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Codeine addiction

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madein1995 · 06/04/2018 20:22

Hi

I'm new here so please be gentle. I'm posting here for traffic, and just want to know about others experiences of codeine/co codamol and how they've overcome it.

I never really used it a few years ago. Mum had it (prescribed) and I'd take a tablet or two when in pain (dislocations etc). When I came home from uni I was unemployed and really down/depressed for about 5 months, and I started taking it heavily then.

Since then, I've used in stages and in different levels. I've gone through periods of using it every day, during the day, only using it at night, and of course withdrawing when the prescription ran out. It sounds daft, but the feeling it gives me is incredible. Providing I know my limit and don't take too many tablets that I feel rough the next day, I'm fine. I'm more positive, cheerful, happy, and I sleep better. I honestly feel sometimes there's no downsides. I function perfectly normal and noone in real life would guess. Mother doesn't notice her prescription going missing as she never uses it (ironically as she doesn't want to get addicted).

I'm not stupid though. I know it must be doing me some harm though. When I withdraw my body aches, I have diarrhea, I have restless legs, I have worse sleep and I suspect that physically at least I am dependant on it.

I can't admit it to anyone in real life. I hate withdrawal. I feel so on edge and down all the time, and part of me can't wait til next Wednesday for mum's prescription to come in, to have more. At the same time I'm going through withdrawal and I'm thinking what is the point in going through this only to have to go through it again, in the future. I want to join the police in the future and know that my cocodamol use will need to stop for this.

The fact that I feel so down without it scares me. I feel really depressed, and I don't know if it's a result of withdrawal or just not medicating. It's not right. I was a lot happier three years ago, and I have been through some stuff since then (not dramatic, unemployment, being assaulted, unemployment, bad family relationships). But surely I should be able to move on from that? I can't let on to anyone that I'm hurting inside, and I should be able to move on from that. I can't afford therapy.

Basically, I'm very confused, a bit scared and a lot fed up of going through withdrawal all over again. I would appreciate support if anyone has been through the same thing.

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NotAnotherNoughtiesTune · 13/06/2018 22:59

You need to keep going.

I know it sounds harsh but you're destroying your vital organs. 4g of paracetamol in one night could easily give you paracetamol poisoning.

Honestly, I'd present at anA&E department (therefore not local doctor) and tell them what's happened. They can help you and also check for kidney/liver failure.

I sincerely hope you soon see how worthwhile you are and throwing your life amend dreams away on some tablets will never be the answer.

Tomorrow is just a day. But so is today.
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BettyBaggins · 14/06/2018 18:03

You have such a bright future ahead of you @madein1995. You really do.

Do you have to tell parents you are having counselling? I really think you need to get some support in place to help you through this phase, staying off the pills, preparing yourself mentally to leave home to ensure you have support in place when freedom reminds you you can do anything you want when you live away from parents.

Its a horrid situation that you tried to tell people about the abuse but now you are too old to go to social services as a vulnerable child. Unfortunately there are certainly some areas, and I am afraid rural Wales is one, where the good/bad old days are a more recent memory. I am not surprised you cried when writing it here but you know crying is good, its part of your healing process, it is a sad thing that happened but you have control now to build a positive life of your own choosing. I know its hard to look back and realise what you have been through. But if you want to work supporting people the best way possible you need to step onto the healing journey and move forwards. How exciting to live in the city with much more for you to do and new supportive friends to make. You will get there!

Hows the gym? You managing to go with the new job? Could you tell dm that you are the gym when you are at counselling?

Any pill taking this week? Flowers

madein1995 · 15/06/2018 21:24

New job is really good, thanks. I'm getting into the swing of things now. I'm clearing tasks quite quickly and really getting into the zone, I'm quite enjoying it. I'm not getting stressed which is good. I listen to music (through headphones) in work which is good - boss doesn't mind as long as I get the work done.

Gym is going really good too. Gym is local to me - spend an hour there at most, no way I could make it to and from a therapist in an hour. My bad stomach has gone now. Part of it could be work, maybe. I get so engrossed in my tasks that I forget to eat then all of a sudden it's 2pm, I've been working since half 7 and I realise I'm starving!

I really want the job in city which is far away. Deadline is 9am Monday so I'm going to blast it out tomorrow. I doubt I'll get it - I'm not getting my hopes up so I won't be so disappointed. I've found similar jobs all around the country so will apply for those too.

No tablet taking this week, until just now. Had a bad headache and it's been one of those weeks, and I still had a strip of tablets left so took two. I'm not proud of it, but being honest.

