We hope it's not The Final Problem. Sherlock - 9pm Sunday - BBC1

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I thought it might be an idea to start a new thread for The Reichenbach Fall since The Hounds got its thread up to over 200 pages since last Sunday!

Non-spoilery vague preview description: "Sherlock and John lock horns with their old enemy in one final problem that tests loyalty and courage to their very limits. Sherlock must fight for his reputation, his sanity and his life. But is he all he claims to be?"

BBC link for The Reichenbach Fall

Take note of the later start time of 9pm. Get your deerstalkers and spiffy pocket magnifiers ready!

Body must be to do with Molly. I shall just have to suffer and watch it again. Such a martyr !

Please don't tell me off, but on a non-Sherlock appreciation, more of a Benedict appreciation note, did anyone else particularly like:

Molly: "What do you need?"
Sherlock: (piercing stare) "You."

I hadn't watched this series before last night. Turned it on last night by mistake and watched it - what a great show. Can't believe I didn't watch it before.

Was so upset to find out that Sherlock was dead from jumping, and then my dh said - he won't be dead !!! What a good twist to the end. Didn't know what to think.

Hope they bring the show back.

Agree that he must have landed on the truck, which on second viewing looks like it could have been hospital laundry - lovely soft landing. Molly must have arranged it, and it disappeared very quickly. When you next see the body, it's seeping blood from the head everywhere, but we get a clear view of Sherlock's face - it's unmistakeably him, not a double. So the bodies must have been switched by Molly (and other accomplices?) inside the hospital.
Maybe Sherlock rolled off the truck onto the pavement while John was disorientated and employed Kensigton gore? That said, even a small head injury produces an alarming amount of blood.

Re. "two tributes to the past which only true fans will spot" this explains one of them about halfway through

Mycroft was in on it in the book too. When Holmes was meant to have toppled off at Reichenbach Falls. If they keep true to the story then Moriarty is indeed dead but his henchmen still pose a danger. Mycroft aided Holmes and gave him money to travel whilst also preserving his Baker Street rooms (as Watson didn't live there because he was married).

I do find it interesting how they have focused a lot more on Mycroft in this series. He isn't mentioned much in the books (four stories if I'm correct?) and no other series has given his character such a prominent position. Plus the actor who plays him doesn't look at all like the Mycroft in the books, who is rather portly. However Mycroft was of greater intellect than Holmes (debatable in the series) and did have an important role in the British Government.

I'll shut up now, sorry!

LetUsPrey, I confess to having watched that clip quite a few times again this morning

LetUsPrey - I got the impression that seeing the therapist at the beginning, the "you haven't been here for 18 months" comment was referring to John not seeing his therapist the whole time he was running around having fun with Sherlock? Don't know if that's right or not but I got the impression it was taking place only just after the events of the ep; all you read the news don't you, it's all over the place why I'm here...

I do heart Mycroft - he's being played by Mark Gatiss so one of the co-producers/the writer of The Great Game and The Hounds of Baskerville, and a giant fanboy in all things Sherlockian. He wasn't in the pilot ep at all but that was a 60 minute version; I think the pacing and mystery was much improved when they stretched it to 90 minutes and had him being ominously Moriarty-esque in the middle towards John, and you saw the loyalty to Sherlock already.

The repeated digs from Sherlock to Mycroft about his diet/weight are a nod to canon!Mycroft being very rotund - they decided to make him a yoyo dieter apparently! I think in the stories he was in the Bruce Partington Plans and one other, aside from being referred to in the Final Problem and Empty House, wasn't he? Brilliant, more so than Sherlock, he's the government's Victorian-era version of a computer but too lazy to even be bothered to prove himself right with a disdain for "legwork" and barely leaving the Diogenes Club. Gatiss!Mycroft is pretty different indeed - I like his schemeing and his protective big brother interference, as well as giving someone else for Sherlock to clash with. Still not buying his Moriarty blabbing slip-up as being as obvious as that.

Yup, another one here whose ovaries did a backflip at that clip If you haven't seen it already look up "Benedict Cumberbatch damn good shag" on You Tube [faints]

Poor Molly and her unrequited love.

Oh I didn't know that was Gatiss! Yes I loved the digs too, I think my dh is getting sorely pissed off at the number of times I squeal in delight and try to explain a pun to him. Apparently I'm getting annoying - huh!

The Greek Interpreter givemushypeasachance and yes I agree with you, Mycroft would have done no such thing. In fact he wouldn't have been involved with the interrogation whatsoever, he wouldn't have been arsed! Loved it when he first came on the scene in the series and we were led to believe that he was Moriarty at first, before it was revealed that he was Mycroft. I was shocked and thrilled that they had decided to include Holmes' big brother!

Just watched again and the body definitely lands on the street, not in a laundry truck, whoever the body is?

Anyone seen the hilarious clip of BC on Youtube dancing to michael jackson Thriller, uploaded by his ex gf? It is so funny!!!!

