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Royal Style: On with the chic, and the royal mystique!

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Maireas · 09/10/2022 18:57

Evening Royal Style fans!
I hope we can have some fabulous winter fashion and tiara events!

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Northernlurker · 09/10/2022 23:34

I've always thought it quite handy for Prince Michael that his mother had died before he met Marie Christine. I think they would not have found each other soul mates!

I think Marina would have approved of Marie -Christine, being a Baroness!

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Maireas · 10/10/2022 06:00

That is very interesting, Seneca, although I did read that there was, if not a delay, certainly a consultation with QEQM. At 51 it would have been somewhat unlikely, however due process was observed.

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travellingfamily · 10/10/2022 07:09

Wow that is fascinating about the accession of heir presumptives!

Maireas · 10/10/2022 07:48

Of course, now it wouldn't make a difference because a younger son wouldn't inherit over his older sister, but it's an interesting point to note!

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justasking111 · 10/10/2022 08:53

lollipoprainbow · 10/10/2022 04:05

Mary of Tecks mother was a scary looking lady bit like queen Victoria.

But a very good kind person. Taking herself off to help the poor and later Mary accompanied her. A modern philanthropic person and very brave considering the health risks in those days

KillingMeDeftly · 10/10/2022 09:20

I don't think Queen Mary's father was Croatian. He was just born in a part of the Austrian empire that's now Croatia. Her mother had the rather unkind nickname of 'Fat Mary'!

667TheNeighbourOfTheBeast · 10/10/2022 09:27

Serenster · 09/10/2022 20:03

Thanks for the new thread Maireas!

Back to a couple of points we were discussing on the last thread, here’s another example of the Queen Mother been done a complete disservice by the fashions of the 1920s. Here she is with Bertie in 1921 when dresses still had waists, and then on their honeymoon not long afterwards when the new aesthetic had landed. 😕

Oh that’s an awful suit on QM.
@Spudlet lol eyebrow intervention! I’m old enough to remember that in the 1980s most women didn’t bother to pluck eyebrows, the natural look was in thanks to Brooke Shields 😊
my eyebrows were only ever plucked in middle so I didn’t look like one of the Gallagher brothers! For me personally it was due also to my aunt over plucking hers in the 70s and telling me they never grew back. I only got them shaped in the 90s when I got married. I admit it does make a difference.

667TheNeighbourOfTheBeast · 10/10/2022 09:31

RomainingCalm · 09/10/2022 20:33

This is an interesting 5min read about the commission for Queen Elizabeth's coronation gown.

www.vam.ac.uk/articles/silver-and-gold-by-norman-hartnell

It also led me to this one - Flowers of the Fields of France - which I thought was rather beautiful.

omg that is a beautiful dress!

Spudlet · 10/10/2022 09:50

@667TheNeighbourOfTheBeast A bit of gentle shaping does make a difference - although avoiding crazy over plucking is to be recommended also 😬 I was always too lazy to do a big pluck so I avoided the 90s stupidly thin eyebrow hellscape - thank goodness as I am of the age to have decimated them had I been more fashionable!

Didn’t the Queen say that Marie-Christine was a bit too grand for them? Sounds like she might well have got on with Marina just fine…!

Tassen · 10/10/2022 09:58

Very fascinating about the heir presumptives, it's amazing all the stuff that you find out.
Like the amount of second brothers becoming heir to the throne because the original heir had died.
Like Prince Arthur elder brother of Henry VIII, Prince Henry elder brother of Charles I & Prince Albert Victor elder brother of George V.

Queen Mary's mother Princess Mary Adelaide of Teck was a granddaughter of George III thus Queen Victoria's cousin.

SenecaFallsRedux · 10/10/2022 10:00

Speaking of coronation dresses, I'm not going to be happy if this slimmed down business KC has in mind means that we don't get to see some embellished and bling enhance dressing from Camilla and Catherine.

Plus in American English the term "lounge suit" conjures up something along these lines.

Royal Style: On with the chic, and the royal mystique!
Tassen · 10/10/2022 10:13

@SenecaFallsRedux oh my that suit!

As @KillingMeDeftly says Queen Mary's father Francis Duke of Teck was born in Croatia what was then part of the Austrian Empire.
Francis's father was German Duke Alexander of Württemberg & his (Francis) mother was a Hungarian noblewoman Countess Claudine Rhédey von Kis-Rhéde a distant relation of Vlad III Dracul of Wallachia aka Vlad The Impaler (whom the the Dracula is based on)

Perhaps that's whom QM inherited her hard stare from 😮😆

LadyCassandra · 10/10/2022 10:23

Whenever I think of Mary of Teckni think of the Susan Townsend book where Charles renames himself Charlie Teck! 😁

LadyCassandra · 10/10/2022 10:23

*Mary of Teck I think

JesusMaryAndJosephAndTheWeeDon · 10/10/2022 11:04

Checking in!