Question for mnetters better informed than me. One of the requirements for job is knowledge of legislation relating to safeguarding. I do have that, one act I know about is a Welsh act which doesn't apply to England but content is similar to (later) English version. Should I mention it in application or not bother as it doesn't apply to England?

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BettyBaggins · 15/06/2018 21:39

Include it. Its relevant. Good luck!

IcedPurple · 15/06/2018 21:53

Interesting discussion.... coincidentally I happen to be taking cocademol (Solpedol) which was prescribed for a toothache from hell.

It has succeeded in knocking out the pain (which nothing else really managed to do)... but it's also knocked me out! Feel drowsy and felt I was going to vomit, but happily have been able to hold food down thus far. It's OK as it's Friday evening and I can just go to bed, but I wouldn't want to take it if I actually had something to do. Powerful stuff.

madein1995 · 15/06/2018 22:24

Just been brooding a bit tonight. I've got a way to go, I know that. It shocks me now thinking how bad things got. They're not perfect now, but tonight I've taken two and that's hopefully it for tonight, I don't feel off my face but pleasant. This time last year I was a mess, looking back I'm surprised I lived through it tbh. I was taking her tablets left, right and centre. From the moment I woke up to the moment I went to bed, I'd be buzzed. 2/3 tablets would last me maybe an hour, hour and half, then I'd take more. It scares me how bad I was.

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madein1995 · 15/06/2018 22:43

I'm getting a bit maudlin now. You're probably all sick of the sound of me, it's just putting things out there really helps. I can't thank you enough for your support. I've had a bit of a drink (not much, just 3 - small - bottle of smirnoff ice) and getting a bit down. Saw an old baby photo on the wall of me, all happy and cute in a frilly dress. I just thought - how I get from that to this

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BettyBaggins · 15/06/2018 22:49

Be gentle with yourself op. Its natural to feel sad as the emotions you have been hiding from by using surface but remember, the worst is behind you. Look forwards, get a good lie in. Big respect for keeping up the gym and settling into new job. Keep chatting, I bet you are helping others reading but not posting too Brew

madein1995 · 16/06/2018 09:07

I'm feeling a bit bette now. it was thinking of things that's threw me off - theres a reason I lock those memories away. When they come back to me, things get a bit rubbish. Just not thinking of things now. It's silly anyway. I can't do anything about the past so no point brooding - I need to focus on the present, and thinking of those memories won't let me do that

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Chewedupcucumber · 16/06/2018 15:02

It sounds like you’ve been suppressing your emotions for a long time, in part because your parents won’t let you express any negative emotions.
It’s ok to think about things that have hurt and upset you in the past and feel sad. Your processing things, it’s ok not to be ok xxx

madein1995 · 16/06/2018 21:26

Thanks guys. I definitely do suppress negative emotions. It's daft - if others are upset in work I don't think they're weak at all and would comfort them and understand them - but if I got upset in work I just know I would feel so weak. I do try to be strong, which never works as I'm soft as better and very sensitive. I really take things to heart and it's hard to seem happy and chirpy. I know I do - everyone thinks I'm so happy and cheerful - in Tesco everyone marvelled how I was always cheerful to customers etc.

Doing ok tonight, though it's becoming a weekend thing now to take tablets and sleep more or less the whole time. Spent the whole morning in bed, came down at 12 then napped on the sofa from 2 til half 4. Having a few cocktails now.

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madein1995 · 17/06/2018 11:57

she's on full form this morning. In a nit picky, bitchy mood - I've literally just come down and she's in an arsey fucking mood. I can't be doing with it. Just wish she'd piss off. She can't use the excuse she's tired, she didn't work last night so just being a fucking bitch

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madein1995 · 17/06/2018 16:20

I've emailed application across, deadline not til Wednesday. Am getting myself in a tizz though.

If successful, interview will be Wednesday 27th June. As city is a while away, I'd travel up day before, stay overnight in hotel then do interview and come home. Obviously I wouldn't book train tickets until I knew I was successful (might increase in price but nothing doing about that). I could book 26th and 27th off work but don't want to waste 2 days off for no reason - might not get interview, but also can't leave late to book leave.

My plan was to go into work on the Tuesday for 7.30am, do 4 hours (the minimum we can do) then leave at half 11, use flexi up. Would get taxi/bus (prob taxi!) to train station, then get a train up (have checked, leaves at 12.30 ish and gets there around half 5). Then book the Wednesday off (plan on booking it off, tomorrow morning in work).

