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Les Parisiennes des Mamanset: A Sin of Pride

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botemp · 02/07/2023 22:09

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Floisme · 29/10/2023 11:50

What can I say, Red, I've not bought anything new from Toast for several years, but then again, maybe that was why they sent me one. It did remind me though how much I used to enjoy getting catalogues in the post. Our son gets more than I do now, and he doesn't even live here any more. Enjoy Madrid.

Maybe it's because I came of age in the punk era but I'm afraid I found myself rolling my eyes just a little at the tale of young designers struggling to finance a catwalk show in fashion week. Is that bad of me? I mean, there are empty shops and department stores the length and breadth of the land, and local councils desperate (or so I hear) for ideas of how to use them before they fall derelict. And as for the 'Vivienne Westwood wouldn't make it today' references, well a) she didn't go to art school and b) as I remember she was regarded as a laughing stock by the British fashion industry for years and very nearly went under. It was Europe who took her seriously and supported her first. Thanks for the link though bo!

botemp · 29/10/2023 18:44

Yes PP is launching tomorrow, my inbox has been flooded by the consignment shops with old Céline offerings this weeknd, smart consolation move for those who are priced out or pipped at the post/checkout I guess. I'm not anticipating buying anything either unless they offer some amazing opening discount.

Red, re: Madrid, Pez Tienda is a lovely but pricey shop, the Loewe flagship store is kind of worth visiting even if you're not interested in buying anything as it's very much their roots and heritage alongside the more contemporary vision where usually it's just the latter. What else, I had an amazing chocolate cake for breakfast in a bar near the Museo del Prado but I can't remember exactly where it was. Very memorable cake though, I shall have to find it once more... The Huertas' neighborhood/street had some really nice independent quirky boutiques. And, obviously, El Corte Ingles is always nice to nose around in but I doubt I need to tell you that.

Flo, yes, you should care a bit, as much as I was tepid about the Rebel exhibition, mostly because I felt they inserted politics into anything and everything, they did have an illuminating timeline where the politics had a place WRT the development of young talent in London and you can really see that as soon as the Conservatives (and Lib Dem, I guess, they only pointed fingers at the conservatives though) raised tuition fees and rolled back investment into the fashion industry that working class talent just sort of dissipates. A few can sort of work their way in in the early years on grants but they're becoming less and less common and that lack of diversity is noticeable in the quality of talent.

St Martins has a lot of very wealthy students now who can afford a lavish lifestyle with easy access into fashion circles, have access to premium fabrics and get seamstresses to make their vague sketches into near professional collections. It doesn't make them bad designers by default but limitation is an important ingredient of creativity and it must be so demoralising for their less cash rich classmates. It's also worrying that like publishing and other industries that used to be good catalysts of social mobility, it's another career path that's primarily becoming dominated by those who can work for free or run at a loss as they're independently wealthy.

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Floisme · 29/10/2023 19:06

Hmm it was the Labour government who first introduced tuition fees in the UK, for which I will never forgive them - it marked the beginning of the end of my regard for them. So I don't view any of the mainstream parties as blameless in that respect.

I take your wider point that creative education and the creative industries are becoming the domain of the wealthy and privileged. But I also remember how in the recession of the 80s, some very talented young people who had neither money nor connections nor formal education, used their situation - and the large number of empty buildings - as a positive, and how it led to all kinds of creativity and general shenanigans. Admittedly things are different now and I'm probably guilty of over romanticising that time. I just believe, possibly naively, that true creativity can always find a way.

botemp · 29/10/2023 19:15

Yeah, I think that is the issue, the unorthodox way to break in from the outside these days is not in delapilated buildings with other oddballs but on TikTok and Instagram dancing to the tune of marketeers and there's little to be called creative there.

I was unaware of Labour and the introduction of tuition fees, shall add a little strike to their list (as if I have a horse in this race 🤦).

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Floisme · 29/10/2023 21:15

Yes it was Labour - admittedly 1K a year to begin with, but it was that initial breach which paved the way for what followed. And if the Rebel exhibition glosses over that because it's politically expedient to do so then I won't pretend I'm surprised but I do think it's cowardly of them and also bad news for the arts.

Anyway on to lighter things.... here's to Phoebe tomorrow. Can the Internet cope I wonder!

MmePoppySeedDefage · 29/10/2023 21:44

Heh!
A friend was telling me today about the new fashion exhibition at the Museum of London docklands. It's about the East End and fashion, and sounds rather fun. She is quite chatty and got talking to loads of people who were also visiting it, many of whom had a close connection with the fashion industry, not necessarily in the East End:

www.museumoflondon.org.uk/museum-london-docklands

Floisme · 29/10/2023 21:58

Sorry quick correction before someone does it for me: I said 'in the UK' but devolution enabled Scotland and I think Wales to re-introduce free tuition or at least lower their fee for 'home' students. Can't remember all the details now or whether that still applies and I'm too tired to check - changing the clocks always fries my brain for the first couple of days. And now back to east end and fashion.

botemp · 30/10/2023 07:53

That's a shame, that exhibition looks really interesting, had I known about it I definitely would have tried to see it when in London. If someone goes do report back, I remember Flo sending me to Crescent trading for fabric a few years back that really felt like a last relic of east end fashion institutions. I think it's now closed Sad

I keep checking my inbox, still no word from Phoebe 😤

Forgot to mention my boots arrived, few days ago actually. I had fully prepared that something would be wrong with the fit and that the amazing bargain would have to be someone else's but they're as close to perfect as they can get. The leather is very stiff though so I hope they soften a little, I assumed it would mean lots of blisters but I've worn them twice now for longer periods and my feet are unharmed. The heel doesn't really feel like much of a heel much either, I'm very pleasantly surprised.

