Shallow I know, but Sarah Brown has appalling dress sense and a terrible figure.

[moondog]

FGS woman, loser a bit of weight and get some nice gear.You're supposed to be representing us.

yeah sarah, stop spending time with your disabled child & doing charity work and go shopping in selfridges!

we don't care what you do or the values you espouse, only how you look. that's all that matter for a woman

nice attitude howtotellmum

bog off Xenia

Xenia, so what should Michele Obama have done? Divorced her husband just to avoid being (in career terms) inferior. I don't regard her as being an inferior human being to her husband. She strikes me as nobody's slave.

Neither Sarah Brown nor Michelle Obama is a politician. But Michelle Obama has had the opportunity to inspire millions, and only yesterday in London, young under privileged teenagers. This must be extremely rewarding. I can't imagine anything more fulfilling than knowing you've made a girl decide to turn her Ds into As.

And I'd feel pretty proud of myself if I'd raised the amount of money for charity that Sarah Brown has done.

So, what is the point of life?? To divorce a president husband just so that you're not 'inferior' to him!!! In whose eyes anyway?? Even being a president is a job, and I never assume that a president or a politician's spouse's life is worth less.

"We want more male world leader consorts than female"

What, you want more male world leaders who are gay?

kristinaM - like it or not, people in the public eye come under scrutiny, and how you look DOES matter- it is not a case of being shallow- appearances do matter and people are judged on them. Whether that is RIGHT or not is not the case- it is a fact though, and people do make inferences on your personality by what you wear and your personal grooming.

Doing charity work and loking after a child do not exclude looking after yourself, do they?

Simply from a health point of view, everyone should try to maintain an ideal (slim) weight.

It is not shallow to want to look your best and take pride in your appearance- you can still do good works and be a caring mum- and SB must have masses of help and support- or access to it- that 99.9% of mums don't have.

Hi howtotell and welcome to mumsnet

you wrote:

"like it or not, people in the public eye come under scrutiny, and how you look DOES matter- it is not a case of being shallow- appearances do matter"

i dont think anyone here is saying that appearances don't count at all. Just that they dont count for EVERYTHING. Surely you will accept that that everyone has a different view of what is an acceptable or desirable appearance? Just because YOU dont think that SB is ok, cant you understand that others think she is just fine and representative of many women of her age/circumstances. Not everyone's ideal is kylie or posh !

" and people are judged on them."

indeed. isn't it interesting how woman are judged far more on appearances than women? Why do you think that is? whose interests does it serve to have so much discussion about womens appearance?

"Doing charity work and looking after a child do not exclude looking after yourself, do they?"

I'm not sure why you conclude that she doesnt look after herself? I dont think she looks ill, do you?

"Simply from a health point of view, everyone should try to maintain an ideal (slim) weight"

really? Are you suggesting that SBs BMI is so high it is compromising her health????

"It is not shallow to want to look your best and take pride in your appearance"

i am shocked - you really think that she doesnt take any care over her appearnace? Or is it just that she doesnt look the way YOU and the daily mail think she shoudl???

I hope SB isnt MNetter

KristinaM- you seem to feel very strongly over this!

I have no more idea of SB's BMI than you do- so why bring that up? She IS overweight,as anyone can see.

I am not a fan of Posh or anyone else you care to drag up- and my opinion is just as valid as yours, so please don't try to shout me down or bully me. And I have never been a Daily Mail reader either.

howtotellmum - if it's so obvious from just glancing whether someone is overweight or not, why do hcps bother with scales? Why don't they just go to clinics, glance round the waiting room and say - "you, you, you, and you - lose a couple of stone"?

Some people will judge A Lot on very shallow aspects of appearance. And some people know better.

iotascat"I thought the post c section overhang was a well known concept

I certainly have one:"

That is not c section overhang, that is fat through lack of exercise.

C section overhang does not have to look like that. On a woman who is not overweight and keeps reasonably trim, not madonna type working out here, there is no need for a stomach like SB.
She might not care about her stomach one jot but whoever told her that she should wear a suit in that size and it would look great should be fired immediately. Because SOMEONE has advised her to wear that ( perhaps it was Gordon, that would make sense).

you said she was overweight and that her weight is unhealthy. what facts do you base this on?

You raised the issue of health, not I.

i am disagreeing with you - not shouting you down or bullying you.it happens on mumsnet

i didn't say you were not entitled to an opinion. but i am also entitled to take a different view and to ask you to support your opinion with facts.

Good god - we are judging this woman's whole life through ONE photo - don't you find it galling and just a bit/lot pathetic?

[goes to join SGs mum bashing head on wall]

OOh this thread

"Mumsnet at its best"

farking nora.
hideous

moondog, i thought you where above that

I find Barak Obama hot.

Lots of folks on here do.

But whom does he wake up next to every morning?

Yeah.

This thread has shown up just how insecure and jealous some women are, and whilst they may not need to lose weight, they would probably feel better if that lost that removal lorry full of such negative emotions.

Jealous, insecure women are never sexy to anyone for long.

oh gawd this thread gives those in the MSM credence when they profess to be horrified about Mumsnet getting in on the G20 summit....

Us women are rather hard on one another aren't we?

However, SB does look awful in that first link. I would not say she is fat but she does have a tummy and that outfit does her no favours whatsoever. The colour suits her but that's about it. And she should not be waering opaques with peep hole shoes at all.
She just needs clothes to flatter her shape that's all.

I am quite sure that if Ms Brown wanted, she would source professional style and makeup advice. From the little I know of her personally - I've not seen her for years but used to see her sometimes at a previous job - she has her own sense of style, which isn't mine but then most of you lot probably wouldn't like my clothes either.

what is an MSM

Ok, so now am thinking that there are two camps. One which denies she is overweight and frumpy and the other which acknowledges that she is,but in grand scheme of things it really doesn't matter.

It's the people in the first camp that interest me. I think I am in the second.