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Teenagers

Parenting teenagers has its ups and downs. Get advice from Mumsnetters here.

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Is parenting a teen adversely affecting your mh?

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Pegsinarow · 25/03/2019 14:32

I'm going through what feels like hell with one of my teen's atm.

Today she has told me that I'm a failure, that she hates me, that she wishes I was dead. The expression on her face was really hateful when she said it.

Normally I can shrug this off as "usual" teen angst. I was even advising my friend the other month about not taking this sort of stuff too personally.

But I am really struggling too now. Partly I suppose because my confidence isn't great anyway owing to the menopause.

Sorry if this sounds too "woe is me" but I just feel really crap atm.

Anyone else?

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strawberrisc · 27/03/2019 03:25

Just catching up on this now. It’s MASSIVELY clear how much we love them from this thread. We need to support each other and also them and plod on. Maybe we should update ANY positives as they come along?

strawberrisc · 27/03/2019 03:28

@Midlifemumofteens

Please don’t accept physical violence. My daughter has MH issues but I only accepted it once and told her I’d call 101 if it happened again x

Pegsinarow · 27/03/2019 07:33

Midlifemumofteens and Whoops75 hope you are both ok this morning (or as ok as possible in the circumstances). Flowers Flowers

Teaforthewin do you have teens? All I can say is that from the evidence of this this thread, this behaviour is quite common.

I found your post a bit confusing though. If a teen was under great stress or developing a disorder then surely, the last thing they would be is a dickhead?

I'm happy to acknowledge all sorts of parenting errors (don't worry I'm
pretty certain most of us on here go to bed on many nights thinking "where did I go wrong?") but if you don't mind me speaking bluntly, implying that (a) my daughter's a "messed up dickhead" or (b) she needs a pyschiatrist - in the tone that you have used - is not altogether helpful.

If you are saying that in your experience this behaviour is not normal, that I should look again at my parenting techniques, and my daughter possibly needs psychological help - then fair enough - but there are ways of doing that that don't make posters who already feel crap, feel even crapper.

Strawberrisc YY we should definitely log the positives!

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Whoops75 · 27/03/2019 07:56

Good morning & thanks,
He left for school without us meeting.

WhoopiGoldbergsCat · 27/03/2019 08:11

Ha whoops75
Same here!

I cannot wait for this stage to pass, or until he goes off to uni in 2 years time...

Pegsinarow · 27/03/2019 08:16
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MachineBee · 27/03/2019 08:47

I wish I’d seen this thread when I became a SM. I may have coped better with the vitriol that arrived when the eldest three were teenagers. In that situation I felt even more impotent and most of my friends just breezily said they were just being normal for these days teenagers. I did have some nonsense with my own DDs but it was worse with my DSCs. I possibly wrongly assumed it was because I was their SM. If I’d realised how widespread the vile verbal (and occasional physical) abuse is I may have reacted differently.

MachineBee · 27/03/2019 08:51

As for the positives, my eldest DSS is finally starting to treat me with a little respect and is more helpful. He’s 25 Hmm. And my own DDs are in their 30s and are lovely to spend time with these days.

Whoops75 · 27/03/2019 09:15

School just rang
They are refusing to teach him and we have to collect him.

Pegsinarow · 27/03/2019 09:22

That is good to know Machinebee! Especially since I imagine the complications that go along with step-parenting make this sort of scenario even more challenging!

Btw, I totally "get" that feeling WhoopiGoldberg'sCat about it feeling a very long time until uni. It's strange because at the same time, while desperately wishing to have some peace and calm back in my life; I worry all the time if DD is away at friends or on a school trip! It's so contradictory!

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Pegsinarow · 27/03/2019 09:24

Oh no Whoops75 sorry to hear that. Is that what he was hoping to achieve by dyeing his hair? Sorry you are having all this stress to deal with.

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girlandboy · 27/03/2019 09:45

You are definitely not on your own. DS is nearly 19 and is lots better, but from about 14 he was horrible. I hate to say that about my child, but he was.
And like a pp said, he told me that at least he wasn't "taking drugs and shagging on the park like some". He had a point I suppose.

But it did come to the point where I just couldn't cope and I broke down in front of DH. It wasn't just down to our DS but most of it was.
DH suggested I have a break for a few days, so I rented a cottage and did just that.