I need some more mini skirts to go with them though, I did finish up my Sacai inspired one before going to London and it goes great with the boots so I can probably use that pattern as a base for others. I'd gone into Zara for the attached (not very mini) skirt which is very Sacai inspired as well, the online stock info said they had one in stock in my size which is always sus, so wasn't surprised to find it not actually there but was surprised to see loads of Sacai (and a bit Peter Do in places) inspired items. Had they been nicely made I might have got excited about them, sadly, not much to get excited about, not a style easily done on the cheap.

Bani where have you gone off to, last you promised to come back and report on your boots 🧐

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Floisme · 30/10/2023 08:01

Phoebe's not emailed me either and I've been awake nearly 3 hours (not in anticipation - my sleep patterns are in the bin).

Good news about the boots. That looks like a nice skirt, if not remotely mini. Are Zara having one of their inspired moments or is it all too crap to warrant a personal visit?

Floisme · 30/10/2023 08:05

Crescent Trading closed? Oh that's sad. The last time I went it felt very melancholy though - one of the owners had died from Covid and his business partner was still running it but he looked like he'd had the stuffing knocked out of him.

botemp · 30/10/2023 08:09

Yeah, same when I was there. There were some young people helping out though but Google reviews seem to suggest it's closed. But it's been said before on the reviews so who knows.

WRT Zara I'd put it as the usual crap. I unearth the rare gem there sometimes but it's easier to sift through the website than their shops these days, I find. We don't often get the more premium collections consistently, the above skirt is from that, there look to be some nice items in the SRPLS collection but the shop didn't have those either.

Les Parisiennes des Mamanset: A Sin of Pride
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CrkdLttrCrkdLttr · 30/10/2023 08:15

I too was awake around 5.am, for no good reason, and idly checked my inbox for an email from Phoebe … Grin

Good news about your boots, @botemp - there’s always so much that can go wrong with online footwear ordering.

Oddly enough I recommended that Zara skirt to someone who liked my La Fetiche kilt, but wanted something longer and cheaper. It does look glorious in the photos, but having seen a few other pieces from the same iteration in the Oxford branch of Zara, I’m resigned to its being thin and tiny irl.

Floisme · 30/10/2023 08:32

I quite like being awake early - the day always feels new and rich with possibilities... but it sounds like a trip to our shambolic, badly stocked Zara needn't be one of them!

botemp · 30/10/2023 09:40

Ugh still no word from flaky Phoebe, I feel like a jilted date. Not sure why I'm so invested either in being first in the door when I'm unlikely to afford anything beyond socks.

Speaking of socks, I could probably do with some new tights they're getting a bit loose. Anyone know of any wind tight ones, my merino mix ones don't look good with my new boots, I should probably look at thermal ones, never had those before, I always assumed it would result in a sweaty crotch 🤢

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Floisme · 30/10/2023 09:54

I used to buy Spanx or (I think) Falke tights from TK Maxx - pretty substantial and hard to kill but looked ok. But that was a veeeery long time ago.

Redandblue11 · 30/10/2023 11:07

Great news on the boots Bo!
I like Heist Studio. I personally find them the most comfortable and they last very well, I have a few up to the Eighty for colder days and they work well for me(I know some people are not completely sold on them but I really like them)

Redandblue11 · 30/10/2023 11:09

Yes, where is Bani and her boots report??

I am already looking forward to finding a chocolate cake for bkfst near El Prado, I will not be far from there. Thank you Bo for the suggestions.

botemp · 30/10/2023 15:11

FINAAAAAAAALLY, it's up, I'll check back in when I get back

https://www.phoebephilo.com/

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CrkdLttrCrkdLttr · 30/10/2023 15:18

Yup!

All very beautiful and recognisable. And I can enjoy it all without having worry about stretching to afford - 'cos that's never gonna happen.

Floisme · 30/10/2023 15:20

Me too! I'm going in now...

botemp · 30/10/2023 15:33

I'm back, not even some socks for me Sad

Quick thoughts, I like the knitwear a lot (the bloody black slinky ribbed turtleneck is exactly the thing I've been looking for but absolutely not at that price for merino) and some interesting pieces. Ah but the prices, especially the bags, ouch.

But, I was kinda disappointed that it's so familiar, she took a six year break and it feels like she just continued where she left off. There's so many brands who have been imitating her in her absence I'd kind of anticipated some evolution to distinguish herself as the trailblazer the way there had been when she moved from Chloe to Céline (with a similar few years of absence).

I dunno, none of it is ridiculously covetable in a I'll stretch for it if I can get my hands on it in the sale or secondhand kind of way. All perfectly lovely but I feel thoroughly shut out of it in a way I didn't with Céline or Chloe, probably more to do with perceived lifestyle that would require these clothes than the clothes themselves.

Also, the mum necklace, are we to take it she lurks around here 🕵️‍♀️

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Redandblue11 · 30/10/2023 15:50

The mum necklace in silver sold out?
how many did they have? 7?

Redandblue11 · 30/10/2023 15:54

Is not stuff I can afford and agree that all is perfectly good looking stuff.

I like the long trench in black and the khaki with attachable scarf.
I also kinda like the idea of the laurel bomber in leather with that scarf, irl not sure how comfy a leather scarf will be.

botemp · 30/10/2023 15:54

Yeah, surprised at that necklace selling out. It looks bloody uncomfortable tbh, a lot of weight on your neck. Speaking of uncomfortable, the shoes are an absolute disappointment.

The asymmetric tailored top was one of the standouts for me too (ignoring that you'd constantly be standing on it) but something about the shoulders feels off to me, or at least has me thinking that if you're not of the rail thin super tall variety like all the models seem to be, it would be challenging proportionally.

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Redandblue11 · 30/10/2023 15:55

Why are the drop trousers in cigar wool all wrinkled at the back?!