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Struggling with having a teen daughter who is struggling/having issues ***SUPPORT THREAD***

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SockGoddess · 13/02/2023 12:07

Following on from MsAnnThropic's thread about struggling with a 13.5yo daughter, we found there were several of us in the same boat with unhappy, angry, difficult and/or themselves struggling teen DDs, and agreed to start a thread where we can discuss, vent and handhold.

Mine is actually only just about to turn 13 but I feel like I'm on edge all the time because of the nastiness and explosive rages, my work is suffering as she often misses school too (i WFH thankfully), and she refuses to accept any counselling or other support even though we have worked so hard to have them available. I'm so worried about her as I think it arises out of her deep anxiety, hormone storms and all the stress of puberty, the usual young teen friendship issues and changing schools. Anyone would be in a state and I want to help. But at the same time I'm often reduced to a weepy wreck and sometimes it feels like it will never end - though intellectually I do have hope she'll find a way to come though it.

Dear struggling mums of teen DDs one and all come for a chat, Brew, handholds and hugs.

We would also love to hear reassurance from those whose DDs have been like this and come out the other side, and what if anything helped.

I may not be able to post much for a bit as having a relative to stay soon, but will check back in asap.

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SockGoddess · 19/03/2023 20:35

yes the helpful suggestions from people whose kids respond to being firm and telling them what they have to do and using consequences. If just telling them what to do and imposing consequences worked we wouldn’t be in this situation!

it’s like the bloody naughty step when they were toddlers. “Oh I just send Harry to the naughty step” etc. well that’s nice for you, you have a child who hasn’t worked out that they can just scream no and refuse to stay on it! DD at that age would give me a withering look as if to say “FFS woman, I’m being a stroppy disobedient nightmare, what makes you think that will change if you say “go and sit on that step”?” 🤦🏻‍♀️

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Shitsandwiches · 19/03/2023 20:54

haha - yes I think we can safely say our girls are smart and strong willed!

WhippetyStourie · 19/03/2023 23:21

Shitsandwiches thanks for the hug. Much needed. I can disengage from a lot - if she has given up on school then that ultimately will only affect herself, I can close the door on the filthy hovel of a bedroom, if she sleeps on a bare mattress because her sheet is on the floor and it's too hard to pick it up then I know the rest of us are sleeping in comfort. Likewise I have stopped asking for her washing and offer her dinner and shrug when she refuses. What I can't disengage from is the drug use and the disappearing overnight or longer. It makes me so anxious that she will be back sleeping rough again and we will never get her home.

Shitsandwiches · 20/03/2023 00:13

Do you know what drugs it is Whippety?

Sounds like you're handling it really well in the circumstances. Is it proper 'sleeping rough' alone or is she disappearing off with a druggie crowd and waking up in various different places? Druggie friends in squats kind of thing?

Keep strong x

WhippetyStourie · 20/03/2023 07:33

Meth/ice - really couldn't get very much worse. She has been at various times out on the city centre streets, carparks, squares, railway station all night sleeping in doorways or also disappeared off with complete strangers to their homes. Since being 'back home' she has failed to come home twice and both times stayed with other people so an improvement on a doorway but these are people she has just met, she has no concern for her own safety (part of the borderline personality disorder).

Shitsandwiches · 20/03/2023 21:10

@WhippetyStourie do you think there's anything that you could do in a way to make home more appealing? Sounds absolutely trite I know, but for instance, does she like animals? Do you have any pets? would you consider getting a baby version of what she might like? Not so obvious as a direct gift to her, but more of a ploy - something new and shiny in the home that might hold her attention?

You've really got me thinking about my own teen years. I was a tearaway, I was miserable at home for various reasons and if I were to write it down here all the things I got up to aged 14-17 it would sound terrible. It would sound like the complete opposite of who I am. Granted I didn't sleep in doorways, but I got into a bad crowd, there was drugs, disappearing off for weekends, hanging around with unsavoury characters, not caring about myself for a while, broken relationship with my parents, dropped out of college with no a-levels - and now here I am moaning about my DD!