Does that sound doable or would I find it a challenge? I'm not exactly used to using trains but I am sensible (and have checked train tickets - would be between 10 and 20 mins between connections so could find member of staff if needed) and as long as I had it all planned, should be fine. Would get taxi/walk from station to hotel at other end, and getting home wouldn't be an issue.

I have asked on my email when I'd be likely to hear as I would need to make travel arrangements, but for now my plan is to book 27th June off just in case, and wait to book train tickets and hotel until I hear back.

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madein1995 · 17/06/2018 23:25

I've taken my last 3 but they're not working, I'm not tired. Possibly because I've spent most of the weekend in a sleepy haze Hmm . I'm making plans to get more, I can't keep taking Mams, that's a recipe for disaster. And I can't risk ordering them for in the week when I'm not here. What I could do - and I can't believe I didn't think of this - is to time it so they arrive on a Saturday, a Saturday when Mams worked the Friday so won't be about and suspicious. I'll need to wait now until I know she's working a Friday next ,and I'll need to make sure I'm up. I don't like lying and sneaking but it's better than stealing I guess. And I'm taking a lot less than I was so that's good. Once I'm more settled in work and have left home I can stop then.

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BettyBaggins · 18/06/2018 01:27

Stop now.

SilverDoe · 18/06/2018 01:45

Op,

Codeine addiction is as serious and damaging as any other opiate addiction. Funnily enough it can be more so because people do not always extract the codeine from the paracetamol or ibuprofen it comes with, so pysically can be even worse for your body.

You need to go to your GP and confess all. But, this is the hard part, you need to push them because sadly, they do not always seems to take OTC medication addiction seriously and can be really ignorant to the devastation that addiction wreaks on people’s lives.

GPs do not treat addiction themselves. They will refer you to a specialist organisation where you will be treated. But please OP, I know first hand (not myself, but someone very dear to me) that because the pills are available on prescription or even over the counter, it feels like it can’t be serious or it can be overcome as easily as it is to get hold of the pills. And the truth is you are a full on opiate addict and you will need to go through a process of tapering down on a prescribed form of opiate until you can be clean.

You also need further psychological support to help you deal with the root cause and the aftermath of the addiction. It’s good that you are getting counselling. But you must do this; you must seek help. Addiction is a long and lonely road and it tears apart even the brightest and lovliest of people. You need help and even if you feel like you have no one in real life, there are people here who are willling to reach out to you and support you every step of the way.

Please make a doctors appointment this week. I know you can do this Flowers

LuMarie · 18/06/2018 04:13

Hi there @madein1995

I've just come across this and have read through everything.

It's clear from reading your posts that you are articulate, bright, ambitious, social and positive.

Please let me be honest and take it as coming from a place a love, because it is.

Do you realise that you have been putting yourself through part withdrawals repeatedly without actually getting away from the addiction for at least two months now?

Meanwhile things are getting worse. You are getting more and more exhausted and there is drama with your family.

Some people with some addictions can stop cold turkey. However it needs to be safe depending on the addiction and amounts. It is clear, because you keep going back to them in an uncontrolled way, that this is not going to work for you. This is not a problem, most people don't manage with cold turkey either at the time or long term.

You have to really want to and be informed in advance about what to expect, how to deal with it, how long it will last and then make sure you don't fall into the pattern again.

Honestly, from the way you are struggling with things re the codeine, wanting to take it, thinking about it all the time, justifying why its better to take it and so, I don't think you have gotten to the stage where you really completely want to stop.

You have done the first very important thing. You have accepted that you have an addiction problem. This is a hugely positive thing. If you can do that, you can go for the next step.

You have to choose to want to stop.

You're putting yourself through hell, on repeat. Just try to make the connection in your mind. It is the drugs that are doing this to you. They are not making it better, they are doing it.

You are posting here regularly, chatting, sharing and you are eloquent, sweet, thanking people and checking in on other people and you are clearly happy chatting about good things that have happened in your day as well as letting out your frustrations when you feel bad. Welcome to a very weak version of therapy, with a whole lot of unqualified people who care.

Are you feeling that this talking and the ongoing responses and conversation with all these people here who care and are listening is helpful, like a place where you can express yourself safely? Again, that is what therapy will give you. However, in addition to the love and friendship you have here, which you should absolutely keep for as long as you want, a qualified therapist will be able to help you in a much deeper way. Therapists recognise behaviours and reasons for them because they are trained and have seen them all before. Whilst you feel alone, they will see all you are dealing with as completely normal and because of that, they will give you a safe place and be able to gently guide you through your conversations and ups and downs in a way that takes you forward. Therapy has been mentioned by many people here and for good reason, it's a safe place, it is a journey, it is incredibly healing and professionals will be able to help you with all the things you are dealing with. If there is something you don't want to talk about, like family, you don't have to. No one will make you talk about anything you don't want to. It is a safe place for you to talk about how you are feeling.

