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Our Girl and Captain James Discussion Thread...

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ihearttc · 28/10/2014 18:28

A new thread for all things Our Girl as we have already filled up another thread discussing everything to do with the show.

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Candypop7 · 31/10/2014 21:46

Talking of North and South- as one who fondly remembers (this being my last obsession) and finding a clip listed alongside one of CJ- found myself watching it (just for old times sake). Luke warm reaction now. So- it takes 10 years to get over this then, that's scary!

Definitely prefer CJ.

Interesting that so many of us link the two actors.

Rhubarb01 · 31/10/2014 22:07

For clarification, shortly after my first post re: Captains Log, Klipdoctor altered the wording on his profile so there are no misunderstandings. (So we know you are listening) Its a pity it can't be picked up and published as it would make a nice companion book to the series. BBC One missed a trick there!

Richard Armitage - I watched North and South a few months ago for the first time since it was originally broadcast and found it lovely all over again. Then I saw Richard Armitage in the film "Into the Storm" in the summer. It had been running for about ten minutes before I realised it was him complete with American accent (prior fears expressed about BA doing pilots with dodgy Amercian accents come to mind) which unfortunately slipped a few times into something more akin to John Thornton. Not sure this will help launch a Hollywood career - poor script and dire plot although effects were good.

orphan · 31/10/2014 22:13

Saw Richard Armitage in The Crucible at the Old Vic. He was v good but already seemed to be losing his voice even though it was only the second week of the run.

cherin · 31/10/2014 22:19

North&south is my number2 period drama, I watch it ever so often when I need a bit of "romance fix" and never ceases to impress me...even if I can't get over the fact that they have decide to tweak the ending! In the book it finishes with a lovely joke (ths only joke the characters exchange the whole time! But lovely, really!!), whilst in the movie is all about hand holding and big eyes etc (and she keeps on staring out of the freaking window!! For gods sake, you're onto a train, alone, with the love of your life who's clearly thinking to eat you alive!!! Turn the bloody face towards him and snog!! ;-)
Sorry, that was a digression

Third best- sense and sensibility with Hattie Morahan. SHE is quite something. Really class1, as an actress!

No need to delve on number1 because I think we may all agree ;-)

Rhubarb01 · 31/10/2014 22:29

My second favourite (novel and adaptation) is Persuasion. I love the fact that Anne gets a second chance to win back the love of her life after years of thinking all hope is lost.

Agree about Sense and Sensibility - a lovely adaptation. Weirdly I stumbled across the cottage that features in the most recent adaptation just a few months before it was broadcast (Hartland Point, Devon) when away with friends. It is actually a holiday cottage in a lovely location in the middle of nowhere. Imagine the surprise when it appeared in S&S!

orphan · 31/10/2014 22:52

I loved the scene in North and South where Thornton's watching Margaret from the mill with the cotton swirling around like snowflakes. It doesn't compare to Rosabaya though...
Am out all day tomorrow, so will be going cold turkey. (whimpering just at the thought of it)

ilovevenice · 31/10/2014 23:56

Hi everyone, another one coming clean. I only started watching the series halfway through ep. 3 but have thoroughly enjoyed catching up (several times!) and loving all the fab comments on the last thread and this one. Am having a tough time at the moment (close relative with terminal cancer) and it's all been a fantastic distraction. Thank you ladies (and gent) of Mumsnet and CJ

SPOfficer · 01/11/2014 00:28

Just caught up with today's thread and its been a great one. How cool is a shout out from Klipdoctor! Had to go off and read chapter 8 of the Captains Log and I think he's nailed it again for me. The build up to the date and what happens after (ahem) seems just right.

Now, going to get a bit analytical here so be warned! It is clear that a recurring theme on this thread has been how OG has inspired us to make a change for the better in our lives. Change is in fact an obvious central theme in OG with Molly looking to take charge of her destiny. But it has occurred to me that it goes much deeper than that and attitudes to change and peoples ability to influence change in themselves and others is examined through each of the main characters.

Smirf believes that he can affect change but his goals are unrealistic. He thinks he can revenge his brothers death, he thinks he can become a war hero and a knight of the realm and he thinks that he can make Molly love him. In the end he discovers that he cannot achieve what he wants but that the achievable alternative (Molly's friendship) can sometimes be just as rewarding.

CJ is almost the opposite.His rigid adherence to the chain of command and what he sees as the limited role of a soldier means he has no ambition to achieve change for the better - he simply wants to get his soldiers through and get them home. This is underlined by his almost nihilistic attitude to life as something being entirely governed by fate or chance. We all know that Molly ultimately changes his view and that he grows to understand that changing the little things can eventually make a big difference.

Molly knows that she can change her life and has consciously done so by joining the army. What she is unconscious of is her ability to influence others through example. Her journey is to move from being an unconscious agent of change in others to a conscious agent or a teacher. CJ has a central role in awakening her self awareness of this which I think makes there relationship so mutually beneficial and meaningful.

There are also various other threads around change or metamorphosis including Mollys Mums ambitions to do better, her dads wish to get fit and her grans regret at being unable to change the past. Molly even refers to her school project about the life cycle or metamorphosis of a butterfly and the life cycle of a squaddy.

Anyway. Gone off on one there a bit and sorry this has turned into a rambling post. Please ignore or comment as you wish. My only excuse is that you lot have really made me ' engage my brain'.

PassTheSherry · 01/11/2014 01:41

SPOfficer I love that analysis! Very well expressed.