I think that he positions JW behind a low building so that JW can see him at the top of the building but not the duration of the fall,
SH could then fall into the lorry, jump out play dead and then Molly could swop over and do all the pronouncements.
Perhaps Mycroft was also involved in the cover up?
Whatever happended it was awesome and cannot wait for series 3 Please God there is one!

Mark Gatiss is lovely - he's formerly of the League of Gentlemen and did loads of spin-off Doctor Who/Big Finish bits before it rebooted and he was then involved in writing and appearing in that. And he did a fascinating documentary series about the History of Horror films not that long again - he is a self-confessed sci-fi/horror geek. His partner had a cameo as Moriarty's defence barrister, and they live together with a dog called Bunsen. That's about the extent of my stalking of his life to date.

I couldn't believe he was cheeky enough to write himself in as Moriarty when I first saw Study In Pink; they completely took me in with it!

Ooh, give us a link to the dancing!

Just read some more conspiracy theories online.

I'll have to watch it back, but during his final conversation with JW, Sherlock keeps using the words "fake" and "trick". Subliminal "I'm not really dead" message???

I've just ordered the Series 1&2 Blu Ray box set: only £25 on Amazon

applecrumble - I don't think you can see what the body lands on - you can't see what's underneath it as the body is right at the bottom of the screen. It could just as easily be the open top of a truck.

Didn't Gattis & Moffatt hatch their Sherlock idea while making Dr Who? I'm sure I read that they were on a train together from London to Cardiff and chatting about odds and sods when Sherlock Holmes somehow came up and they realised they had a shared love of the stories. By the time they got to Cardiff they'd started planning how to make a modern version

CaveMum - yep that's what they've said - "Unlocking Sherlock" on the series one DVD has them saying how they kept chatting about Sherlock on the train and predicting someone else would do a 21st century version and they were jealous, so in the end they decided to pre-emptively get started themselves!

Can someone recommend which books to start reading? Ive loved this series! I love the geekiness, and the little details like "make believe" in The Sun reporter's house

Please link to the dance-I can't find it

OK, geek reveal here.

I wonder if the tipping point for a renewed interest in things Sherlockian came a few years ago with the somewhat mysterious death of obsessive Conan Doyle admirer and collector Richard Lancelyn Green. Against many predictions, his family gave his archive to Portsmouth City Museum (Conan Doyle lived in the city for a while and even played for the football club in goal!) and the collection is being cataloged and displayed for the first time ever.

On the back of this have followed two excellent modern novels, Graham Moore's and Anthony Horowitz's.

You can start with these two modern novels and work backwards, I would say.

I haven't seen this dance video but from what I can gather from having a search for it, it was a private video that was put up on you tube. If it was an ex girlfriend then he's well shot of her by the sounds of it! I found a discussion on tumblr where some fans were complaining about other fans putting up links to it. Anyway, I think the actual video may now have been removed.

Thanks givemushypeasachance. I got confused with the 18 months thing. I think what I meant was we saw Watson right at the beginning with his therapist saying that his Sherlock was dead and then it came up with a caption ?? months before or earlier. Was it four months?

I'll check back in later because I'm at work and really shouldn't be here!

Have, however, sneaked on earlier to order both series on blu-ray from Amazon.

Also, check YouTube for Benedict Cumberbatch GQ. I linked it on the other thread. Now watch that clip and imagine a riding crop instead of a cane.

SeaShells - there's a FAQ on that point on Sherlockian.net that says:

"A complete beginner should probably start with The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes, either the whole book at one whack or a couple of selections, particularly "The Speckled Band" and maybe "The Boscombe Valley Mystery". Those are among the best and at the same time the most characteristic of the stories. After the Adventures, maybe The Hound of the Baskervilles, and after that, whatever. Reading the stories in order is a very bad idea because the first one in particular, A Study in Scarlet, was written when Doyle was young and still learning, and is not by any means either strong or typical."

Silver Blaze is my favourite - a brilliant mystery and source of the famous quote about "the curious incident of the dog in the night-time".

I have just ordered the first series on DVD today. But then I remembered that I hate ordering BBC DVD's because they quite often have a different soundtrack because of rights reasons. It's just something that really bugged me about my Being human DVDs when I bought them. Although I probably won't notice it so much with Sherlock.

CaveMum I assumed SH using 'fake' and 'trick' a lot was for the benefit of whoever was (inevitably) tapping the phone conversation, but I think you're onto something there.

Mycroft and Molly definitely involved in some sort of body swap. Mycroft was supposed to be even more intelligent than Sherlock so don't buy the mistake, even to Moriarty. And the grave was suspiciously flat for a new one.

So long since I read the original that I can't remember the ins and outs - had trouble getting to sleep last night trying to work it out!

Found out a bit more about that dance video on tumblr. Apparently it wasn't his ex girlfriend who released it, someone hacked her and then posted the video on you tube. It was never supposed to be made public, and his ex was very upset about it all.