Please take the step and try this. Remember, you have admitted there is a problem and you are honest about your behaviours. You are way ahead already and can do this! It's time for the next step.

NA are massively qualified and highly recommended if you really don't want to go to your GP, plus completely confidential if this is a reason you find nothing you.

I would strongly urge you to go to your GP and tell the truth. Your GP can only help you if you tell the truth, they won't judge you, they will help and support you. It is completely confidential. They may refer you for counselling, they may refer you to a specialist and they may work with you on a tapering (reducing) method of getting these drugs out of your system. They will also be able to tell you what to expect, for how long, they are there for support and to check in with so you don't get lost or if you struggle they can help you along.

Do not waste your time thinking about ordering them online. It's illegal, the vast majority of the websites are scams, it will just lead to you binging on them because they won't be controlled, the prices are obscene, you most likely won't receive anything and even if you do, god knows what it actually is, then of course do you want things in your family to start up being a nightmare again. Please just put this out of your mind as an option. Also I agree, if your Mam has these meds, you need to find a way to not have access to them because they clearly play on your mind and you keep going back to them. They need to be locked away from you and you put in your head that they do not exist, or they need to be stored somewhere else and for her to have a system where she can access them but you can't. Otherwise you will keep going back. You can have your own prescription managed with a doctor, so that you aren't feeling terrible but aren't taking dangerous amounts, tapering slowly in a comfortable way. Think about it this way, do you want to control the drug, or does the drug control you? At the moment, it sounds as if the drug is really controlling you and all aspects of your life, that's addiction and it's so destructive, difficult and exhausting. You can take back that control with one simple decision to take the next step and go to a doctor. Take your control back.

So you know where I'm coming from - I've actually name changed here just to show that this can be a private topic that doesn't need to be shared or stay with you. I had cancer about ten years ago, I was very young, it was a hideous nightmare, traumatic and awful, long story short. For about a year I was described and had to take quite high doses of a very addictive sedative and sleeping pills. Physical addiction was unavoidable and not a concern of my doctors, it was a case of just get to later and we'll fix it later. Once I could get up and move a little, as well as all the million other things I was just trying to heal tiny bits and a time, I stopped the sleeping pills completely and made a rule that I would never touch another one again. I haven't.

Now, I still had the sedative medication, that softened any withdrawal from sleeping pills. Plus I had felt like utter unspeakable hideous for so long that if I did feel any different for stopping them, I didn't notice. I also stopped these at a time when I was filling my time with other things and being as healthy as I could.

I then made the rule that the sedatives (for all sorts of panic and anxiety) were once a day before sleeping to sleep without nightmares and panic attacks or just no sleep, and they were for this only. Anything that came my way during the day, that was for me to gently deal with. Same dose, no binging, no increasing because I was fed up, no.

I then started reducing little by little. I didn't have my doctors chasing me to do this, as I was choosing to do it and I always told the truth. I eventually, after about two years of reducing, then a tiny bit back up, then reducing again, always having to go back to my doctor when I wanted to stay away, got sick of feeling like the medication controlled me. So when a prescription ran out, I thought, I'll just see how I get on with this. I spoke to people about withdrawals, how long they would last, what was normal, plus made sure it wasn't dangerous to just stop. It was pretty damn uncomfortable yes, but there are worse things. After a week which felt like a long time as I was going through it, I woke up and though, oh I know its 2am because every night I wake with lucid dreams at 2am. It was 9am. I had done it:)

One week girl, one week. And like that I was free.

The important thing to see here is that I really wanted to, I made the choice to want to and I had prepared by tapering and having careful rules about not abusing the meds. I also had doctors who I could call and who were safely giving me a prescription, so there was no added worry of what if they don't and there was support and understanding.

This is the situation you can create for yourself. See your GP so you bring in a doctor and managed medications as I did, get that control in tapering in a safe way, make it comfortable and positive for yourself.

You need to make that choice though to really want to.

I am so proud of myself for this and so glad I did it, you have no idea. I hope soon you will have an idea of the feeling.

Please make the choice to want to and please take that first little next step and make that first appointment.

Much love

OliviaBenson · 18/06/2018 07:52

You sound like any addict op- "I'll sort myself out when......." there is never going to be a right time.

This is bigger than you. Ordering online when your parents are out shows how bad it has a hold on you.

