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Vintagejazz · 17/09/2014 14:12

I believe it's back on Sunday. Hurray!

I really hope though that they focus more on Edith and less on Mary and her boring, all look the samey, suitors.

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diddl · 24/09/2014 09:15

It's all still mysterious, isn't it?

And bloody Thomas.

get the fuck rid of him!!

"How lucky that you were on the gallery"

yes, snooping about outside the bedrooms!!!

"oh Edith tried to burn the place down" (or whatever was said)

Just for once Mary, keep your bitchy comments to yourself!

i don't know why i watch this as it winds me up so much!

Rusticated · 24/09/2014 09:51

Thanks, Tricky. I had zero memory of anything previous to do with the Duckface/Footman shenanigans.

The lack of character development maddens me at times, or that a character is allowed to develop for a while, then snaps back into their previous one-dimensional incarnation, as if the writers had completely forgotten the intervening changes.

It happens a lot in DA. Thomas is a classic example. He has story lines (the highly unlikely 'coming out in a 1920s country house and everyone being fine with it' among others) that allow him to appear briefly complicated and three-dimensional , but then snaps back into being a motiveless Iago-style villain purely out to create chaos upstairs and down, stroking his villain-beard and cackling to himself.

(And surely, whatever his precise relation to Baxter, Cora's point is a perfectly obvious one that should have occurred to any self-respecting villain - even if he's interested enough in getting extorted information about his fellow-servants and employers to import a lady's maid he has a hold over, isn't he in fact putting himself at significant risk in that him disclosing her criminal past exposes him as having knowingly placed a convicted felon in Cora's bedroom?)

And what's going on with Molesworth? 98% of the time he's presented as an idiot, hapless laughing-stock, but in any scene with Baxter, he's suddenly a subtle, insightful, morally courageous combination of agony aunt and romantic hero...

WireCat · 24/09/2014 09:59

It needs to end soon, I think he 1929 stock market crash should end it somehow. So one more series.

millimat · 24/09/2014 11:49

I'm confused. I thought it was gillinghams valet who raped Anna?

Explored · 24/09/2014 11:52

It was and then the Valet died under a bus on the day Bates was secretly in London. Gillingham hasn't replaced said valet due to lack of funds.

I keep thinking the "reason" for all Thomas' nastiness is about to be revealed and he's going to become a nice person after all, then everything goes back to normal.

millimat · 24/09/2014 11:57

I only watched series 1 and 4. Tried to catch up on others in boxed sets but then got totally lost who was where and when!
Who is lady rose?

Explored · 24/09/2014 12:00

She's a cousin who was sent to live at Downton because she was becoming wild and didn't get on with her mother , but really she was invented to be the rebellious one after Sybil died.

diddl · 24/09/2014 12:02

I do think that it has had it's day.

There's an heir for Downton, which was the point, so who cares who mary marries now etc!

Funny how people said that Matthew was boring, but bloody hell, it's shit without him!

Cariad007 · 24/09/2014 12:06

I wonder who will end up inheriting the title if something happens to little George? He'll be of an age to fight in WWII so may not outlive his grandfather. But let's hope JF stops Downton long before it gets to that!

millimat · 24/09/2014 12:11

Ah that's why I was confused - I assumed that all the 3 girls were sisters.
If bates and Anna did have a baby, would they be able to stay at Downton?

Vintagejazz · 24/09/2014 12:14

Bates and Anna don't live at Downton. They have a cottage somewhere nearby. I presume Anna would have to leave service but Bates would continue to work at Downton.

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Explored · 24/09/2014 12:21

Oh jazz, they do live at Downton, on the estate. I was surprised Anna stayed on after her marriage. Would that have been usual?

EvansOvalPiesYumYum · 24/09/2014 12:32

I think I would like the Mary character if it were to be played by someone else. Michelle Dockery gets right on my nerves, the way she lingers over the very last syllable of every sentence, in an attempt to sound upper class.
Oh, I don't really kno-o-o-o-o-oowwww
Shall we go in for suppe-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-errrrrrrr
What do you think about it a-a-a-a-a-alllllllll

Gahh!

I think I only watch it for Maggie Smith now. Storylines are a bit silly and far-fetched (and predictable).

And the higher classes would most definitely not have treated their employees in such a way. Employee would hardly have ever been noticed, let alone have the employer take an invested interest in an unborn child/unmarried mother/protect and speak up for someone accused of a criminal act.

It is total, utter nonsense (yet I still watch) Blush

EvansOvalPiesYumYum · 24/09/2014 12:36

Oh, God - VESTED interest, not invested (I know I didn't bloomin' well type that)!!!!!

beccajoh · 24/09/2014 12:37

Explored, I would have thought Anna would have 2-3 rug rats at her feet by now given that she and Bates have been married for a while. Must be five years or so at least? Barring any fertility ishoos I suppose.

I reckon Lady Mary will come back from her dirty weekend duffered and she'll have to marry Gillingham anyway.

Nancy66 · 24/09/2014 12:40

I'm glad they didn't make Anna pregnant by the rapist - felt sure they'd do that storyline

diddl · 24/09/2014 12:40

"I wonder who will end up inheriting the title if something happens to little George? "

It's odd now isn't it as in the 1st series Violet was going on about "smashing the entail"Hmm iirc.

But Matthew willed his share to Mary!

Was that because he actually put money so actually owns something?

So why can't Robert will it to who he wants?

Explored · 24/09/2014 13:16

Hasn't Bates been alluding to fertility issues? Lining up an adoption, perhaps?

tribpot · 24/09/2014 13:41

No, I think Anna's refusing to sleep with him still. He knows now she's been raped, doesn't he? But she doesn't know he knows who it was.

Re: the entail, isn't George the heir because he's Matthew's heir? And Matthew was the heir. What on earth did Matthew will to Mary, though?

Cariad007 · 24/09/2014 13:49

I think he willed his monetary share in the estate to her but the title is one that can only be inherited. So possibly Robert could will the estate to whoever he wanted but not the title. I think!

Rusticated · 24/09/2014 14:25

I imagine the estate and the title descend together through the direct male line (that is, unless the estate had to be sold off), but that as Matthew had money of his own, unrelated to Downton, that this was his to dispose of as he wished in his will. Presumably most is willed to baby George, with Lady Mary having an income from it and control over the capital until George turns 21, or possibly until she remarries.

Though that doesn't seem to have been mentioned as a concern in the 'Mary's suitors' plot - it would have been quite standard for a widow's control of money willed to her underage child to cease if/when she remarried, to protect a child from a stepfather with his own interests/family at heart.

I do wish Lady a Mary would stop drawling the ends of her words. It makes her sound more as if she's had a minor stroke than it makes her sound UC.

diddl · 24/09/2014 14:29

Perhaps I misunderstood then as I thought that Matthew had used money left to him by Lavinia's father to invest in Downton 7 that he then owned a part of the estate.

phantomnamechanger · 24/09/2014 14:37

I thought Bates DID know who had raped Anna? And she is concerned that the bus incident was no accident? I also thought they have fertility issues rather than her still refusing to sleep with him.

LittleBearPad · 24/09/2014 14:54

Diddl is right as far as I remember. Matthew used Lavinia's fathers money to save Downton. He then owned half, which Mary then inherited.

MintyChops · 24/09/2014 15:00

I can't BEAR the annoying, rude, chippy teacher. Ugh. If you disapprove of the nobs so much how's about you don't come to dinner love?

And those Kindle ads are dire, shoot the ad agency!

And breathe.......

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