could be relevant.

I have also been waiting for Alain and Sylvie to tell Botox and Norn Iron that they need to leave the hotel as they need the revenue from the room. Harsh I know but this must happen in RL. They can't keep living in the room for ever. Anyway, my point is maybe this hotel bedroom 'is' key to the plot, in that they haven't kicked them out because they don't actually need the revenue.

I am talking total codswallop aren't I??? Grin

I am still convinced that the policeman in the cells in last week's episode is nettoyage guy, as i said in the previous thread. I know Julien is looking for him in the present but they weren't looking for him in 2006. Also Julien was drafted in to investigate the disappearance, so he won't have known every copper in that station as it wasn't his station at the time. And he wouldn't have been known as Karl Sieg back then if he is dodgy.

Ian is alive I reckon and has 'a bit of a headache' as suggested upthread.

funambulist · 02/12/2014 10:24

It occurred to me that as James and Ollie look so alike (in 2006) it might be possible for Ollie to travel on James passport.

EauLittleRougeofBethlehem · 02/12/2014 10:40

I can't believe I'm actually doing stuff like this Grin but... here are screenshots of the police officer and the cleaning bloke. They look like different people to me.

The Missing BBC1- thread 2
The Missing BBC1- thread 2
AuntieStella · 02/12/2014 10:41

Three things from the first episode that I think need explaining:

a) how did Julien injure his leg? (I wonder if in 2009, a date whose significance is not yet clear. I expected it to have come after the car crash in the last episode, but he was walking OK after that).
b) how did journo know that Ziane the cop could be blackmailed for info? I think journo said later that he was very junior in 2006 and still looking for a permanent position. So unlikely to know what the press might have on him, and as a cop in a small French town why would a British media organisation care anyhow? So is it a personal connection? What is Charmartin (phon)?
c) the owner of the house who took the scarf to the charity shop gave her name as Mme Vivienne Clos. I wonder what her maiden name is?

BeyondTheTreelights · 02/12/2014 10:49

Oo, i spent a good chunk of last night reading the digital spy thread. I recommend it to anyone who has too much time on their hands Grin

forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2020999&page=64

Wellthatsit · 02/12/2014 11:35

Funambulist, you could be into something there. If Marks us dodgy (as lots of us believe) he could be helping smuggle Ollie using James' passport. But how does he then get James home?

AuntieStella · 02/12/2014 11:42

BeyondtheTreeLights

I have a nasty feeling I'm going to end up reading a lot of that thread! What I have learned so far is that there was a production error in the scene where they were showing the football match, because Ronaldo had that distinctive haircut for the 2002 World Cup, and not in 2006.

EauLittleRougeofBethlehem · 02/12/2014 11:56

Ha, I noticed the post about the haircut too Grin

Episode 1 is on Youtube . Just been watching a little bit on mute (DDs in the room) and I hadn't noticed this before. This may have been mentioned already but I'm starting to lose track; when Olleh first goes missing and Tony is looking for him, he finds the rucksack but then a few minutes later he drops it. So if the scarf was in the rucksack then anyone could have picked it up.

And who was the limpy guy at the pool? I remember him now, DH and I just assumed it was Baptiste but we got confused with the limping in the present and not the flashbacks. It looks like it might be the cleaning bloke.

And now I am definitely reading too much into things, but the scene where they are in the restaurant and Olleh is asking if they can go swimming, there's a fella in the background that looks like he's watching them.

Holy crap, it's almost lunchtime and all I've done is take screenshots and try to solve a fictional mystery. FFS.

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The Missing BBC1- thread 2
cupofsneeze · 02/12/2014 11:59

I dont think Ian killed Molly (he liked boys), I think he mixed in so many dodgy circles that one of his associates took her or killed her when he loaned her out which is why his wife has stuck by him and gone mad in the process. I'm thinking she accepted his behaviour because he liked boys as long as he didnt touch their own DD but it backfired.

The whole story is so Belgium X files, its scary.

I've watched it all again on Youtube and cant find anything that covers 'charmartin' (sp?) which would give us a clue to what the journo was blackmailing Ziane about Confused

Thats got to be a massive part of the story that we havent been told yet.

I'm rambling!

AuntieStella · 02/12/2014 12:10

I thought, but might have to go back to check, that there were two rucksacks and as you can see a strap of one of them over Ollie's shoulder in the bar as he disappeared. The scarf wasn't round his neck, so could have been in the one he was carrying. The one Tony threw was the other, wasn't it?

If captive Ollie had taken the scarf out as a comforter whilst in the house, it could have been overlooked even though the rest of his stuff vanished.

EauLittleRougeofBethlehem · 02/12/2014 12:12

Oh, I also looked for Charmartin or whatever it is. I thought it might be a place so I paused on the bit where Tony is looking at the map (last episode), and it's not on there.

cupofsneeze · 02/12/2014 12:25

Has anyone worked out the relationship, if any, between Ian, and Vincents Mum yet?

toldmywrath · 02/12/2014 12:31

Thanks Eau for the screen shots- I can believe about the time wasted, but it is much appreciated. Just going to watch Episode 1 on Youtube now.

AuntieStella · 02/12/2014 12:33

Do we actually know that Ian liked boys? The only child he admitted raping was Molly. We do not know whether there were 53 tapes of her (and his "mistake" was to act on his impulses, repeatedly, culminating in murder) or whether any of the tapes featured boys.