You need to be honest with yourself here.

smurfy2015 · 18/06/2018 21:40

Hi @madein1995,

like pp I urge you not to order as you are feeding the addiction. This needs to stop now. You need help. Ordering will solve nothing and will only add to your problems.

Trust is broken as if your mam realizes some strips are missing you will have different problems such as homelessness

having a couple of drinks, I know it's a few here (pina coladas, Smirnoff ice, cocktails) and there to say it from the outside looking in its a case of supplementing addiction by adding alcohol as cant get enough codeine, so if/when cant get hold of codeine is the plan to self medicate with alcohol?

its a slippery slope to becoming an alcoholic as well and remember no one who is an alcoholic or anyone with an addiction set out to have it, the difference is some make the choice to escape the grasps of addiction and its effects,

Counseling is not going to be the magic answer to this, it can be a component of and the rest comes from a

combination of real-life support,

online support (you may not like what we/i are/am saying but deep inside its true for you),

medical support, (to properly do a taper where it is safe and where your blood can be taken to test esp for liver function)

abstinence - 1 or 2 here or there isn't going to help you and when (not if) you are clean and off it, like when your mam gave you 2 when you twisted your ankle on the beach, you went right back to square 1

different ways to channel those feelings, (art, journalling, clay modeling etc)

treating any underlying conditions (hypermobility? which could account for dislocations in 1st place) - might not be as scary to see GP about that?

finding ways to imitate the feel-good endorphins to get a similar feeling to the buzz codeine gives you without being detrimental to your liver - extreme sports or water sports of some kind if that sort of thing would rock your boat

There isnt a right time and I would put a lot of money on, when you have moved out that the goalpost to quit will move forward again, till x or Y happens.

On the other hand cheering for you to make a GP appointment and put a note on their desk saying what is wrong and that you need help.

At very basic they will give you your own supply of codeine without the paracetamol which will be safer for you.

Your mam need not know you have a prescription as you are an adult so dont have to share that info. It will be prescibed to you and whiile at possibly highish doses to start over time can be tapered down very slowly and if needed medically can be increased again.

You may get it on a weekly collection due to chance of taking all together but could send to chemist nearest work.

The GP will also do blood tests to get a baseline of where your levels are at and screen for 1st signs of liver damage. Take BP, Weight, possibly ECG as well to see has it done any heart damage

madein1995 · 19/06/2018 23:08

Hi guys. Thanks for your messages, I really do appreciate your concern. I'm not really in a place to listen now - just trying my hardest to keep things blanked off - but I still appreciate your concern. I'm ok. Just tired and on a come down, and stressed, and not ready to think negative thoughts - and thinking about my addiction always makes me feel Shit

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OliviaBenson · 20/06/2018 06:30

Did you order online op?

Look after yourself.

LuMarie · 20/06/2018 06:37

Sweetheart a doctor can help you with come down, feeling stressed and negative thoughts.

You don’t have to feel this way. Please just see your GP and let them help ease this for you.

(Sorry for breaking out the sweetheart but it sounds as if you really need some love)

madein1995 · 20/06/2018 07:26

I've not ordered yet, I wouldn't be able to until at least next Thursday as Mams not working this Friday but is next week.

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OliviaBenson · 20/06/2018 11:18

'Yet' means you are intending to. Why? You don't need them and have everything to lose if you do.

marfisa · 20/06/2018 13:10

OP, you've said that you don't want to seek outside help because you feel you're not the same as other addicts and you can recover on your own (or something to that effect).

But in fact you're an absolute textbook case of addiction. Even when you don't have access to the drugs, thinking about how to get more is dominating your life.

This is from the NA literature:
Who is an addict? Most of us do not have to think twice about this question. We know! Our whole life and thinking was centered in drugs in one form or another—the getting and using and finding ways and means to get more. We lived to use and used to live. Very simply, an addict is a man or woman whose life is controlled by drugs. We are people in the grip of a continuing and progressive illness whose ends are always the same: jails, institutions, and death.

Everything you describe feeling like you can't be normal and can't be yourself unless you take the pills, feeling like you can't cope with everyday life without the drugs I have been there.

Addiction happens to people from all walks of life. I'm a mum and a university lecturer. For years I was also an alcoholic. In sobriety I still sometimes get anxious and depressed and have trouble coping, but my life is no longer dominated by the overwhelming question of when I'm going to have my next drink.

As so many people on this thread have eloquently said, you need to get help. You need to move out, get therapy and get clean (not necessarily in that order). You can do it but it's a decision only you can make. Flowers

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