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Shallow I know, but Sarah Brown has appalling dress sense and a terrible figure.

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moondog · 02/04/2009 18:00

FGS woman, loser a bit of weight and get some nice gear.You're supposed to be representing us.

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independiente · 05/04/2009 13:37

OP:
Yes, that does indeed sound shallow to me.
IMO SB does not have 'appalling dress sense'. I personally would not have chosen that particular blue suit for her, but as I am an anonymous cyber-spacee, who actually cares? The rest of her outfits that I have happened to glimpse have seemed absolutely fine.
What has being a particular shape got to do with 'style'? Or beauty, come to think of it?
She may or may not wish to 'lose a bit of weight'. I don't know and frankly I don't care, as long as she is a sensible, respectable, decent and intelligent person - which she certainly comes across as being. That is the only way in which I would be affected by her 'representation' of me.
I think it's fair enough to discuss the style of well-known persons on 'Style and Beauty' - as in RL, some people will manage to discuss things elegantly, others crassly. No surprise there.

stillenacht · 05/04/2009 13:44

I think Sarah Brown looks great - i think she has had more than her fair share of heartache. Good for you Sarah!

dittany · 05/04/2009 13:52

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howtotellmum · 05/04/2009 13:59

dittany I am no expert on eating disorders, but from what I understand,I don't think bulemia and anorexia are actually about looking good- they are psycholgocial issues that have their roots in exerting control and low s elf-esteem, rather than wanting to look thin.

I think this thread has taken a turn that is now far removed from SB looking should we say, not her best, in a too-tight suit. It has become a bar-burning rant from MNs who have an axe to grind about all kinds of body-size related issues.

I think the OP made a valid remark; she didn't look good, her tummy was very prominent and everything was simply too tight- -either you agree or you think SB looked okay/good and you disagree.

higgle · 05/04/2009 14:01

I've tried to keep out of this one - but read it avidly - but in view of the last couple of comments I think I just have to get involved. If Sarah Brown was the sort of person that John Major or Ken Clarke's wives are - clearly exuding confidence and zero interest in fashion and a "so what " attitude I would understand it. Unfortunately she seems to spend large amounts of money on clothes that are OKish in themselves but are totally unsuitable because they are too tight or just very unflatteringly put together. The blue suit was a safe but understandable choice if it had been one size bigger but why does she want to flaunt her tunmmy and VPL? If she is turning out for these sorts of events she knows all eyes are on her and you would at least think she would have a good look in the mirror (including from behind) before venturing out

stillenacht · 05/04/2009 14:06

I still think she is great. Go Sarah!

Tortington · 05/04/2009 14:16

went to page 5 on google and can't find a nice picture of her.

i always wonder regarding these things, why no one tells them. i would have thouht that there would be a 'person' employed to make sure that neither of them look like twats when they leave the house.

ok, maybe thats not the way the English do it - and i love the obamas - i do - but seriously michelle wears some fucking dodgy stuff - and i ould have thought the Americans at least would have had a 'You look a proper twat going out in that' person

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piscesmoon · 05/04/2009 14:20

I haven't seen Ken Clarke's wife for ages but I thought she was fantastic-a large, round lady, looking older than her years and exuding self confidence! I don't think that anyone would have had the timerity to tell her that she was doing a poor job in 'representing Britain'-she would have put them firmly in their place! People should see beyond the clothes. If I meet someone I probably form a first impression from their looks, but it is the force of personality that leaves the lasting impression.
I like people's individuality. I expect that image consultants could do a good job but it all gets rather bland and corporate. I admire those who resist it.
If I were to meet SB, and people asked me afterwards what she was like I would tell them about friendliness, sense of humour, warmth etc-I doubt I would even remember what she was wearing (or care!).

TheOldestCat · 05/04/2009 14:21

I'm glad my tax dollars aren't spent on a 'person employed to make sure that neither of them look like twats when they leave the house'. Blardy hell.

piscesmoon · 05/04/2009 14:22

When I have talked to people who have met the Queen they have told me about the experience but I don't think anyone has given me a run down on her clothes!