I remember my mum and dad getting Sky, it had just come to the UK. It was definitely a ploy on their part and I remember it peaked my interest. Teenagers are shallow! My mum also made me get an office job instead of resitting a year of a-levels as I was just not focused. Getting a job, earning money, gradually moving on from the bad crowd and meeting new people was also the beginning of the fresh start. I know your girl isn't at that age yet, just wanted to say keep the faith, but keep boundaried too for your own self-care. I think you're handling it amazingly - kids can be hell! FlowersFlowers

Shitsandwiches · 20/03/2023 21:23

Got home tonight to DD2 in bed. It was an Inset Day today! I went in and spoke to her, told her if she doesn't try and work on her sleep schedule then there's nothing I can do to help her - she started yapping about how this is all my fault after our row on Saturday morning - the usual blame of me for everything, and I said absolutely No! You are not blaming me for any of this - she then said get out I want to 'try and get back to sleep'....which I have taken as her meaning she's attempting to sleep a full night tonight to be up at a reasonable time tomorrow morning, to be bright and breezy and ready to do some online school work!! I'm sure that's what she meant Grin
Hope everyone well Flowers

ItsCalledAConversation · 21/03/2023 12:42

Shekissedagirlandshelikedit · 14/02/2023 15:58

Totally agree with this. We're going through hard times but acknowledge its due to the process of separation that ALL teens go through in varying ways. It's also common in the animal world, although animal mothers font take any shit and literally kick them out to survive on their own 😆

Despite her behaviour we tell dd every day that we love her and we understand what she's going through and aways are there for her. She ignores us but I'm sure it's going in. I can't imagine ever referring to these times when she's through the worst, unless she brings it up first. We'll be healing and getting on with life and will leave difficult times in the past.

Thank you, I’m am sure you are a lovely mum and your daughter will grow to be appreciative that you didn’t judge her for what she was going through. Toddlers have tantrums and that’s accepted by everyone. Nobody decides they’re awful and undeserving of love. 10 short years later we expect tantrum behaviour to be a thing of the past, when it isn’t.

Shitsandwiches · 21/03/2023 21:02

Hey everyone
I'm back to square 1 again. This is how it always is. It's the cycle of hope then despair. I don't want to despair, I want to feel good that my kids are happy and doing well, going to school and building a future for themselves, and I can then do the same for me - build a better life.

But I can't. HOY called me today - said they'd agreed to a part time timetable, need to work out which English group she'd likely go in, which lessons is it in particular DD doesn't like/feels most anxious about? Could I try and get her in for double geography with him tomorrow. Then she can just go home again if she likes, or talk to him in the break.

I just 'fucking hell' ok sure?! I'll see what she says. Well - got home to DD1 upset because she'd come home to DD2 in bed being horrible, having not taken the dog out or fed him. DD2 had been texting me in the day asking me to come home. Feeling overwhelmed by the online stuff SW had sent her, there's so much to catch up on she can't do it. I'm like ffs! I told you not to get overwhelmed by it, just make an attempt and do what you can. Haven't spoken to her tonight because she's in a vile mood and I'm not welcome in there. I wouldn't dare say what the HOY had suggested as she will hit the roof.

I'll email him tonight and say - I had really wanted her to start art therapy at least before trying to get her back in. She's not going to be in tomorrow or the rest of this week. Sorry.

That saying, 'live life like you're the star in your own movie' - I don't think they meant The Exorcist.

Chrysanthemum5 · 21/03/2023 21:49

I'm so sorry @Shitsandwiches sometimes it is so hard to keep going, but we are all behind you

Garageinconstantuse · 22/03/2023 09:36

Sorry to all those struggling. My dd was home yesterday (genuinely seemed a bit poorly with a cold), and today has hurt her back and can hardly walk so she's off again. On the plus side at least we didn't have to have a fight about getting out bed/going to school for the last two days...

lollipoprainbow · 22/03/2023 10:49

@Shitsandwiches same ! Dd went in yesterday after a week off, came out very happy and said she liked it. This morning she's refusing to get dressed and go in. I give up !!

