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R4roger · 06/10/2014 08:49

Anyone watching this drivel?
although slightly enjoyed the family dynamics going on last night, unfortunately DD's favourite programme and in fact Guardian seems to recommend it Hmm

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BrodiesBabe · 22/10/2014 23:06

Been out most of the day and only just got back. This is the first thing I've done - come right back on here! You have not disappointed, ladies. Flowers

Really nice to welcome some new names too. (What am I saying?? I only joined a couple of days ago!) But our obsession seems to be growing stronger since the end of the series.

One little thing - literally - The man has a tiny arse. Am I right? Not that I care. At all. But it's so cutely diddy. I haven't noticed the bow-legged walk from behind because I've been staring at his tiny little tush. It's almost not there. If he wasn't wearing the baggy army fatigues, he would have a non-arse. I do not consider this a failing in any way, I hasten to add, but it almost makes me want to go 'aaahhh'.

Richtea19 · 22/10/2014 23:16

I am completely new to MN but found all your wonderful posts about CJ. I also have an obsession! Joined MN just so I can join in. I have watched all episodes at least 10 times and now returning just for the Molly and CJ bits. I too have many favourites, I loved the piss off dawsey, what is it about the way he moved his tongue in his mouth? Getting hot under the collar now! LOVE the resturant scene, watched it so many times I am now obsessing with what happened to the coffee cups? So much sexual tension going on over the table.

For me it's definatley the facial expressions, and the stubble, oh and the tan especially sleeves rolled up, not forgetting the uniform,!

Another quick go on the iplayer before bed.... Episode 3, Rosabaya!!! ??

Smurfingreat · 22/10/2014 23:20

Not so sure about the non arse and bandy legs, my intensive gawping studying where James stalks off announcing "what are you telling me for", appears to indicate the exact high round butt you would expect to find at the top of those legs.

In my purely for resarch drooling imagination, that butt goes just fine with the rather lovely top we have already seen.

But I do like a slender man...

cherin · 22/10/2014 23:24

I fucking could not resist and sent the pictures to my BGF (best gay friend), who's now overseas and can't watch bbc. The good news is that he liked him-lots- and usually he only falls from straight men! Not sure I would take it as a proof, but it's as good as I can get
:-)
(Can't believe I am typing this)

BrodiesBabe · 22/10/2014 23:27

Smurfing I am more than happy to engage in extensive bum discourse. I am also happy to be swayed on the bum issue. Perhaps the baggy trousers hid a pertness I have yet to study in great detail and must apply myself to immediately. Wink

Richtea He does do some interesting things with his tongue ... hmm, yes, especially at the end of sentences and speeches. Thank you for reminding me of this. Yeah ... mind drifts ...

cherin · 22/10/2014 23:29

Anyway, just wanted to say that the actor that plays Smurf is also really good. The scene when they wait in hospital and he says "shut the cake hole" and cries is really really moving.

Ilovelblue · 22/10/2014 23:43

Smurfingreat - in the first four episodes, I found Corporal Kinders a fairly wooden character and definitely lacking in personality but having watched the final episode ok, I've lost count a number of times now, I think he was more endearing and his personality seemed to come through more. Would I let him dip his spoon in my Coco Pops though? Probably not. I did find it funny though as an aside to this question when he said something about the section being able to tell that "they", meaning Smurf and Molly, were "loved up". I do fail to see how they couldn't have noticed about Molly and CJ, but then again, that's men for you! I think any women around the camp would have caught on pretty quickly. What about Jackie, the other medic? We didn't really see enough of her but I bet she would have had them sussed pretty quickly!

Smurfingreat · 22/10/2014 23:48

Brodies bring it on...

Smurfingreat · 22/10/2014 23:51

iloveblue thank you for your considered reaction to Cprl Kinders, I think there is more to him than meets the eye apart form the scene where he gets out of the shower, where there couldn't be much more. I always get the less obvious one, maybe that's why i'm looking. Grin

BrodiesBabe · 22/10/2014 23:52

Mwa ha! May have to wait until tomorrow. I'm off to have sweet CJ dreams ... nighty night. Wink

PassTheCremeEggs · 23/10/2014 07:51

Iloveblue - in reality it would actually be the other way round - it's definitely not encouraged for officers to get married early as they miss out on time living in the mess and bonding with fellow officers. The army is also not that keen on officers having a dependent family at home so early in their careers when they should be giving absolutely everything to the army. Later on - senior captain/major stage - totally standard, (and kind of expected...) to get married. But neither way would have a bearing on promotion prospects.

I too wondered why he would have got married so young given his commitment to his career. Perhaps the baby came along unexpectedly?? And they got married to try and make it work? That would fit in with his character I think.

PassTheCremeEggs · 23/10/2014 08:04

Ps sorry - hope you don't think I was being annoyingly pernickety! Just explaining why I think there must have been another reason they got married.

Richtea19 · 23/10/2014 08:12

Had a thought last night, if Our Girl was nominated for a TV choice award, (January 2015) CJ would be on the red carpet, in a suit and looking totally gorgeous. We could all then get to the O2 and see him in the flesh!