HarryB · 05/04/2009 14:22

Sarah Brown in dress that Mumsnetters don't like shocker. How very dare she.

Tortington · 05/04/2009 14:36

who buys their clothes? i presume its not easy ( or cheap on the tax) to employ security etc - to go shopping. Does Michelle have a personal shopper? maybe not sarah i dunno ?

but couldnt part of this persons JD be 'as well as dressing, dont let them go out looking like a twat'?

staggerlee · 05/04/2009 14:55

howtotellmum, 'bra burning rant'?-how crass. I just object to women being nasty to other women in terms of the way they look. I just don't see the point of deliberately belittling people on the basis of their dress sense or the fact their stomach is not flat. If that makes me a bra burner so be it.And what do your comments make you?

As for your comments about anorexia/bulimia. Of course prevailing attitudes influence peoples self esteem. Anorexia is unknown in some cultures. Take dittany's advice and educate yourself.

dittany · 05/04/2009 15:01

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spicemonster · 05/04/2009 17:54

No, howtotellmum, it isn't that you either think she looks good or you don't. I don't think she looked good. The outfit wasn't very flattering. But I don't think she has a terrible figure. Or even appalling dress sense for that matter. I well remember (you might be too young) Cherie Blair being given all manner of grief for billing several hundred pounds for hairdressing services. Basically you can't win. Either you charge the nation and you're pilloried by the press or you don't and the vicious vipers nest of the MN ladies who lunch brigade pillory you.

And you're terribly naive if you think eating disorders have nothing to do with the way you look.

LOL @ bra-burners!

I actually think this might signal a parting of the ways between me and MN. I am absolutely sick to the back teeth of the vacuousness of so many of the posters here and to be honest, I can only see that getting worse with the merger with netmums.

kittywise · 05/04/2009 18:02

merger with netmums?????????????

What have I missed????

spicemonster · 05/04/2009 18:06

Oh dear - it has just occurred to me that it might have been an April Fool's joke

Oh well, rest of it still stands.

kittywise · 05/04/2009 18:08

phew

onebatmother · 05/04/2009 18:13

"Why should we not expect people in the public eye in positions of influence to be better than the average common mortal?"

Um, we do. We expect them to be exceptionally educated and/or experienced, with superior strategic and diplomatic skills.

But those of us who take a minute to think things through do not expect them to look like the man in the Gillette ad, if male. Because that's a fantasy of what a 'powerful man' would look like, and anyone who really believes in it is deluded (and arguably should be disenfranchised.)

It follows therefore (for those of us who try to follow an equitable line) that we don't expect a woman of influence to look as though they were in the L'oreal ad. Because that would be deluded ...blah.. arguably disenfranchised.. blah etc.

If it were, on balance, looking as though said deluded person had differing standards for men, and women of influence, that would bespeak not shallowness, but an interesting (because counterintuitive) and self-loathing (because directed towards one's own) misogyny.

Hmm. An analysis of this group of women might notice that they share a terror of any form of loss of control.

All inequitable power systems delegate to 'enforcers' - trusted members of the oppressed group who, in return for small favours and very limited influence, ensure that social pressures favouring the dominant group are disseminated . This group is invested in the power system because, even though things are crap for them, they're not quite as crap as they are for the rest of their kind.

Ah... a mediaeval or Taliban hag, sucking all joy and pleasure from the lives of others, in return for being in charge of the cooking pot.

onebatmother · 05/04/2009 18:19

d'ya think, re April fool's?

I don't. And if so, it's kind of horrible that those of us who don't think like this are totally unsurprised, though horrified, that someone else does.

BottySpottom · 06/04/2009 15:21

'I can't believe anyone let her leave the house in the unflattering enemble' - with views like those, I'd be very surprised if anyone let you leave the house Moondog.

kittywise · 06/04/2009 15:27

moondog isn't the pm's wife

staggerlee · 06/04/2009 17:48

Kitty, do you ever have a day off being catty?