SockGoddess · 22/03/2023 12:49

Sorry shitsandwiches - I know that "square one" feeling so well. I guess it happens because they're trying, then it gets too much again. But it's exhausting going round and round.

I don't want to despair, I want to feel good that my kids are happy and doing well, going to school and building a future for themselves, and I can then do the same for me - build a better life.

Yes. And I think about that better life a lot. A life where I can actually do things, have hobbies that take me out in the evening, see friends, even go away overnight while DD stays with her dad, and live with a DD who is basically happy and managing, and not about to kick off every second or disrupt every plan. I know she's suffering too, and I want things to be easier for her - but selfishly, I also just want a happy home where I'm not constantly stressed and on edge. I am holding onto hope that we'll get there - not sure how right now, but if nothing else, her brain will mature with time, and she might realise there are different ways of coping with her feelings.

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SockGoddess · 22/03/2023 12:52

Oh and lillipop yes the chopping and changing, aargh. My DD has stressed over PE for months, tried to get out of it, forgot her kit on purpose, just missed the whole day because of PE. This week she loves PE apparently Confused. But one untoward remark from a teacher or a frenemy being mean about her top or something and it will flip back.

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SockGoddess · 22/03/2023 12:54

I mean lollipop sorry!

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stayathomer · 22/03/2023 12:59

My sons are both going through the ups and downs of hormones, sadder is my 13yo who seems surprised when he gets angry and upset, if it helps anyone the other day could I asked could I just sit with him when playing on his games console and we just sat there in silence until around half an hour in and then we had fun. But that doesn’t always work, sometimes he just says he wants to be alone. Hope it all works out for everyone, I miss the easier worries I had and hate tiptoeing and also hate that I probably go ott when things are going well trying to hang onto good times

lollipoprainbow · 22/03/2023 13:44

@SockGoddess it's so restricting this life, it means I can't do things I want to. I enjoy my job and like going to the office but can't whilst my dd is refusing school so I'm working from home which I find isolating. I planned to go into work today and do a nice big shop afterwards. Now I've got to take dd with me and it'll probably cost twice as much !

Shitsandwiches · 22/03/2023 21:49

Hey everyone Flowers

Just echoing what you all say, that we're not selfish for wanting a normal life and to be happy. Actually - I think as good mums, when our kids are good we're good, and when they're not, we're not. We're unsettled and sad. Someone at work told me that 'you're only as happy as your unhappiest child' and that struck a chord.

My local council is crap, there's not much support on their website - but I was given some advice today by someone who works in education and pointed me in the direction of this below from a council that isn't mine. Really good advice on EBSA. There's also a version for teachers. I've been reading it tonight and then feel guilty because I've had a day of arguing with DD2 on whatsapp as if she'll just get adult logic. But, I've just gone absolutely zero tolerance on her idea that she can be permanently homeschooled. She just can't - and it's quite freeing actually to say a proper no. I'm going to do my best to support her, but she has to engage. I will even move her to a new school if she feels she can't continue where she is because of the shame. I had thought moving school wasn't a good idea in Year 10, but it can't get any worse!

Her response to me today was that she wants to be fostered Grin

Emotionally Based School Avoidance (hertfordshire.gov.uk)

https://www.hertfordshire.gov.uk/microsites/Local-Offer/Media-library/Documents/Emotionally-Based-School-Avoidance-Parent-guidance-PDF-642kb.pdf

Teatime55 · 23/03/2023 09:34

I’ve made a new plan this week. When DD is in school I don’t go home. Sometimes she’s not in for long and i need to get out of the habit of just coming home. I need to be getting out of the house.

Had another educational psychologist report this week and it’s all just the same stuff we know. I suppose it’s useful to have, but it still pushes the idea that will go back into lessons soon, and I don’t think she will.

SockGoddess · 23/03/2023 09:58

Hi all, hope you are loving the spring sunshine (if you're getting some)☀

My DD is off again today but I'm trying to be understanding as she has done so well, she's gone in every day for over a week (not all full days but adds up to most of the time) and she is absolutely exhausted. Last night she got very angry and difficult, and I could see it was getting on top of her, she didn't sleep well, and it turns out she would have had to do a presentation today that she was terrified about.