Well I have dived into the world of fan fiction - 'Captain's Log' is really good! So klipdoctor if you're reading this, I am another one here who is loving your work - it's very well done with the characters, the details coinciding with the TV show, research etc. I am enjoying the writing hugely! Thank you!

Also enjoyed the 'My Man' ones - my goodness though, is it hot in here?! Blush

Been watching ep2 again on YouTube as it's gone from iplayer and I didn't download it before it went, silly me. I've never seen Lacey Turner look so beautiful as she does in the duet scene, she absolutely glows in it. The lighting is great. I could watch them do that scene forever - can't spot the wink for the life of me, though, maybe I need my eyes tested!

Oh and thanks, those of you who explained why Rolex Boy's answer of "18" sounded so odd (because he was lying about his age). Re watching the whole scene, and CJ saying to Molly "he would've said he was 18..." (as opposed to "he would've been 18") it does make more sense. Doh!

klj78 · 01/11/2014 01:49

PassTheSherry at exactly 1 minute into this clip you will see the big wink, there is also a very very slight one as he sings his first line (but that could be dust in his eye lol)

Episode 2 is my absolute favourite.

I've given in and ordered the DVD.

PassTheSherry · 01/11/2014 02:10

I see it! I see it!

Finally. Thank you klj78

And on that happy note, off to bed. G'night lovelies. Smile

icemist · 01/11/2014 06:38

Did well not watching till I went to bed early last night (have a cold) and to cheer myself up I watched all the scenes with CJ so I could swoon best bits of EP 5. I love all the looks they give each other in the restaurant. He has gorgeous eyes

I have just remembered I am not working Monday now, so hopefully will be able to listen at home to the interview.

orphan · 01/11/2014 07:42

SPofficer Before I go out for the day I just had to post to say what a brilliant analysis of OG. Made me engage my brain. Go straight to top of the class!
icemist Nooo! Mention of his eyes again and the restaurant scene! That's cruel cos I don't have time to watch again before I leave. Or maybe a few more minutes wouldn't matter.

MumOfTheMoos · 01/11/2014 07:54

One of the things that I love about BA characterisation of CJ is the way, and I'm struggling to describe this properly, the way he physically struggles not to touch her or say something that he shouldn't when he's in the room/tent with her. So, you can see him letting his breath out as she walks away etc because he's tensed up and having an adrenaline rush when he's around her.

The desire to touch someone when you're in love with them is so great and he portrays the struggle not to do that beautifully!

MumOfTheMoos · 01/11/2014 07:58

SPOfficer - love your analysis on the theme of change - there's just so many layers to this, isn't there? Which just proves that it's quality and also justifies all our engagement with it!

snumpy · 01/11/2014 08:20

I think SPOfficer is spot on about change - fantastic post.

Can't believe we got a mention from Klipdoctor. I do find his writing to be my favourite Our Girl fanfiction - it could really be a written accompaniment to the show. However for purely research purposes could someone please post a link to the My Man fanfic please Blush

cherin · 01/11/2014 08:36

SPofficer gets A++ today! Very true indeed. I wonder if the writer was actually that conscious of his choices, or if it's us being so good at analysing his final result! ;-)

So, do you think there is a clear morale in the story? (I think it is. I also think that Molly is so lovely because she is spontaneous and ingenuous and most of the time non really aware of what effect she has on others. Part of her journey is becoming aware of this, and I am happy that she finds fulfilment in the realisation. CJ is the perfect Pygmalion :-)

snumpy · 01/11/2014 08:38

Quick question - why has Captains Log disappeared from the Our Girl fanfic list. Where can I find it now?

cherin · 01/11/2014 08:41

snupy:
m.fanfiction.net/s/10770367/1/My-Man

Enjoy! (More like evening reading than something you do before driving kids to football practice, let me tell you!)

Nickel45 · 01/11/2014 08:44

snumpy this link still seems to work for me www.fanfiction.net/s/10756413/1/Captain-s-Log
Hope it is still there Grin

cherin · 01/11/2014 08:45

Ps: welcome to ilovevenice!
(Do you? Love Venice? :-)
I am in a similar situation to your and found that a bit of innocent escapism really helps. Nothing to lose, really, by filling our hearts with a bit of love and romance in the time of need! Big hug.

Rhubarb01 · 01/11/2014 08:46

SPofficer if Tony Grounds hadn't been thinking about all the themes of change when he wrote OG I should think he would be jolly well patting himself on the back right now if he reads your analysis. If he did, he must be delighted that someone else has picked up the threads as so many of the published reviews seemed to just pick on some of the plot implausibilities and the love triangle etc and not appreciate that there is more depth if you look carefully.

Klipdoctor has changed the rating on his story because of the Bath (ahem) scene. I found it by searching using the writer.

Richtea19 · 01/11/2014 08:58

Morning all! Had a quick read through this morning before heading out for the day. SPOfficer, so well expressed and wonderfully written. Agree completely, massive journey and change for all the characters.

Will read through all comments properly later. But on a quick note, I read completely through Klipdoctor to end of chap 8 last night and then just before bed i watched Ep 2, I felt myself imagining all the side stories that Klipdoctor wrote in between real scenes from program. In my head (dreamy head!)! I have made Our Girl into a serial drama! Wouldn't be amazing if it turned into a weekly serial drama aka Holby!!!!!! Don't supose Eastenders would be impressed! CJ every week........... Ahhhhhhh

SPOfficer · 01/11/2014 09:00

Thank you all for your kind comments on the post I am really glad that you liked it and that it has sparked further thought and debate.

Yes echo welcome to ilovevenice. Glad that our ramblings are helping in a small way.

snumpy · 01/11/2014 09:01

Thanks for the links Smile