Doctor Who series 6 (split between Spring and Autumn)

[Ripeberry]

What do you think of this? And when does it start? Could you stand the wait over the summer, or is it a godsend?

"SoupDragon: your post about the 2 Doctors for 200 years - not sure if that's the only option. I'm pretty sure that in the first ganger episode they'd gone forwards that same 200 years. So the Doctor was gangered at about the same time as the ep1 Doctor was shot. So double doctor may not be for that long (especially as I can't see how a ganger Doctor would time travel and so would just have linear aging."

Except the Shot Doctor said how old he was - a ganger made in that time frame would surely believe he was the same age as the Real Doctor? Time travel is easy (now there's a phrase you don't say every day!) - he could have one of those things Captain Jack and River had. There are plenty of options for how this pans out though. :)

[head explodes]

Would he, though? Why would a ganger have to be on the same timeline as the real Doctor? If they can move away from each other spatially, then why not temporally?

What I meant was that they would have started out at whatever age the Real Doctor was at the time of "cloning". The fact that the gangers were created, say, 200 years in the future wouldn't make the copy 200 years older.

As an aside, your post made me giggle... A year ago, there were road work signs here that said "Speed bumps moved temporally". I imagined them having been zapped out of time :o

I will be so disappointed if it turns out to be a ganger doctor (i don't want it to be the real doctor either) but I want to see something new and exciting not the same story being re-done. It just seems to easily guessed if that is what the ending will be.

I will be so disappointed if it turns out to be a ganger doctor (i don't want it to be the real doctor either) but I want to see something new and exciting not the same story being re-done. It just seems to easily guessed if that is what the ending will be.

Three pages to catch up?

I need to watch it again, watching on Patientline whilst expressing is not the most efficient way to follow a programme like Doctor Who anyway! I did have a moment over the line "you call her Mummy not big milk thing" as I'm feeling like a "big milk thing" rather than a mummy right now as my baby is downstairs on the unit.

I think Rory was in the outfit to get himself back into character.

Sometimes everyone tells him he's just dorky Rory and he forgets that is is all the stuff that Amy was saying to Melody at the beginning of the episode. This was him going out and saying "listen up, I am the Last Centurion, I waited for thousands of years, and you do not want to mess with me".

JackieNo, brilliant find! That was 4 years before he even wrote Curse so he must have been playing with it awhile!

I thought ganger-Amy prefered ganger-doctor because they were both gangers. I thought it was one of the clues for the real-doctor.

I loved Rory in this one, I will be sad if he leaves the show soon.

I have to admit, the Steven Moffatt quote wasn't my find - it was a link that DH had found somewhere, and I searched for it again. We loved Joking Apart - he did quite a lot of timey-wimey messing about with people's heads in that (not quite in the same way, of course), and in Coupling too, the episodes were often told back to front/from different people's perspectives etc.

The Doctor living 200 years isn't unlikely, I always get the impression there's more to him than what we or his companions see. I think it's the companions we follow rather than him.

(Hoping I don't spam you all trying to catch up)

CONGRATULATIONS confuddled!

The Doctor who died spoke about doing things for 200 years, then getting bored and sending the postcards. Whoever it was, was 200 years older

Thank you Aitch

Anybody else disturbed by the thought of Rory and Amy losing their baby for, well, forever? Since presumably their baby goes off to be raised by silents in an astronaut suit and then lost somewhere on Earth and regenerated and so forth. Simply meeting your baby as a middle-aged woman wouldn't really make up for that - I'd be traumatised for life I think....

I am but I'm ignoring that bit otherwise I'll never let go of dd3 I'm concentrating on the mystery stuff

I am, I think it will be awful if they do lose Melody forever. Agree meeting her as an adult wouldn't make up for it. Am hoping that they get her back. River did say "Amy, I know you are not ok, but you will be." Am hoping this is her way of saying that she will see her again therefore knows that she is ok? (but am probably grasping at straws here.) I am getting too emotionally involved in Dr Who now!

I think they do get to be in Melody's life. After all, River has already lived her childhood, but Rory and Amy haven't, so there is no reason why River couldn't be keeping it from them in order not to disrupt her own past, IYSWIM. I believe that's why River couldn't help to rescue Melody, as she had to let events play out leading to her own abduction. If Amy and Rory had escaped with melody it would have changed River's own past.

It does mean that River will have to disappear from Rory and Amy's lives - you can't raise a child and also hang out with the adult version of your child, can you?

River said everything changes when the Doctor knows who she is. It's possible for time to be rewritten sometimes. So is nothing 'written in stone' - everything that has been could still be different iyswim

My head hurts reading this thread! I'm off work sick so i'm going to spend the afternoon watching old River episodes, see if that helps string anything together!

But did River recognise Amy when she saw her for the first time? If she had grown up with her mother she surely would recognise her. I wouldn't have thought she could hide her surprise/delight at seeing her without a flicker.

Assuming, of course, River was going to be Amy's child at that point in the writing. I wonder when they made that decision?

In Time of Angels River says to the Doctor you still don't know i am do you? So think they've been planning who River is for a while. Time of Angels was Rivers first appearance with eleventh Doctor / Amy wasn't it?
If River and the Doctor are meeting out of order, as in the Doctors future is Rivers past, then surely when River meets Amy, that would be the last time River sees Amy, as the next time she would meet the Doctor would be tenth Doctor in the library?!

Yes we haven't seen River's first meeting of Amy yet, it could be that she (River) has known her all her life. We've only seen the first meeting from Amy's perspective.

I realise this is a hopelessly basic question but was anyone else at all enlightened about the nature of the Doctor's relationship with River (apart from her being the daughter of his friends)??