Would love to see CJ on chat show, Graham Norton, one show etc, but slightly apprehensive that he will not be who I want him to be! Maybe I should just carry on dreaming CJ scenes.

Another fav shot of him is in Ep 1 when she returns from CB , CJ legs astride, arms crossed. Very stern and looking so hot! When's Molly walked back towArds the tent, and two sectiion cheered I loved CJ face when he laughed.

Off to work now and will be day dreaming all day. Is it wrong to be so obsessed?

Also Im going to write to management agency to find out what he is next in, fingers crossed for theatre performance..... Got to be on the front row!!!

ihearttc · 23/10/2014 08:27

I really need to change my username on here to iheartcj...I had the filthiest dream last night after reading that last fanfic before I went to bed!!

Anyway my favourite scene randomly is when he calls her Dawsey for the first time. He is admitting to himself just how he feels about her and his tongue and facial expressions do all sorts of funny things to me!

Then the coffee request specifically when the link hands and he asks her to come back to him.

At the hospital with her face in his hands.

I really love the scene when he is telling her to go home and she doesn't want to go and he says "we already might gonna got one". You can see how much he really wants her to stay and I especially love his look when he goes up in the helicopter.

The scene in his quarters is fab as well.

And out of the final episode bizarrely the one where he is in his hospital bed and talking to her about how they don't need to be apart now. I prefer that to when he is in Bath with her. It seems more real Captain James if that makes sense. Plus he is topless which is always a bonus!

Oh and Im there if he gets to the O2...maybe we can have a MN outing!! Although Im slightly concerned he won't live up to my expectation. I actually met one of my previous crushes and I have to say he was and still is I imagine a complete and utter idiot and really ruined it for me. Although he was nothing like Ben Aldridge and I can't imagine him being like that to his "fans" like the person I met did.

Ilovelblue · 23/10/2014 08:32

PasstheCremeEggs - not offended at all. You obviously have more knowledge on the subject than I do. I wonder if stuck up ex wife got pregnant deliberately?

BrodiesBabe · 23/10/2014 09:37

Won't be able to be part of your lovely CJ discussions today, girls, but wanted to wish you well.

If - and only if - CJ wasn't around for any reason, I agree that I could find myself quite easily distracted by Corporal Kinders. The emerging from shower scene - gosh. Beautiful man.

Also ... going out on a limb here perhaps, but I think you lot will understand ... I also have a slight thing about Qaseem. I thought he was a lovely, lovely interesting character - gorgeous voice and eyes. I loved it when he had his bandana tied round his head. Blush

Right - ahem - back to CJ adoration.

jcscot · 23/10/2014 10:33

I got around to watching the other night and was reasonably impressed. Yes there were lots of factual errors (calling Cpt James the CO, when he would be called the OC for example, the fact the Americans were involved in the intelligence op at the end - what's wrong with using the Brit IEF/detention facility, especially as the Brits are the lead nation in Helmand? - and too many other small things to mention).

The "banter"/swearing strikes me as pretty accurate, even from the officer - when my husband comes home from tour he has to remember to set his swearometer to low as he's back in family life, not barracks life and it was a nice touch to show how it took a while for Molly to earn her place, both as a female attached to a male infantry section and as a combat medic.

I liked the feeling of dislocation when she came home on R&R and POTL - definitely hit the right note for me - it takes a while for things to settle back down, given the realities of the job.

Regarding ages/ranks etc, it is possible that Molly is in her early twenties (very early) because, despite what was portrayed in the first programme (which I haven't seen since it was broadcast) it doesn't normally take a "few weeks" to get from application stage to starting basic training - there's more to it than just the BARB test shown in that film. Also, she was unlikely to have been plucked straight from Special to Arms training to go to Afghanistan. In fact, that bit a the beginning of the series is likely to be her first full posting after training - it hints that she's been picked ("trawled") at short notice to replace someone who can no longer go.

The scenes when they deployed also rang false - why did only one platoon deploy? The infantry usually deploys as a battalion/battle group, so where were the other platoons and companies. Yes it's right that the platoon would have occupied the FOB as a small unit, but there would definitely have been more input at company OC and at CO level. I appreciate that might have been down to casting restraints. Another query - why was the section completely made up of people with no operational experience (other than the captain). At the funeral scene, thery're all wearing one medal each, with the exception of the Capt. Surely, given recent military history, the Cpl at least would have previous operational experience, certainly at least one or two members of the section would have one or two tours under their belt.

Lastly, my gripe regarding the wife: it is not unusual nowadays for a Captain to be maried with a family. Yes, historically, there was a presumption that junior officers did not get married but that was in a climate where most officers went straight to RMAS after school. Most officers now have a degree and some even have a couple of years of work before they join up and it is therefore not uncommon to find that they may marry at a relatively junior rank compared to previously.