I don't want her to have to cope in school and "go back to school" in a normal way if she really can't cope, but at the moment she wants to, but gets overwhelmed and anxious. Because she won't accept any help or counselling and the CAMHS waiting list is also v long, there's no immediate hope of finding out if she has ADHD (and/or something else) and getting treatment - but if we can get to that point, she might find it easier eventually.

I think as good mums, when our kids are good we're good, and when they're not, we're not. We're unsettled and sad.

Thanks for this shitsandwiches, it helps.

I've been using the Feeling Good app, which is an NHS thing - you can get a GP to refer you to get the full version but the free version is good too. It's a mindfulness app and you do little meditations and I think this is helping me feel stronger. In one of them you imagine you're in a hot air balloon and looking down at your past and future, and you can see happy times ahead, which I really like. So I recommend it if you have time.

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Chrysanthemum5 · 24/03/2023 20:25

@SockGoddess it's great that your daughter has been going in even if she didn't make today!

Not a great few days here. E was supposed to have a French speaking test and the teacher offered to use online to make it easier. But she just couldn't do it. We had a bit of a grump with each other and she was annoyed with me because I was crying (in another room where I thought she wouldn't see me).

Later on we made up and I've put it into perspective- if she doesn't pass her exam then fair enough. Me being upset (and embarrassed that I couldn't get her to the test) doesn't help.

I think the thing that shocks me just now is that when I tell people about what is happening there are so many people who tell me they are going through the same thing. It's a silent epidemic

Icantpeopleanymore · 25/03/2023 10:59

I've rejoined mn to look for advice/support, I'm hoping it'll help but I'm also feeling like I might get obsessed with all this and I'm almost at my wit's end with thinking about it all the time.

This will be long, sorry, but just to get everything out there...

Nearly 13 year old DD, diagnosed autistic at 10.
Masks at school, but main issue is she struggles with changes to routine, doesn't get social interaction really, think it all confuses her, she doesn't like being touched, everything is on her terms, have to be very low demand. Anxious and socially very anxious, crowds etc. Goes mute if demands too high. Can't talk to adults. Sensory issues too, possibly hypermobile and dyspraxic.

Went through a period of about a year where she was physically attacking me, breaking stuff, not attending school about once a week or more. Thankfully that's abated but I think it's just that we are all dealing with it better and just don't put too many demands on her.

She's angry all the time. Started off accepting the diagnosis but gradually has been less accepting. It's not cool to be autistic.

Decided she was non binary, changed names several times, now apparently 'aroace' and a boy. Oh but she also likes boys. This has changed about a million times in the last 3 years. No signs of this at all until the last couple of years since puberty. I know all this from her tumblr account and her phone, which I check. She will not speak about any of it to any adult, it's all just with her friends and online. She's got very restricted access to social media, considering shutting down Tumblr but I'm just monitoring it for now. Discovered she's been going to a pride club at lunchtime and I think there might be a couple of teachers who support this, which is tricky because I don't think they realise it's not as simple as her being a poor little gay teen with unsupportive parents...she's incredibly vulnerable to suggestion and to fitting in, even if it's fitting in to a weird little group.

Last 6 months she's been restricting food, searching for anorexia etc.

Only just come to light, monitoring it, school aware, she's lost a bit of weight. Seeing GP soon as it's really set in now, over the last month she's stopped eating at school. Again, all from snooping her phone. Has periods of eating really well for a few days then back to nothing for a few.

Now is convinced she's got tourettes, keeps posting about tics, she does have a few but nothing to the extent she's saying online. Also saying she's having panic attacks at school...school have seen no evidence.

She's moody, rude, sarcastic, sulky, downright bitchy about me online (I'm transphobic apparently because I suggested she might not want to cut her hair crazy short as it's too thick and wouldn't be easy to manage🤣) she's not a bloody boy FFS, she's an autistic girl who started her periods at 10 and is desperately trying to fit in somewhere, unfortunately the school have a few girls like that, they all hang out in music at lunch and I'm sure all bitch about how terrible their parents are, how they all have anxiety and tourettes, they're all non binary or trans...she's unfortunately found her tribe. I thought it was a good thing but it's made it more complicated.

