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Dr Who has really gone off, hasnt it?

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Snog · 27/04/2013 19:23

Dr Who used to be genius...it`s gone really downhill now hasn't it?

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RustyBear · 18/05/2013 19:57

I'm thinking maybe John Hurt is the Valeyard

Loved that - but not that we now have to wait 6 months....

MurielTheActor · 18/05/2013 19:59

No No No!
MS is not going....
(don't think Hmm)
Surely there are going to be doctors and JH is the baddie so his future self becomes his own nemesis???

Genius!
(I hope)
Tall about keeping a secret!

MurielTheActor · 18/05/2013 19:59

2 doctors.... obvs

Snapespeare · 18/05/2013 19:59

he loved river, he could always see her, it just hurt too much to talk to her I still think he'll pitch up to the library and get her. She isn't wiped, she's back off to her library.

John hurt is 9. Mcgann regenerated into him, he regenerated into ecclestone. Hurt is the gnocide, the war criminal, the beast. That's why everyone else gets a bad press.

Might have been a bit upset when Jenny died as well. I love vastra and Jenny. They're a fab telly cross species same sex marriage.

RustyBear · 18/05/2013 20:01

Matt Smith has confirmed he's filming Series 8, so I don't think he's turning into John Hurt. I think it may be a way of getting over the 12 regenerations thing....

bryonywhisker · 18/05/2013 20:01

DH who is not a Whovian at all came in right at th e end and said JH is the prequel

marjproops · 18/05/2013 20:05

LOVED seeing all the old docs, especially the pre-titles teaser...where was 8th and 10 tho? did i miss them?

SoftKittyWarmKitty · 18/05/2013 20:07

Is it repeated? I'd like to watch it again.

NoHank · 18/05/2013 20:18

Posted on the other thread as well but I loved it. I also loved the scene with River, made me cry.

Snapespeare can you explain about JH being number 9? I admit I'm not really clued up on the order of them all. I just speculated maybe JH could be a future version of Roses Dr who would obviously age rather than die? But I have nothing to base this on other than he looked like DT from the back and I really thought that was who was going to turn around Grin

FairPhyllis · 18/05/2013 20:28

Hurt is either the Valeyard or he is an aspect of 8/9 from the Time War, I reckon.

fancyanother · 18/05/2013 20:32

Ooh JH being 9 is a good theory. I assumed he was No 25 or something- his future self but that sounds much more brilliant!. And makes sense of Clara saying 'I have seen all 11 of you' and him not answering.

lljkk · 18/05/2013 20:33

8-> 9 is explained. here a little.

Snapespeare · 18/05/2013 20:33

No, mine is just a theory, I think he was so unspeakable during the time war that he's blanked himself out.. So Matt is 12... And with only 13 possible regens, that means the next doctor is the last doctor no. Not at all

NoHank · 18/05/2013 20:41

Um, and to show off my ignorance a little bit more, who or what is the Valeyard

I admit, the only reason I get a fraction of the references is thanks to these threads!

rosy71 · 18/05/2013 20:41

I wondered whether John Hurt was supposed to be the original doctor, i.e. before William Hartnell. Wasn't the first doctor running away from Gallifrey for some reason?

Snapespeare · 18/05/2013 20:44

Yes, I like that too! That Hartnell wasn't the first (& I loved all of the pre titles sequence)

Did anyone see eight?

Davros · 18/05/2013 20:47

Jux, was it the Tabard in chiswick?

overthemill · 18/05/2013 20:51

In our house we've assumed JH was a baddie and Hartnell et al are trying to atone. So JH was the pre Dr who chap. Very confusing. No idea who Clara is, we wondered if she is the Tardis?

RustyBear · 18/05/2013 20:52

The Valeyard was a Time Lord who prosecuted the Doctor for crimes against Time Lord laws (ie interfering in other planets' history) during the 'Trial of a Time Lord' season, which was during the Sixth Doctor's time. It turned out that the Valeyard was actually the Doctor "an amalgamation of the dark side of the Doctor from between his twelfth and final incarnations" I'm a bit hazy about the whole Trial of a Time Lord thing, basically because the whole series was shit (honestly, having watched that one, this current series shines by comparison) so I've never watched it again...

PureDeadBrilliant · 18/05/2013 20:53

I missed the Last Centurian episode, what season was that?

NoHank · 18/05/2013 20:56

Thank you RustyBear It's not the first time you've come to my rescue Grin

TwoFourSixOhOne · 18/05/2013 20:56

Richard e grant mentioned the Vale yard when he was listing the doctors other names....

marjproops · 18/05/2013 20:58

i dont think the 12th/13th doc will be the last, therell be some timey wimey anomoly reversing the polarity explanation.

hope so.

but lets have MS a bit more, his actings brilliant.

Snapespeare · 18/05/2013 21:01

well... When river gave him her remaining regenerations....

RustyBear · 18/05/2013 21:02

Last Centurion was Season 5 PureDead.

The argument against the Valeyard is that up to now the new series has avoided expecting watchers to know more than the basic facts of the Classic series, and if he does turn out to be the Valeyard, they will need an awful lot of explanation.

And also that the Trial of a Time Lord was crap and best forgotten