Even if a wife knows what's she's in for and is prepared for what may come in the form of deployments and committments, Army life is tough and it takes its toll, especially once children come along. In my first two years of marriage to my husband (then a baby Captain), we spent a combined total of ten months together. We got married on R&R from Kosovo and after he dumped me in MQs we didn't see each other for four months, then his first posting to a Div HQ, where he spent a lot of time away on exercises etc couple with being in the initial implimentation team for ISAF after 9/11. So, even though I knew what Army life was like and I was supportive of him, it was still bloody hard. Eight years ago we had a family and since then, he's been based away from home and he comes back every other weekend for a couple of days. That is also hard but is an increasingly common position for Army families - it gives you stability for the children and potentially allows for the wife (and it is usually the wife) to establish and maintain a career.

Repeated tours of Afghanistan take their toll - my husband has been twice in the past six years - especially as the Army can take little account of family circumstances. My husband was deployed 48hrs after I'd had emergency surgery following a miscarriage that went a bit wrong - and that was the Army being compassionate by delaying him for 24hrs. Climbing the ladder and gaining promotions also takes a lot of work - it can be rapid (my husband went from 2nd Lt to Lt Col in just 12 years) involving increasingly demanding jobs - it gets harder the higher you climb.

So, to characterise the wife as a "cold fish" (admittedly based on a five second appearance) would be wrong, especially as there is little backstory given - the only hint we get is that the captain was perhaps more interested in his career than his wife. I'm sure others with military experience either in uniform or married to someone in uniform will back me up that divorce and family breakdown is depressingly common in the forces.

In my experience, inter-rank relationships are rare but can work, so long as there is no direct chain of command. In this case, Molly and the captain are from different capbadges, so would only directly work together on tour. However, relationships where both serve are difficult because it's hard to get time together when postings/tours/exercises will frequently pull in differing directions.

Anyway, apologies for the essay. I did enjoy the series, especially the restrained note to the romance - even if it was front and centre, it was understated and not graphically displayed - and think it would be interesting if the series was able to show life as a female in the Forces.

One final note - op tours/exercises are smelly affairs and you want to stay upwind of any man returning from one until they've had at least an hour in a shower. The grimy, combat attire/skin might look good, but it's not attractive if one is within sniffing distance!

Jajis · 23/10/2014 11:11

Definitely didn't find this thread by obsessively searching for images of Captain James...

I'm off work after having my tonsils out and watched all of the episodes back to back on iPlayer while DS was at nursery earlier this week... and may have suggested to DP that he would like it, just so I can watch it again in the evenings.

So glad to see that I'm not the only one who has become completely obsessed - it's been years since I felt this involved with a TV programme (if you ignore the obsession I had last week with Stephen Moyer after re-watching all of NY-LON in one day on 4oD), it's quite disconcerting.

PassTheCremeEggs · 23/10/2014 12:43

Agree with all you've said jcscot except the marriage thing - the BBC script for episode 5 says his son is 7, if Capt James is 28ish (I think?) that means he was potentially married with baby at 21 as a 2Lt or a Lt - that is definitely more unusual. Yes there are lots of married captains with families but not many married lieutenants with families.

Also Kinders has four medals at the funeral. But agree the lack of experience isn't realistic in the section. I think the presence of Maj Beck in the FOB (presumably the OC) hints at a larger battle group that just isn't shown for casting reasons. But the lack of any SNCOs is an omission - surely there should be a platoon sgt at least! Also it's never totally clear whether Capt James is commanding the section (totally unlikely) or the platoon (also fairly unlikely as would usually be a lieutenant)

But as ever - I'm willing to overlook an awful lot for the sake of lots of lovely Captain James time...

jcscot · 23/10/2014 12:59

If he is as young as 28, then he was definitely married young! I thought he was older - possibly just about to come off the beige list. It mentions he volunteered for the tour - perhaps killing time before ICSC(L) ?- which would put him at 30 at least. Also there were no lance corporal shown (I missed the corporal' s medals). Platoon command as a Captain would be rare but if he was plugging a manning gap, it might fit - he'd be more likely to be a company 2IC, though. I think the OC does introduce him as a platoon commander IIRC.

lyndie · 23/10/2014 13:09

Thanks for the helpful Army stuff that is good to know.

I wondered if perhaps CJ was pressured into marriage as that was what was expected of him. His parents are obviously well off, maybe he was at Uni, in the cadets or something before Sandhurst? I think he's like Molly though in the sense that he doesn't quite fit into what he was born into! If that makes sense. I don't think there's anything wrong with the two of them falling in love. I have seen far big age and class gaps do absolutely fine, and what they do have in common is their place in the Army.

Smurfingreat · 23/10/2014 13:46

Lunchtime treat for you ladies Grin

Our Girl
ihearttc · 23/10/2014 13:52

Smurfingreat-I have that exact picture as a background on my phone.

Ive managed to zoom in as well so can see him even clearer.

Nope not obsessed at all!

jcscot · 23/10/2014 14:46

Dramas always get character ages wrong. There was an IVY military drama last year or the year before that had Greg Wise as a company OC with a teenage (16-ish) daughter. Company OC is usually done at around age 36-37, with the average age for a CO being about 42. In that drama, both Wise' s character and the CO were too old - nearer the ages of a full colonel and brigades with families to match.

It's the same mistake they've made with Capt James' character - his family circumstances don't necessarily match with the rank/age they want him to be.

jcscot · 23/10/2014 14:47

IVY? ITV. Bloody auto-correct!