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Dd 13 has shut down and won’t talk to us

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Justonecat · 14/03/2023 11:23

Dd is so unhappy. She has no friends, she is at a school which is (mostly) demographically different from us, and she hasn’t made any real friendships.

Her academic performance has really deteriorated to the point where she is below average in every single subject (used to be in top sets in primary and had CATs of 133 just as a reference).

Up until recently she was involved in a sport which took up nearly all her spare time since about seven years, she was successful but we couldn’t really tell if she enjoyed it or if she resented spending so much time on it.

We have had something like 12 discussions with her, trying to understand why she is having these academic/social/motivational struggles, but she can’t really explain. She doesn’t say anything. We offered her to change schools, even home school, to keep her sport, to do more of the sport, or to quit, but she did not express a preference one way or another, so we were at a loss.

Something was clearly making her feel pressured and it was clear that her situation wasn’t working for her. She swears she isn’t being bullied, or harassed online or in person, or anything like that. There is some low level unfriendly behaviour towards her in school such as people not wanting to sit next to her in class and such, but nothing more than that.

We recently made the difficult decision to take her out of her sport. We hope this will give her more time to catch up on her studies without the time pressure, and to hopefully connect more with people at school. We have encouraged her to join a few after school clubs so she has something to do, and we are also hoping she will make friends this way. It’s hard, as this sport was a huge part of her life for so long, but school has to come first, so we didn’t feel we had any other options.

Did we make the right decision? What can we do to make her talk to us?

sorry, this probably doesn’t make much sense, but it just felt good to write it all down.

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nolongersurprised · 16/03/2023 11:04

Sorry - just read it wasn’t swimming. But presumably something as ultra-focused.

Appearance played a bigger part in it than I thought for my DD. I was very much, many teens get spots, it’ll settle but it really dented her self esteem and getting her skin clear and her braces off made a big difference. It sounds very superficial!

Itstillgoeson · 16/03/2023 11:09

Justonecat · 14/03/2023 12:24

I have to say I am happy to hear we are not the only ones with an uncommunicative teen… Good idea re health insurance - we do have coverage through husbands work so I will check our policy. Thanks!

Quality time with her would be lovely but we are a big family and it’s hard to fit in 1-2-1. She has had almost daily alone time with me in the car going to and from her sport, if that counts… and she could have had all the time in the world with me had she opted for home schooling or a break this next term, I only work part time so would have had lots of opportunities to do things together, but she did not seem very keen on this model.

Did she have a social life with the sport? This may be another reason to go back to it.

For quality time, can you make the car journeys to/from sport (if she goes back to it) more enjoyable for her - favourite music, favourite snacks, an occasional stop off after to get a treat (Bubble Tea or whatever she would choose).

stargirl1701 · 16/03/2023 11:10

OP, I would consider de registering her from the school until July. Give her breathing space with no academic demands at all. Look at all the school options for next Sep.

Can she start horse riding at a local stable? Being around animals can make a big difference. I would also consider getting a puppy.

My eldest DD is autistic. She does RDA and the school provides a therapy dog both of which have been very beneficial. We now have a dog (Lab) and she also now rides after school too.

Salverus · 16/03/2023 11:17

Dd says she never wants to go back to it, and that she doesn’t even want to follow her sport as a spectator anymore

Ah, OK. Too much pressure at too young an age. I blame all the ridiculous new competitions there seem to be these days. A local private school bleats on about kids being European champions at the age of 9 and 10.

So it was your dds decision to leave the sport, not your dhs. Have you asked her what else she'd like to do? I couldn't agree more with the pony idea but I realise that isn't an option for many.

Bunce1 · 16/03/2023 11:25

Salverus · 16/03/2023 11:17

Dd says she never wants to go back to it, and that she doesn’t even want to follow her sport as a spectator anymore

Ah, OK. Too much pressure at too young an age. I blame all the ridiculous new competitions there seem to be these days. A local private school bleats on about kids being European champions at the age of 9 and 10.

So it was your dds decision to leave the sport, not your dhs. Have you asked her what else she'd like to do? I couldn't agree more with the pony idea but I realise that isn't an option for many.

I think DH drove the decision and NOW the daughter doesn’t wNt to go back to it. Sad.