And it was a bit of a shock to DS. I told him I was going away, and his words were "It's because of me isn't it". He wasn't wrong!

But yes, things do improve over time, but bloody hell it's been the hardest, most horrible period of my life.

Flowers and Cake for you!

GatherlyGal · 27/03/2019 10:09

Whoops75 is it because he dyed his hair? If so I think that's a bit crap of the school tbh. Mine bleached their hair and our school which is fairly strict on uniform etc said nothing.

If school won't have him I do feel for you.

I've been telling myself that as a parent you just have to do a good enough job and if they behave in this way it is not something we can control, or that we have caused. Also the swift mood changes angry to calm or very low to reasonably happy can happen so quick that as a parent you are left reeling from something for long after they have just moved on. Sometimes the failure to apologise could be just that they don't feel like that anymore and just don't get how horrible it was for you.

I also believe they act out in this horrendous way when they have a safe and loving environment in which to do so. Little comfort I know when you are in the thick of it.

I do recommend getting some support when its really bad. We had some sessions with a family therapist and it just gave us a small insight to what is going on in that tumultuous teenage brain. Also to have a professional confirm you are doing the right things can be quite a help.

Love to everyone going through this.

Whoops75 · 27/03/2019 12:47

The hair was the last straw,

He has gotten loads of help but won’t listen to the experts or us.

He came in the door today and said ‘ I’m not worried there’s loads of other ways to get to Uni’ his friends has a friend who did it!! He fails every time to see the path he goes down is a million times harder.

He is in victim mode now because we’re cross/upset.

Sorry for hijacking your post OP

X

GatherlyGal · 27/03/2019 12:51

At least he wants to go to Uni Whoops. That's something!

The decision making of a teenager makes no sense to anyone else.

Pegsinarow · 27/03/2019 13:43

Whoops75 you are not hi-jacking at all! It's all part and parcel.

One of the hardest things about parenting a teen is stepping back and watching them make mistakes or take the wrong decisions.

Gatherlygal thank you for very wise words; all of that makes a lot of sense. I'm absolutely certain they don't fully understand the impact of their words. I'm trying to focus on the "good enough" ATM, and what you say about them kicking off at home because it's a safe place to do so, is v reassuring.

Girlandboy just seeing that you have written down "it's been the hardest most horrible period of my life" makes me feel a little less batty and inadequate! I'm so sorry you have been through it though, and glad that things do get better eventually. I'm visualising your lovely peaceful get away country cottage now with roses around the door! Smile

Hang in there everybody!

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MissusSee · 27/03/2019 16:34

Thanks all of you - I am getting some comfort from the idea that it will pass and everyone else’s experiences. Yet I’m concerned because most people report that their children can be pleasant sometimes - my daughter never is - it’s verbal abuse and arguments all the time. Not sure where the line betweeen erratic teen behaviour stops and mental health problems starts?
I can’t help myself from nagging at her because she is doing NOTHING work-wise and is a bright girl. I feel helpless sitting back and watching her on self-destruct.
I want to cry every time I see mothers with young children, full of hope and optimism. Also when I see other teenagers from her school who seem so together and doing well.
Love and hugs to you all xx

Squeegle · 27/03/2019 17:50

I have honestly found the only way to get on with my DS is not to nag him, particularly about school. If I am calm, things are immeasurably better. I have now stopped trying to help in virtually every way. Believe it or not it has improved things. Difficult though. I would agree this is definitely the hardest part of my life so far. I feel like weeping when I look at pictures of us when he was smaller and we were all happy to be together. Oh well, I will just keep on hanging in there and hopefully come out the other side. It’s hard, but it helps to know there are a few of us in this boat.

JonestheMail · 27/03/2019 18:01

I can identify Missus. My DD is a bright girl who was predicted all As and A stars for her A levels after her GCSEs. She is massively self sabotaging by failing to go to many of her lessons and doing no work. When confronted she flat out lies and bites my head off.

I'm already wondering how to make myself scarce when she gets her A level results in August as I'm sure it will all be my fault. Meanwhile she is sweetness and light to her father who was abusive to me and turned out to have been having affairs throughout our marriage. I don't say anything, but by god do I feel hard done by!

