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DD(17) pregnant again with the same useless dad

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StrugglingNannyNan · 22/06/2025 15:05

First time posting, long time lurker. Just need to let this all out because I feel like I’m losing it.

DD is 17 and had her little boy nearly 11 months ago. She’s back at college, doing well considering everything, and I’m really proud of her for sticking it out. But she’s just told me she’s pregnant again. And it’s by the same boy who’s 16 now and still completely useless.

Bit of backstory. They were together when she was 15. He’s a few months younger, December born, so he was the year below her in school. They were together for about 6 months. Then he left her, blocked her when she told him she was pregnant, and moved on with someone else. She didn’t tell me until she was around 5 months gone. He popped back up after the baby was born saying he wanted to be involved, and eventually they got back together properly.

He’s been in foster care most of his life and there’s always something going on. DD constantly defends him, saying he’s struggling mentally and that he’s a “good dad really,” but he’s not. He stopped smoking weed for a while after the baby was born, but he’s back on it now. I’ve got a strong feeling he might be dealing. He gives DD money and he’s not working or in college. Just sat his GCSEs and didn’t revise at all. Said it was pointless and barely turned up half the time.

He’s not capable of basic parenting. Can’t change a nappy properly even though DD’s shown him loads of times. He doesn’t know what the baby eats or when he naps. A couple of weeks ago the baby fell off the sofa while he was supposed to be watching him. He’d gone outside to vape. I completely lost my rag. I shouted at him, properly shouted, and he just stood there looking at the floor. Didn’t say a single word. Not even sorry.

The hardest bit is the baby absolutely adores him. Always smiling at him, lights up when he walks in, wants to be around him. And when he’s holding him, he looks like a proper dad. But the second he needs something, or starts crying, or needs changing, he passes him off. It’s me or DD who do the actual parenting.

His foster carers are trying their best but you can tell they’re at the end of their rope. They’ve said he lies, smokes too much, doesn’t clean up after himself, won’t listen. Social services are involved with both households. Ours have already raised concerns about him being around the baby unsupervised, especially now that the weed’s back. But DD plays it all down. I don’t think they even know how much he’s actually around.

Now this pregnancy. DD was supposed to be on the pill. She says she messed it up. She’s only a few weeks, but I just feel sick. She hasn’t told him yet. Says he’ll freak out and she can’t deal with it. And honestly, I don’t think he’ll step up. He didn’t the first time and I can’t see him suddenly changing now. I know I’ll be the one holding it all together again while he just floats through doing the bare minimum and being praised for it.

I love my daughter and my grandson more than anything. But I’m tired. I feel like I’m watching her tie herself to a life that’s going to make everything ten times harder. And I don’t know how to help without pushing her closer to him.

OP posts:
wandawaves · 23/06/2025 12:49

Holluschickie · 23/06/2025 12:46

That baby is already being looked after and supported by her poor mum. This thread is about pregnancy no 2.

You said if she can't support a kid, she shouldn't have them.
She's already got one. Should she put it back?

Honestly, the replies on this thread...

ParmaVioletTea · 23/06/2025 12:50

LadyKenya · 22/06/2025 15:32

This is a bit harsh, but raises a good point. The OP has outlined the young boy's problems, but her Daughter obviously is vulnerable, as well. She is the one having to do all the hard work, she does not understand the impact it will have on her.

And the OP seems quite passive in the face of her DD's behaviour. I's odd behaviour of both DD and the OP.

Cherrytree86 · 23/06/2025 12:55

wandawaves · 23/06/2025 12:49

You said if she can't support a kid, she shouldn't have them.
She's already got one. Should she put it back?

Honestly, the replies on this thread...

@wandawaves

Of course she can’t put it back. But she shouldn’t be actively deciding to have another one.

wandawaves · 23/06/2025 12:57

Cherrytree86 · 23/06/2025 12:55

@wandawaves

Of course she can’t put it back. But she shouldn’t be actively deciding to have another one.

I totally agree! But no one can make her have a termination. It's really not as simple as everyone is saying.

Cherrytree86 · 23/06/2025 13:01

@wandawaves

no obviously she can’t be forced.

she does need to know that Op is not prepared to co-parent two children with her nor is she prepared to financially support her and her two children. She needs to know the thresholds of OP’s support in order to make an informed decision as to whether or not to continue with this pregnancy.

MumChp · 23/06/2025 13:01

wandawaves · 23/06/2025 12:57

I totally agree! But no one can make her have a termination. It's really not as simple as everyone is saying.

It isn't simple. At all.

But grandmother has the simple right to say "not under my roof and I won't pay for it".

Daughter can make a plan for her and two children with SS. She turn 18 yo and a grown up with two young children.

pikkumyy77 · 23/06/2025 13:04

I feel sorry for the boy, actually. He is incredibly vulnerable and the OP’s dd is treating him like a chew toy. She wants to turn him into a father and family member who will never abandon her (unlike her own father). But does he want that? He never had a chance at a family life himself and he very likely doesn’t want what she wants. He wants the sex and the affection but he doesn’t want to be a father or the main financial support of a family.