Justonecat · 16/03/2023 11:31

Bunce1 · 16/03/2023 10:57

Getting at 13 year old on meds is a gargantuan task to convince GPs to do so. It takes such a long time to do this usually.

I think you’ve gone in thinking-

something is wrong- we must fix it” but to actions and pushing pushing and medicalising her. Adding medicines, withdrawing activities until she bucks up.

Im really worried that you and your husband are not united on this.

I think you’ve got your approach wrong.

restart the sport.

her ambivalence is really worrying and is an expression of her feeling. The “don’t knows” are telling you that she is intact deeply unhappy.

does she have a phone? Does she have similar clothing/stuff that her peers have?

The gp has not prescribed anything, these meds can only be prescribed by a psychiatrist following an assessment, which was very thorough. We held off on meds for three years but about a year ago we decided to give it a try, as it had been recommended to us, and we felt that it would be unfair to dd to not try something which could end up helping her. I don’t feel we have pushed her into being medicated at all, we are simply trying all the help which is available to her?

It’s frustrating to be misunderstood and I feel it details what has otherwise been such a helpful thread.

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nolongersurprised · 16/03/2023 11:33

Ah, OK. Too much pressure at too young an age. I blame all the ridiculous new competitions there seem to be these days. A local private school bleats on about kids being European champions at the age of 9 and 10

This is my last detail, but swimming is awful for this. I went to an interesting talk about how only 10% of swimmers are consistently good all the way through, and how by 15-16 you’ll get some idea of actual potential, but not before.

But it doesn’t stop parents (and coaches) talking up the potential of 12 year olds and training them into exhaustion. All of the swimmers at primary age that have been feted by their parents as the next Aussie champs have given up a few years later.

Justonecat · 16/03/2023 11:33

@Bunce1 and yes she does have a phone and the same kind of clothes/brands which the other girls around her are wearing. I try to tick all those basic boxes (within reason) to ensure she feels like she belongs

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nolongersurprised · 16/03/2023 11:35

Derail, not detail

Bunce1 · 16/03/2023 11:36

I think given your update in response to my message then there seems to be much more going on for your Dd than you know. And so I would return to the psych who did the prescribing. I still think a ten year old being prescribed medication is not “mild”. I can’t shake the feeling that something is off here.

Sorry but something just ain’t adding up. from my personal and professional experience (even if you go private) giving a ten year old meds is quite rare. And not for “mild” But that’s juts my perspective. Something feels off.

Justonecat · 16/03/2023 11:37

Itstillgoeson · 16/03/2023 11:09

Did she have a social life with the sport? This may be another reason to go back to it.

For quality time, can you make the car journeys to/from sport (if she goes back to it) more enjoyable for her - favourite music, favourite snacks, an occasional stop off after to get a treat (Bubble Tea or whatever she would choose).

We did listen to her favourite podcast and had snacks in the car, all those things, I personally enjoyed our little moments together in the car.

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Justonecat · 16/03/2023 11:39

stargirl1701 · 16/03/2023 11:10

OP, I would consider de registering her from the school until July. Give her breathing space with no academic demands at all. Look at all the school options for next Sep.

Can she start horse riding at a local stable? Being around animals can make a big difference. I would also consider getting a puppy.

My eldest DD is autistic. She does RDA and the school provides a therapy dog both of which have been very beneficial. We now have a dog (Lab) and she also now rides after school too.

I’d do this in a heartbeat! But I don’t feel I can unless dd really agrees with it, I have offered it but she just says she doesn’t know. It is so frustrating! For her too I imagine

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MarshaBradyo · 16/03/2023 11:40

The low level exclusion and worries about looks can be huge to a 13 year old.

Maybe it’s just really getting her down and she can’t see a way out

Justonecat · 16/03/2023 11:43

Bunce1 · 16/03/2023 11:36

I think given your update in response to my message then there seems to be much more going on for your Dd than you know. And so I would return to the psych who did the prescribing. I still think a ten year old being prescribed medication is not “mild”. I can’t shake the feeling that something is off here.

Sorry but something just ain’t adding up. from my personal and professional experience (even if you go private) giving a ten year old meds is quite rare. And not for “mild” But that’s juts my perspective. Something feels off.

