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Vintagejazz · 17/09/2014 14:12

I believe it's back on Sunday. Hurray!

I really hope though that they focus more on Edith and less on Mary and her boring, all look the samey, suitors.

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PolkadotsAndMoonbeams · 22/09/2014 18:13

What was all that about Bates getting uptight after the fire?

I did think some of it was a bit jumpy, lots of scenes seemed very short.

GimmeMySquash · 22/09/2014 18:17

If it was not for the acting, costumes, direction and magnificent Highclere, none of us would watch this. The plot has lost the plot since series 1.

GimmeMySquash · 22/09/2014 18:17

Plot gone to POT!

wantacatplease · 22/09/2014 18:21

Did anyone notice Bates refer a couple of times to it being difficult for man to raise another man's child? He
said it in reference to Lady Mary remarrying and then referred to it again I think in regards to something else...I'm wondering if this is a future plot device involving him and Anna in some way...?

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams · 22/09/2014 18:23

I think Gillingham should be a bit more cautious about this dirty week away - current survival rate of men who've slept with Lady Mary is 0%.

Maybe he's thinking third time lucky! And also, the "no-one must ever find out", surely if she basically says she won't marry him because he's hopeless in bed, he might not be too happy and tell people.

wantacatplease · 22/09/2014 18:24

a man* Sorry am cooking and typing!

Oakmaiden · 22/09/2014 19:03

Ahem - Current series is set in 1924.

Dates of birth:

Violet 1842
Robert 1866
Cora 1868
Matthew 1885-1921
Mary 1891
Edith 1892
Sybil 1895-1920
Sybbie 1920
George 1921
Marigold 1923

So baby Marigold could be somewhere between 12-18 months, which is just about plausible with the child playing the part.

boogiewoogie · 22/09/2014 23:01

I don't like Gillingham at all. His forwardness is very off-putting. Cannot understand why Mary could possibly agree to go on a dirty week with him. urgh!

YeGodsAndLittleFishes · 23/09/2014 07:26

Exactly polkadots. He is using this as a way to be in a better position to persuade her to marry him. Enough of a reason to give him a wide berth, but thoroughly modern Mary is missing the oldest tricks in the book.

BoldFossil · 23/09/2014 07:41

yes, she'll end up 'ruined'. DOn't know how she could think she'd come out of it well.

tribpot · 23/09/2014 07:46

Well Mary was already 'ruined' once before, but yes if it became known she'd been away with him it would be very damaging for her, far better to be married and playing away a la Duckface, which was perfectly acceptable.

YeGodsAndLittleFishes · 23/09/2014 07:54

I'm more concerned she will become trapped in a marriage with him, which he uses her. Agree with boogiewoogie, feel there is something not right about Gillingham, he has a steely, ruthless look in his eye when talking to Mary.

Rusticated · 23/09/2014 10:03

I only watch it because DH is a fan of terrible TV and likes to have someone to giggle with, but that was pretty terrible, albeit entertainingly so. Why waste such a good cast, including Harriet 'best Mrs Elton ever' Walter and Duckface?

The writers (or is it just JF?) seem to let some plots creak on at glacial slowness for aeons (Edith's missing editor, which has had zero plot development since the boring bastard vanished, Lady Mary dithering about remarrying one of her indistinguishable suitors), and others gallop along at a rate of knots.

And you know when the children are produced it's because we're being told Time Has Passed, and Sunday's episode couldn't have shouted any louder about Changing Socio-Political Times unless Carson had got out a megaphone and stood on a soap box roaring 'Servants are leaving in droves for better hours and pay in factories and not being replaced! Servants are boffing aristos! Lady Mary has either sorted out her contraception or is planning another anal adventure! The schoolteacher is a Bolshevik spy! Lady Edith is an Unmarried Mother! The villagers prefer me to M'Lud!'

And honestly, quite apart from that being an instantaneous 999 response even by urban 2014 standards, are we honestly supposed to think that the estate tenants who double as emergency firemen were going to be rounded up and get into nice uniforms with shiny buttons and impressive helmets before arriving at the house?

What puzzled me because I have no memory of it from last season is the Lady 'Duckface' Anstruther and the Footman plot line - did we already know this, or was it just a bewildering new introduction to get rid of whatever that dooy footman is called?

Rusticated · 23/09/2014 10:03

Dopy footman, not dooy.

Vintagejazz · 23/09/2014 10:40

Anyone else find the Kindle ads a bit out of kilter with the programme?

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OnlyLovers · 23/09/2014 16:02

jazz, yes, but I think that's part of the point –although I reckon it could be done better, so it looked more knowingly out of kilter, IYSWIM.

I want Edith to become an actual magazine writer/editor (I agree she seems to have nominally taken over from her suitor, but there's never been any evidence of it), swan up and down to London, take a pied a terre and an unsuitable lover and generally live the 1920s high life.

I quite like the teacher.

I practically applauded Isabel for one of her tart responses; unfortunately I can't now remember which one!

I'm struggling to give a rat's ass about any of the others.

OnlyLovers · 23/09/2014 16:02

Oh, apart from the always-magnificent Anna Chancellor, of course.

Vintagejazz · 23/09/2014 16:22

I quite like the teacher too. As a character I mean. She's rude and OTT in her approach to things but it's nice to see the upper classes being shaken out of their complacency. And she also really shows up how passive and 'all talk no action' Tom is.

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crossandcrosser · 23/09/2014 16:38

I don't like the teacher's fake Northern Accent.

citruslemon · 23/09/2014 18:45

Anna made a comment about her and Baxter not having children. Might they 'adopt' Edith's daughter and therefore she is near Edith?

Gillingham has mentioned money troubles previously and has no valet at the moment (can't afford it?) He was also awkward when asked about his previous valet, maybe he killed him because he found out something? Not sure how you would push someone under a bus without anyone noticing though. He prob after Mary for her money and if she sleeps with him, he will have a hold over her.

Also randomly remembered that Mary's parents know about her sleeping with the Turkish gentleman. So maybe they'd be ok with Edith and her child, but make up a cover story for everyone else?

limitedperiodonly · 23/09/2014 18:59

I do not want to hear any more of Bates's suggestive comments to Anna about how to make babies, thank you very much.

SmatteringOfPatois · 23/09/2014 19:16

Lady Rose needs to visit the 1920's equivalent of an orthodontist.

tribpot · 23/09/2014 22:06

I think Bates should just start crooning 'Let's Get It On'. But if they had a child, who would look after it? Even Downton is not sufficiently democratic to let it hang out in the nursery with the aristo children ageing at different rates.

Trickydecision · 23/09/2014 22:22

Rusticated I was puzzled about the dopey footman business too but sockqueen and Littlebear remember references to the affair in a previous episide.

Cariad007 · 24/09/2014 09:04

There must be more to Baxter's past crime than she revealed surely? Perhaps an illegitimate child she needed the money for?

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