OP’s daughter needs some serious therapy to get her to understand that she doesn’t have the right to force this boy into a father shaped hole.

Robynxoxo · 23/06/2025 13:29

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Sunnyevenings · 23/06/2025 13:32

Cherrytree86 · 23/06/2025 13:01

@wandawaves

no obviously she can’t be forced.

she does need to know that Op is not prepared to co-parent two children with her nor is she prepared to financially support her and her two children. She needs to know the thresholds of OP’s support in order to make an informed decision as to whether or not to continue with this pregnancy.

This in a nutshell.

Most adults stop having children when they reach the capacity for being able to provide for them emotionally, practically and financially.

The OPs DD needs to do the same.

saraclara · 23/06/2025 13:36

Merryoldgoat · 23/06/2025 10:37

Exactly this.

It’s not about having a baby as a teenager, its about the individual circumstances and the maturity of the couple.

My brother daughter had a baby at 15. The father was younger than her. My brother was devastated.

But despite looking absolutely shell shocked when we saw him after the birth, the lad stuck by her and proved himself as a good and involved father, and they were proactive in finishing school, and learning trades. Two decades later they're still together, really hard workers, with two young adult kids.

IHaveAlwaysLivedintheCastle · 23/06/2025 13:39

pikkumyy77 · 23/06/2025 13:04

I feel sorry for the boy, actually. He is incredibly vulnerable and the OP’s dd is treating him like a chew toy. She wants to turn him into a father and family member who will never abandon her (unlike her own father). But does he want that? He never had a chance at a family life himself and he very likely doesn’t want what she wants. He wants the sex and the affection but he doesn’t want to be a father or the main financial support of a family.

OP’s daughter needs some serious therapy to get her to understand that she doesn’t have the right to force this boy into a father shaped hole.

I agree. He's clearly not had a great start in life and the OP's daughter at one stage was over 16 and having sex with an underage boy.

x2boys · 23/06/2025 13:43

IHaveAlwaysLivedintheCastle · 23/06/2025 13:39

I agree. He's clearly not had a great start in life and the OP's daughter at one stage was over 16 and having sex with an underage boy.

There was only a few months between them so that's largely irrelevant
Yes I know you will tell me its illegal but the police have no interest in prosecuting two teenagers for having consensual sex.

Bloozie · 23/06/2025 13:48

MumChp · 22/06/2025 20:24

Forget all about the boy. He will never be a good dad.

Why isn't she on a benefit? She isn't working? And she wants to have child number two?
How does your daughter think you support a family?
You babysit do she can see friends? You should babysit then she is studying hard and working hard to support her child!

What does the dad pay? I wouldn't go with this 'he pays what he likes then he likes' no way.
FFS they are parents they need to sort their sh*t instead of you paying.

I would really cut down on finansiel support.

That's really harsh. He needs to be taught to be a good dad, and the chance to be a good dad. We can't write someone off at arm's length, at 15.

Gyozas · 23/06/2025 13:49

Bloozie · 23/06/2025 13:48

That's really harsh. He needs to be taught to be a good dad, and the chance to be a good dad. We can't write someone off at arm's length, at 15.

I think we probably can here.

MumChp · 23/06/2025 13:52

Bloozie · 23/06/2025 13:48

That's really harsh. He needs to be taught to be a good dad, and the chance to be a good dad. We can't write someone off at arm's length, at 15.

Yes. It would be nice.
But with two babies the grown ups around these two children have even less time to support him. I would as a mum or grandmum expect 0 from him. His fostercarer might try to help him as it's her job but it's not an easy task. The boy won't be more involved or a better dad having another baby.
Most likely he will just disappear from the childrens' lives before they turn 5.

Gall10 · 23/06/2025 13:57

colonialwomanonthewing · 22/06/2025 15:25

I don't think it's a horrible thing to say at all. How many have we seen the same story play out - young, troubled, drug using (and dealing) men with existing SS involvement are convicted of shaking or otherwise harming their own child? Thankfully OP's daughter sounds like a good mother, but he sounds less than a waste of space and I'd want him out of my life, and those of my children and grandchildren, asap. Leave him to his vape and his lies.

ok….most of us realize he’s a waste of space, but the daughter needs to take a long hard look in a mirror & see where she’s failed herself and her child.
Children having children with other children doth usually not make a happy life (but usually makes a very unhappy, worn out granny).

Comtesse · 23/06/2025 14:39

pikkumyy77 · 23/06/2025 13:04

I feel sorry for the boy, actually. He is incredibly vulnerable and the OP’s dd is treating him like a chew toy. She wants to turn him into a father and family member who will never abandon her (unlike her own father). But does he want that? He never had a chance at a family life himself and he very likely doesn’t want what she wants. He wants the sex and the affection but he doesn’t want to be a father or the main financial support of a family.