She's searched suicide, running away, all sorts. Self harms, not too often but last time was the worst. Constantly searching tourettes and anorexia.

There's so much. I'm separated from her dad and he's a good dad but very distant, ASD too, undiagnosed, bit of a robot. Drinks too much, never tells them he loves them or really tries to cuddle or anything. Not involved day to day, travels a lot for work. I do everything and I work full time teaching. We both have new partners and it's been three years since we split, I stayed in the house to keep things the same for them and we get on fine, they've never seen any tension since we split. I had feelings for someone else towards the end of our relationship, talked to him about it and he said he was unhappy for years, didn't want to try anymore, I got very depressed, then lockdown, we split up, he moved out in summer 2020. I'm with my partner a couple of nights a week when ex has the kids, he's met the kids recently and they really like spending time with him, I don't think any issues there. He's really supportive and I honestly don't know what I'd do without his support. I don't have friends, they all disappeared over the last few years. Too much bother when your kids won't leave the house or do activities.

I have days where I could happily run away myself.

But then I have days like yesterday, she was chirpy, chatty, we watched Hamilton, she ate junk food, and a good dinner, she cuddled up to me on the sofa and talked about school and loving drama and music...was like having my little girl back. Then there's this other side to her, the one that bitches about me online and to her friends and says she wants to kill me for eating cereal near her.

She won't do therapy, is angry if I even suggest things to help.
I honestly think she actually enjoys being miserable because it suits her alter ego to be that way.

I'm at the end of my tether, I worry about her all day when at work, I can't function or look after myself. I love for my time away from her but also feel guilty for feeling that way. My life is just endless walking on eggshells, trying to deal with various people to get help, talking to school, checking her phone to see how much she's eaten (she's got a calorie counter app) and crying on my way to work. I'm so tired.

Shitsandwiches · 25/03/2023 11:01

Yes we're definitely not alone chrysanthemum Flowers I think so many more people are going through this now because of lockdown. Kids who were already possibly predisposed to anxiety or neurodivergence and were not big fans of school to begin with were shown that you can school yourself online at home in 'safety' and have struggled ever since with getting back into it. Especially when you chuck hormones into the mix.

DD and I haven't spoken all week. I've barely seen her. I spoke to the SW yesterday. We've decided that DD2 responds much more to 'visual' instruction rather than 'verbal'. So - this weekend I am going to draw her up a timetable to pin up in her room of her school lessons as if she was in school, I need to add in there a couple of dog walks and maybe an errand like going to the shop to get something for me - and then also do a meal plan of what we're having for dinner every day and have that up in the kitchen.

She might not do any of it, and that's ok for now, I'm not to tell her off and be in anyway emotional myself - but I need to start doing that every week so that she can visualise the boundaries basically and know what's expected. I understand that she will start to feel 'safe' with that. I then have a part time time table from the HOY for the first week back after the Easter Hols and so that's the goal - to get her back through the door of school at least once that week. I've got to take her to see the art therapy room next Friday, and then she's going to go back and meet the art therapist the following week. That's the plan anyway. I'm not telling her yet that the plan is to get her back to school eventually.

Thanks for the app suggestion Sock, sounds good, I'll have a look at it. Hope you're ok.

Good to look after yourself too Teatime and factor yourself into the plan! Totally know what you mean about just being told the same things we already know.

Have a good weekend everyone Flowers

Icantpeopleanymore · 25/03/2023 11:02

Sorry that was so long. I've started reading posts and had to check I hadn't posted before as so much rang true for our situation.

Shitsandwiches · 25/03/2023 11:13

Hi @Icantpeopleanymore we crossed posts! All I can say is I totally hear you, you're in the right place here - I'm a fulltime single parent as well, we're all struggling with our very challenging teen girls and their myriad issues, exhausted, worried sick, feeling out of control and powerless, the ups and downs of evenings like you had last night with her where it was lovely and you dare to hope that things might be ok again, and then it all hits again the next day and you're back treading on the eggshells. Sounds like you're doing your absolute best Flowers