At the age of ten, she was diagnosed with adhd. The psychologist suggested we look into meds, which would need to be prescribed by a psychiatrist, but she also said we might want to see how she got on without them - classroom adjustments, a better understanding of her personality and more support with structure and organisation might be enough.

One year ago we decided to explore whether meds might help her, the jury is still out on that as far as I can tell.

What do you have in mind when you say something is off?

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nolongersurprised · 16/03/2023 11:45

It’s tricky because “I don’t know” could mean I DO know but I wish you’d leave me alone to work though things myself

OR

“I don’t know” means I’m struggling and I need your help with decisions and some strong boundaries.

For our DD it was the latter, I mean, we picked our battles, but she needed to know what was expected of her. I appreciate it may be the opposite for your daughter though

nolongersurprised · 16/03/2023 11:47

Justonecat · 16/03/2023 11:43

At the age of ten, she was diagnosed with adhd. The psychologist suggested we look into meds, which would need to be prescribed by a psychiatrist, but she also said we might want to see how she got on without them - classroom adjustments, a better understanding of her personality and more support with structure and organisation might be enough.

One year ago we decided to explore whether meds might help her, the jury is still out on that as far as I can tell.

What do you have in mind when you say something is off?

Where I live (and work) none of this would be “off” for a 10 year old. Meds for a 10 year old would probably be considered starting on the later side 😂

Justonecat · 16/03/2023 11:49

MarshaBradyo · 16/03/2023 11:40

The low level exclusion and worries about looks can be huge to a 13 year old.

Maybe it’s just really getting her down and she can’t see a way out

Absolutely. It definitely can. I’d help dd if it was anything specific like teeth or complexion but it’s more vague than that… it’s that age when your facial features don’t develop in harmony so to speak, some parts of you grow faster than others, that sort of thing… it’s normal, I went through an awkward stage looks wise around the same age, you grow into your looks at some point or you just get used to it. Just have to get through those years when you are still too young for makeup and colouring your hair etc, once you can play around with those things it gets more fun again

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Bunce1 · 16/03/2023 11:49

I don’t know- but it feels like you have done a comprehensive exploration of what her needs are and responded to that and it’s been working well up until recently.

COuld be puberty?
Could be low level (but very damaging) bullying. Not having a peer group at this age is tough.

id go back to your mental health professionals who have met Dd before and start there. even If it’s juts you for now going for some advice

Salverus · 16/03/2023 11:50

Book a holiday? Might be too late for Easter but a summer holiday? Does she have siblings? Perhaps she could take a friend?

Justonecat · 16/03/2023 11:55

Yes she has siblings, and yes we do have a little trip booked over Easter, nothing fancy but still a change of scenery.

@Bunce1 she is definitely missing a peer group. I think that’s been hard on her. It started towards the end of year 6 when most of her best friends from
primary went to the same two or three (private) schools and she was the only one to go to a state secondary. She sort of drifted off from her friends from then on. We still see some of them every now and then but of course they have all moved on somewhat

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Bunce1 · 16/03/2023 11:56

could you afford for her to attend the school with her old primary mates? She could get a scholarship?

Justonecat · 16/03/2023 11:57

I think the social side of things is probably at the root of all of this, to 90%. It’s the one thing I can’t really fix for her… friendships come easier when you are at ease with things, when you are comfortable in your own skin, so it’s a chicken and egg scenario we have

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Bunce1 · 16/03/2023 11:58

Do you think the lack of interaction at school is racially motivated?

I would give some serious thought to moving schools.

Bunce1 · 16/03/2023 11:58

Justonecat · 16/03/2023 11:57

I think the social side of things is probably at the root of all of this, to 90%. It’s the one thing I can’t really fix for her… friendships come easier when you are at ease with things, when you are comfortable in your own skin, so it’s a chicken and egg scenario we have

It really is. I feel for you.

Dodgeitornot · 16/03/2023 12:00

Poor thing. Just coming back on here to suggest maybe you go for walks or runs with her. If she is already feeling self conscious about looks, it'll be quite a shock once her body is changing from an athlete to an average teenage girl.
And again, I do suggest looking into Elvanse.