OP’s daughter needs some serious therapy to get her to understand that she doesn’t have the right to force this boy into a father shaped hole.

What an extraordinary take on this situation. OP’s daughter is not “forcing” the boy to be a father - he is doing that himself by impregnating her. She is choosing to keep the baby but he’s made his choice too.

FWIW I feel sorry for him too - and the daughter - and the existing baby - and OP trying to keep them going.

IHaveAlwaysLivedintheCastle · 23/06/2025 15:28

FWIW I feel sorry for him too - and the daughter - and the existing baby - and OP trying to keep them going.

The only person I feel sorry for really is the existing baby and the one to come.

StrugglingNannyNan · 23/06/2025 15:35

I will be encouraging DD to get a job now college is finishing for the summer. I did understand where she was coming from before with not working during college as any part-time job would likely be weekends too and she’d hardly get to see grandson at all. But that’s just life sometimes and it’s time she started doing more for herself and her future.

I still can’t believe she’s pregnant again. She got good GCSEs and is doing really well at college. She’s been looking forward to next year too as a big part of her course will be on placement and she’s genuinely excited about it. It’s like she was finally on the right track and now this again.

He didn’t revise at all for his GCSEs. DD helped him here and there but I told her it wasn’t her job. A lot of the time he was on his phone not listening and then telling her he didn’t understand anything. She tried but it was pointless really.

They’ve got a 9 month age gap between them. He was 13 and she was 14 when they first met.
14 and 15 when grandson was conceived, 15 and 16 when he was born and now they’re 16 and 17. Before she got pregnant life at home was normal. It was just the two of us and we were close. She was doing well at school and had a nice group of friends. All that changed so fast after she got involved with him. He was constantly running away from placements and not going to school. She started skipping school too. I didn’t like him from the start but I didn’t say anything to her because I knew it would just push her closer to him.

I honestly didn’t think they were serious. He blocked her after she told him she was pregnant and that was that. Then she didn’t tell anyone else until she was over 5 months gone. She wore baggy clothes and covered it all up. I was shocked. Absolutely shocked. He wasn’t around when she had the baby and barely got in touch. Then suddenly they were back together and I wasn’t happy. I still think he’s dragging her down.

She didn’t tell him yesterday because apparently he was in a mood because of an argument with his foster carer. She said she was going to tell him once grandson had gone to sleep but then he started going on about how he’s going to ask his social worker to move him and if they say no he’s just going to leave anyway. Said he’s going to tell them that straight. I do feel sorry for him in some ways but he also seems to be creating drama for himself. His foster carers seem genuinely lovely and really trying with him.

I just feel like I’m watching her go backwards.

OP posts:
Holluschickie · 23/06/2025 15:45

I really don't believe that saying anything to teenagers drives them into the arms of others or makes them go no contact or run away. It's not my experience or the experience of most of my friends.

I said a hell of a lot and I continue to say a hell of a lot. I think you need to say more. A lot more!

Calliopespa · 23/06/2025 16:04

Poor op and poor baby.

Can’t quite work out what to make of the two copulating teens but I do wonder if him not taking it well might be a blessing in disguise in terms of dd coming to her senses about a second baby.

Please hang in there op for your little grandson; that child really needs you right now while these parents sort themselves out. Here’s hoping they will.

ThreeLocusts · 23/06/2025 16:19

OP not sure I have useful advice but want to commiserate. What a difficult situation.

DD is still so, so young! And has been under this boy's influence for formative years. Her loyalty is understandable and honourable, but I'd want to highlight the abortion option all the same. If it can be done without criticizing dad explicitly, maybe it'll work.

Poor you and poor DD. Hope you find a way through.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 23/06/2025 17:09

She didn’t tell him yesterday because apparently he was in a mood because of an argument with his foster carer. She said she was going to tell him once grandson had gone to sleep but then he started going on about how he’s going to ask his social worker to move him and if they say no he’s just going to leave anyway

In light of what you said about him blocking her when she got [regnant the first time it couldn't be more obvious that she's avoiding telling him for fear he'll do the same now ... which might actually be no bad thing if it encouraged her to think proceeding with the pregnancy is a terrible idea

Sorry, but as already said there's rather too much being left for the children to decide for my taste, and with them already having created such a mess I'd suggest a LOT more adult input's needed - and not by looking after the kids for them

oldmoaner · 23/06/2025 17:12

Well, if she couldn't tell him because he was in a mood and then couldn't tell him because he was going to ask to be moved, what does that tell her? It tells her she's going to be walking on egg shells all the time. Please try to make her see this, and that by having another baby won't make him stick with her, more likely drive him away, and she will be a single mom on her own with 2 kids.
I really hope she makes the right decision and gives herself and her son the best chance of a good life.

DavidBrentsGuitar · 23/06/2025 17:22

Bloozie · 23/06/2025 13:48

That's really harsh. He needs to be taught to be a good dad, and the chance to be a good dad. We can't write someone off at arm's length, at 15.

You can if you're middle class and see these people as beneath you (apparently) 😉