When he said "he was beautiful" I thought it was deliberately goading Tony, perhaps preferring death to disgrace, rather than necessarily being an admission of interest in Ollie, who he always denied contact with.

Several of the children have quite an androgynous appearance - which could well be deliberate to obfuscate what perverted desires are in play here.

Another possible lead: Ian mentioned he had a brother who was also raped by their grandfather. But I don't think we've seen (yet?) and British characters who could plausibly be him.

AuntieStella · 02/12/2014 12:35

x-ed with cupofsneeze: could Vincent be Ian's nephew?

RabbitsarenotHares · 02/12/2014 12:45

I have a theory. It is long.

Random thought, but could the women of the town be responsible for providing the wild goose chase which lead to the Romanians?

Thinking of what’s led Tony, and the police to that conclusion:

  1. The picture on the wall – if it was the Romanians, who are apparently involved with a cleaning company, it is VERY unlikely it would still be so visible eight years later. Surely they would have scrubbed down every inch of the cellar, if they’d been keeping Oli there.

    • could be the house owner is responsible in some way
  2. The scarf (1) – stays in the house until 2010 (four years before Tony goes back)

    • again the houseowner could have deliberately kept it until whenever necessary. Could the actions of 2009 been the catalyst for this to be released into the wild (as it were)?
  3. The scarf (2) – remains unsold in the charity shop for four years, until it is sold to the German family whose son happens to like it so much he wears it for the Bastille Day celebrations.

    • it could be the charity-shop owner, a woman, deliberately hung on to it until the time was right, and then persuaded the family not only to buy it (perhaps at a reduced price…?) but then suggested it so suited the son that he wear it right away
  4. The photo of the scarf on FB – put up by Sylvie

  5. The video footage – when the investigation starts slowing down, the neighbours just happen remember they were videoing their party, which happened to show the boy at the window, and then the next morning the wife accidently turns it on and catches the cleaning van outside, which spells out just who is behind the abduction…. All rather iffy, unless you assume the film, both times, was deliberately filmed, with the boy at the window scene staged purposely to make sure it appeared on the film. Perhaps it was known the cleaning company was going to be there the next day, which made the timing even more perfect than it already was.

These seem to be the weak points in the story, where plausibility has been stretched, which seems a bit to coincidental to be believable, but what if it wasn’t mean to be coincidence, but an orchestrated series of events? Who would suspect such a set up? And I think it is deliberate that it is women who have acted the parts above, to keep suspicions away from the men.

So we come to why? I think it’s obviously to do with the paedophile ring that’s running in the area, that no doubt infiltrates all layers of the society, and which is possibly the raison d’etre for the town’s existence. This was the first time a mistake was made, and the above was staged to cover it. If 2009 was another abduction / disappearance, perhaps they thought they’d got away with Ollie’s well-enough to risk another outsider, but then Tony came back with a vengeance and they realised they hadn’t, so the above series of events had to be put in place, slowly and carefully.

Perhaps the comment about people not coming to Chalons du Bois so much now wasn’t a reference to tourists, but paedophiles. They realised their safe haven wasn’t so safe anymore so kept away.

Hotel Eden – a paradise for paedophiles?

Which comes on to the Hughes. If they are innocent it was all just a terrible case of wrong place, wrong time:

If the town is set up to collect children it might be that Hotel Eden was the drop-off point for children. The mechanic mistook their purpose (‘We’re on holiday, do you know where we can stay’ – taps nose) and sends them there to drop their son off. The usual pattern springs in to action, and the child is taken (perhaps by Sylvie, who befriends the children at the hotel and thus is able to entice them away later. This possibly grates with the idea of the usual ‘parents’ being in on it, but perhaps the act has to be played, so the ‘parents’ can leave with a clear conscience. Alain’s ‘meeting’ is called in anticipation of the child being delivered to them.

Of course, it doesn’t take long for the town to realise its mistake, the Hughes promptly respond, and the obvious question is why isn’t he returned straight away? I suspect there was too much at stake, if Ollie had turned up questions would have been asked that couldn’t be answered. As mad as it seems, perhaps an investigation into his disappearance was easier to control. But seeing as how quickly it all kicked off, the steps mentioned right at the start could be set in motion within the hour. (And if nec, the camera’s clock could be changed slightly in order for the scene of the boy at the window to be set up.)

But perhaps not both the Hughes were innocent? I suspect there were two Olivers, one, the baby at the time Greg was attacked, who later died, and then a later child who was given the same name. But Emily’s guilt was too much – she hoped to replace her first child with the second (as she later replaces that Oliver with James), but found the first could never be replaced. Perhaps it was her father who told her of Chalons du Bois. This could explain why she doesn’t go swimming with them – she knows what is about to happen. It could also explain the split between her and Tony – she can’t bear the guilt of knowing she is the reason he is so unhappy, and her part in it all could also account for the ‘Ugly Truth’ of the journalist’s book title.

Finally, I was considering the title, ‘The Missing’ as opposed to, for example, ‘The Disappeared’. Two thoughts – it refers to the first Oliver, who is the original missing part of the Hughes’ family, and the Hughes’ family history. And perhaps all the children who end up being swallowed up by Chalons du Bois don’t officially disappear – their families know fine well what happens to them, they just happen to be missing from the family (as is Baptiste’s daughter – she is around, but the family is missing her).

forago · 02/12/2014 13:02

the hotel Eden is definitely significant IMO, esp given the interview about it all being about the first hour. It was initially presented in a weird, almost ethereal/creepy way I thought.