BBCK · 27/03/2019 18:34

I feel your pain! My DS is just starting to improve as he approaches 18. It has been hell, although not as bad as for some of you. Again, I am the parent who is the target, not his dad. In lucid moments he has admitted that he doesn’t mean any of it and he loves me with all his heart. But these are rare glimpses. To make things worse, I am fully menopausal and spend my day teaching teenagers in a challenging inner-city secondary school. No respite from rude, ungrateful teenagers ☹️

FelixTitling · 27/03/2019 18:46

My dd is like this a lot. She can be Vicious and manipulative. She refuses to eat my cooking, lies and twists words and seems hell bent in falling her gcse's. And, like a pp, I'm supposed to be grateful she's not pregnant or on drugs.

But, underneath that is still my little girl trying to grow up and make sense of the world. She's still funny, intelligent, sarcastic, practical, dependable and empathic. It's just harder to see at the moment. She still sleeps with her teddy fgs.

I start each day with a good morning kiss when I wake her up and tell her I love her every night. I refuse to let her push my buttons, and when she does manage it, I tell her I'm sorry for losing my temper.

All persistently unreasonable behaviour leads to a natural consequence, so repeatedly picking arguments in the car means she now very rarely gets a lift. She has to do her own washing since she screamed at me for not having done it.

But, I try to balance this out with little things such as asking her if she'd like a brew when I'm making one, or bringing her magazines that she likes.

I let her be independent as possible. I follow her lead regarding communication,
make myself as available to her as I can, never give unasked for advice and I don't nag her about school work. We have a few basic rules around phone use, keeping in touch and manners, but mostly I've accepted that this is her life, she'll make some mistakes, and we'll be there to catch her.

I've read every parenting book in the land. I've no idea if I'm getting it right, but after having had a shit year, it feels like we're turning a corner.

There's some fantastic advice on this thread, and it helps so much to talk to other parents. I'm lucky enough to have group of school mums who are incredibly honest - we keep each other sane I think.

Pegsinarow · 27/03/2019 19:00

Crikey BBCK you deserve a medal! I'm seriously grateful to all teachers but particularly teachers of teens.

Interesting that the vitriol seems to be aimed largely at us mothers.

Jonesthemail that sounds so hard Flowers. You have every right to feel hard done by!

Squeegle it's the sense of helplessness one feels that is particularly stressful I think. I sometimes wish DD could read my inner mind and see how much I love her and worry about her. But when words come out of my mouth, she seems to interpret them as an attack when they are anything but!

MissusSee Sorry to harp on about the "Untangled" book again but it does contain a useful section about what's "normal", when to worry, when to seek help etc. It's quite sensible I think. I definitely recommend it.

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Pegsinarow · 27/03/2019 19:09

FelixTitling your dd sounds great! And you sound like a great mother! What you describe sounds like a good balance. I will try and implement some natural consequences I think. The "no unsolicited advice" and "no nagging about hwk" would be a bit harder for me though! Blush

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MissusSee · 27/03/2019 21:54

Thanks JonestheMail and Squeegle - totally identify with what you are saying - it’s so heartbreaking. Ironically I am a teacher of teens too and I thought I might enjoy this stage because I have always loved working with this age group, yet am currently off work because of the hell my daughter is putting us through.

Pegsinarow - I loved the “Untangled” book and it helped so much, but now I just find it depressing because I feel my daughter is in need of extra help, but there is no way of accessing anything until she agrees. I have seen a counsellor myself, attended family mediation/counselling with my husband, seen the GP, talked to the school and EWO, rang helplines, read books, but frustratingly no path forward.
Thank you for starting this post - it couldn’t have come at a more appropriate time and in a strange way provides some comfort. Love to positive thoughts to you all xx

Midlifemumofteens · 27/03/2019 23:11

"I can’t help myself from nagging at her because she is doing NOTHING work-wise and is a bright girl. I feel helpless sitting back and watching her on self-destruct"
I can identify with this completely, MissusSee! At least DS went to school today, but goodness knows what tomorrow will bring and I can't bear to watch the promising, bright, articulate young boy I love turn into a rude, lazy, hateful adult! What strikes me from these posts is often the feeling of loss we are all coping with. Sending hugs Sad

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