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Midwives, No pain, no gain (BBC2)

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FadBook · 17/09/2013 21:05

Anyone watching?

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Steamedcabbage · 24/09/2013 10:52

Yes that all makes more sense, but still rather harsh though (imho)! Here in Belgium, I'd have had direct access to my ob/gyn for reassurance even if impossible to treat (and, understandably, given her history, the woman seemed pretty worried to me)

(And don't have much medical knowledge so possibly talking through my hat but if discharge caused by STI or similar, still possible to lessen chances of miscarriage by treating with antibiotics or somesuch surely?)

pigletmania · 24/09/2013 10:59

Bue my qualified midwife referred me toEPAU when I had a bleed at 9 weeks, I had 2 previous m/c. Turned out baby was fine, he is 20 months now

Bue · 24/09/2013 11:13

No problem. I can see how, if you don't know the system, it all looked a bit Hmm.

mignonette · 24/09/2013 11:19

A lot of it is down to Medical protectionism over referrals. Allowing RN's and RM's to refer would involve Doctors having to hand over some of their 'power' and the poor dears are only just coming to terms w/ Nurse and Physio prescribing Grin.

Bue · 24/09/2013 11:53

piglet that's great to hear. In our area, for anything "abnormal" your first port of call up to 16 weeks is the GP. The EPAU is actually a gynaecology-run service and midwifery/obstetrics aren't involved in managing early miscarriage. (I do not happen to fully agree with this approach, but there you go!)

Steamed I think the MW could tell from the description that it was probably old, oxidized blood. But yes if she sees the GP they might do tests? Am still a student so not sure of all the ins and outs!

mignonette Grin

Primrose123 · 24/09/2013 12:03

I didn't like the midwives in this episode much, apart from Tatiana, she looked great.

I'm interested in the medical notes thing. I didn't know I was allowed to see my notes. How do I go about this? Is it too late? My DC are 16 and 12. I had a horrendous labour with my first, and would really like to know what the midwives wrote. I had a horrible midwife for the middle part of my labour, and then a brilliant one for the last part. Interestingly I didn't give birth in Cardiff, but in Swansea. Are Welsh maternity departments run differently from English ones? I didn't feel that my experience in hospital was good at all.

mignonette · 24/09/2013 16:59

She'd have asked to see the pad/ underwear if the lady was PN. That bit they wouldn't have shown us.Or at least I hope not as nice to think people have some sense of privacy and boundaries left.

I asked for my notes but 'surprisingly' (not) they had 'lost' them. They thought (I think) that I was planning to complain.

pigletmania · 24/09/2013 23:24

Oh righ Bue. Fr my 2 miscarriages I was referred to EPAU bytbe GP

hanginginthere1 · 25/09/2013 10:12

Slightly away from the point, but I do fear that at my local hospital, a serious incident will occur.
A member of my family has recently given birth there. She had previously had a C section, so had never experienced a natural birth. Waters broke, contractions started, rang hospital and was told not to go in until 1.30 pm. She was ok with this, but from the way that she was describing the contractions, i realised that she should go in sooner. Hospital still adamant that she should not go in until 1.30.
Eventually got there, in some considerable pain. She was told not to report to Maternity but a sort of assessment area. This did not deal justwith maternity, so she had to sit there for some time until it was her time to be dealt with. Contractions getting stronger. Then told to make her way to Maternity. Lift not working, no wheel chair, she had to climb a full flight of stairs. By this time, pain unbearable. Eventually got to Maternity. By now beginning to feel the need to push, but she does not realise this! Mid wife eventually decides to examine her. Of course, she is fully dilated, and midwife begins to realise the urgency. Again, told to walk to delivery suite, almost collapses in corridor with members of the public present. No wheel chair, MW casually saunters on ahead.
Told to 'get on that bed, and start pushing". No monitoring of baby, no pain relief. Baby born at 4 pm, thankfully all well.
Am I alone in thinking that this treatment was wholly unacceptable, from being told to stay at home for far too long, to a complete lack of care, esp for the mother. To have to basically almost crawl down a corridor, and climb stairs is so humiliating. Remember, the mother had not experienced a natural birth before. No regard made to this at all.
I really do believe that these were conditions akin to the third world.
A few weeks later, an article appeared in our local paper, with a picture etc of a mum who had given birth in the car park. Again, similar story, she simply had not been given enough time to get there. Article treated in a jokey way, but I for one do not think that treating women in this way is a joke at all. I fear that something serious will happen.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 25/09/2013 10:50

Hanginginthere - that sounds beyond appalling. Does your family member feel able to complain to the hospital and PALS etc? Maybe even the newspapers (with a more serious slant - opinion from independant expert about what can go wrong in a vbac, and how much worse this could be if it happened in the car park rather than in the fully equipped maternity unit)? Because you are right - this sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.

hanginginthere1 · 25/09/2013 12:49

Think that she was just relieved that baby was safe and well.
She did comment though, that the staff could not do enough for them after the birth. They obviously realised that things could have gone very wrong.
I can't believe how this hospital was so complacent in its care.

BangOn · 25/09/2013 17:19

Don't even like the title of this show 'No Pain No Gain' - what utter bollocks. Some women give birth with very little pain naturally, some have great success with hypnobirthing, some are actually given the epidural they've fricking well requested!

Dear BBC, please stop reinforcing the misogynistic lie that all births have to be excrutiatingly painful.

Redlady20 · 01/10/2013 21:14

I have been watching the programs and fed up with seeing horrid midwives and then I saw Tatiana, i watch again last night and she was on again what star I spent the day doing some research and found she also work outside the NHS look Mummebaby.com and you will see her what a find I'm going to ask her to help me with my next baby

Shortbutsosweet · 01/10/2013 22:03

Last night's episode was the most sensible one I have seen.
Midwives that genuinely concerned about the women and the babies.
Good to see Tatiana again.

Bue · 03/10/2013 15:25

Love Tatiana!

mignonette · 03/10/2013 15:28

Redlady There won't be independent midwifery soon because they have failed to negotiate an insurance deal and it will be illegal for them to practice without one.

fuckwittery · 03/10/2013 18:59

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mignonette · 03/10/2013 19:10

That is good to know Fuckwittery. Here's hoping it goes to plan as i know they were trying to raise money to underwrite a policy.

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