Agree QEQM lived during the wrong fashion era for her figure. The 20s look was designed for slim boyish figures and she was curvy.

There are some beautiful images of her as a young woman though, before she became Queen, such as this one (hope this works)

Royal Style: On with the chic, and the royal mystique!
JesusMaryAndJosephAndTheWeeDon · 10/10/2022 11:09

Some super pictures of QEQM looking very glamorous and wearing some great tiaras with style.

JesusMaryAndJosephAndTheWeeDon · 10/10/2022 11:09

It would help if I added the link 🤦

historianruby.com/2018/09/18/queen-elizabeth-the-queen-mother-consort-of-king-george-vi/

JesusMaryAndJosephAndTheWeeDon · 10/10/2022 11:16

And an article specifically about QEQM's tiaras. She certainly knew how to give good tiara! From small ones like the Cartier Bracelet and Cartier Halo to massive blingy ones like the Delhi Durbar and Greville. Much more varied looks and styles than we see now on the current royal women.

historianruby.com/2018/09/19/queen-elizabeth-the-queen-mother-ten-tiaras/

KillingMeDeftly · 10/10/2022 11:29

The Wikipedia entry on Mrs Greville's reputation is hilariously snarky:

"Following Greville's death, Queen Elizabeth, who inherited the bulk of Greville's huge collection of jewellery, described her as "so shrewd, so kind and so amusingly unkind, so sharp, such fun, so naughty; altogether a real person, a character, utterly Mrs Ronald Greville".

By contrast, Sir Cecil Beaton described her as "a galumphing, greedy, snobbish old toad who watered at her chops at the sight of royalty ... and did nothing for anybody except the rich".

Rudyard Kipling is thought to have called her a slug.

James Lees-Milne, in his diaries, commented: "Everyone is agog to hear the terms of Mrs G's will. She was a lady who loved the great because they were great, and apparently had a tongue dipped in gall. I remember old Lady Leslie exclaiming, 'Maggie Greville! I would sooner have an open sewer in my drawing room!'"

MotherofPearl · 10/10/2022 12:42

Thanks for the new thread and all the fascinating chat. Just place-marking for now until I have time for a proper catch up.

667TheNeighbourOfTheBeast · 10/10/2022 12:45

SenecaFallsRedux · 10/10/2022 10:00

Speaking of coronation dresses, I'm not going to be happy if this slimmed down business KC has in mind means that we don't get to see some embellished and bling enhance dressing from Camilla and Catherine.

Plus in American English the term "lounge suit" conjures up something along these lines.

😂😂 omg 😱 that suit it looks like the 1970s !

667TheNeighbourOfTheBeast · 10/10/2022 13:02

@JesusMaryAndJosephAndTheWeeDon beautiful photos of the QM, I love the little cloche hat. The tiaras are lovely on QM and so many different ones but I guess they had more occasions then to wear them. Camilla looks stunning in the honeycomb one she really suits a tiara 👑
I agree about the 20s being bad for her figure, the whole thing with the 20s fashion was it was extremely liberating for women from a comfort point of view as no more corsets ,however as cup sized or even supportive bras were not invented yet it wasn’t flattering unless you were a B cup at most.

SenecaFallsRedux · 10/10/2022 13:02

Yes, it was a fashion in the 70s. DH and I were invited to a Halloween costume party a few years back and the invitation said: "Dress code: the 70s". Everyone was in bell-bottoms and these "leisure suit" outfits.

I went to a theatrical costume house and rented 1770s clothes and we went as George and Martha Washington, explaining to all and sundry that no century was specified.

It was a lot of fun, except for squishing that dress into a small Toyota and trying to get through modern doorways in that pannier contraption.

SenecaFallsRedux · 10/10/2022 13:04

Camilla looks stunning in the honeycomb one she really suits a tiara.

I agree. She can really carry off OTT headgear. Another reason to let her bling it up at the coronation.

JesusMaryAndJosephAndTheWeeDon · 10/10/2022 13:10

667TheNeighbourOfTheBeast · 10/10/2022 13:02

@JesusMaryAndJosephAndTheWeeDon beautiful photos of the QM, I love the little cloche hat. The tiaras are lovely on QM and so many different ones but I guess they had more occasions then to wear them. Camilla looks stunning in the honeycomb one she really suits a tiara 👑
I agree about the 20s being bad for her figure, the whole thing with the 20s fashion was it was extremely liberating for women from a comfort point of view as no more corsets ,however as cup sized or even supportive bras were not invented yet it wasn’t flattering unless you were a B cup at most.

I think they could wear some of the smaller tiaras for events that aren't necessarily tiara events.

The Cartier Bracelet Tiara would look lovely on the PoW for something like a film premier or awards evening where you wouldn't wear a proper tiara but would wear glamorous jewellery and an evening dress. But if she's not going to wear it, I'll use it to keep my hair out of my eyes while working from home!

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