Dr Who has really gone off, hasnt it?

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Dr Who used to be genius...it`s gone really downhill now hasn't it?

I agree, I love matt. I also loved Chris Eccleston and David T. I'm fickle I am

There a lots of ways of explaining why the doctor can regenerate past 13 - for example, that it was just a Time Lord rule, imposed for political reasons and now the Time Lords are gone, there's nothing to stop infinite regenerations, or that now that Gallifrey is gone and the Eye of Harmony is in the TARDIS, all the regeneration energy of all the lost Time Lords is now concentrated in the TARDIS and available to the Doctor...

nods at rusty , but oh! My version is more romantic (plus, I tend to think river knows all and she knew what would happen in the library and that he will save her, so she's banking those regens. :-)

188 sleeps to 23.11.13

Thank you, experts!

I'm off to amazon...

Ok - sorry other daft question... When was River introduced? Was it in the Library?

Yes, in season 4

Thats what happened to the cash machine thingy from Noel's House Party.

Wrong thread

I have to know - what did happen to the cash machine thingy from Noel's House Party?

Because The Great Intelligence (Richard E Grant) went into the Doctor's timeline and corrupted it, making him take wrong decisions, turning the things he did to evil, changing his personal history, so that all the things he did to save the world/universe never happened. Clara went back and stopped the changes happening.

Like getting William Hartnell to steal the right tardis

I thought it was awesome btw!

My lovely Whovian DS says that John hurt is the ninth doctor between McGann and Ecclestone. He is responsible for ending the Time Wars, and the destruction of the Time Lords. It's actually a plot line I've seen before, in Star Trek Deep Space Nine. Dax, who is one of several hosts of a long lived alien symbiont, discovers an extra host buried in their shared memories, who was blanked out, because he was a murderer.
If DS is correct, then he could have obtained the regenerative powers of any number of others I suppose.

I actually quite enjoyed this episode. Mainly I think, because Matt Smith acted other than just manic and annoying! I cannot wait to see DT back though!

Does anyone think there is anything in the psychic link between River and Clara? There was the psychic link between the ghost and her great great grandmother in the ghost episode...

They tried to get round that by saying that none of the others quite 'saw' her at the beginning. Clearly the Hartnell character responded to her suggestion but didn't register her.

The suggestion seemed to be that the phrase 'run you clever boy and remember' resonated with Matt Smith's doctor so that he did register her.

I love the idea of a hidden doctor before ecclestone. It makes sense that there might have been another one and it brings the idea that a time lord can only have 12 regenerations to this 50 year special. John Hurt is an inspired choice!!

I don't think it's quite the same as Dax. he/she his the symbiont from herself and had no memory of it at all. Whereas, Matt Smith clearly does know exactly who he is and has hidden him as a secret from others.

I didn't think Clara did in fact need to exist until the Great Intelligence tried to wipe the Doctor out, so Clara jumping into his timeline has rewritten again all that has gone before. Also, I suppose The Doctor from Hartnell to Smith is about 500 years old so there must have been millions of people he has met who he cant quite remember. maybe its so unusual because it was so soon

The whisper men reminded me of a Buffy episode. Can't remember what it was called but it proper freaked me out at the time!

Clara did say 'they hardly ever saw her'

I think you're thinking of The Gentlemen in 'Hush' Shipwrecked - they stole the voices of the whole town so no-one could hear the screams of their victims and then took seven people's hearts. V scary episode....

I know the one you mean shipwrecked, they go around stealing everyone in sunny dales voices.

Yes, yes! That's it...brilliant episode!

Do you think that if Moffat goes then Joss would be interested in Dr Who??

Didn't MS say something along the lines that JH was before he took the name "The Doctor" ? I can't remember exactly - must watch again!

So is there two doctors now or no matt smith? I'm confused.