Anyone in their 50s and decided against Botox, fillers or anything but face cream?

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I just wondered, prompted by the many recent threads. And not because you can't afford it either. I can afford them but have decided to age naturally for various reasons.

Feeling a little lonely though!

The thread is titled

Anyone in their 50s and decided against Botox, fillers or anything but face cream?

What a shocker eh?
That we are discussing that.

I think this thread has confirmed what I would have said after the first post, that the overwhelming majority of people wouldn't.
Not even necessarily "decided against" , but it just wouldn't cross the radar of most people to even give it any thought.

I'm 50 and have never even considered Botox/fillers, but could easily afford them.
None of my similar-aged siblings or friends have had any either.
It literally would never enter my head - what if it goes wrong? I wouldn't want a trout-pout/Jocelyn Wildenstein/frozen face.
Just good diet, some exercise, a bit of spray-tan, good hair cut, good face creams, general grooming.

PandoraP
Well the people with no interest in botox and fillers, are always the experts on these threads😀

The thread is titled

Anyone in their 50s and decided against Botox, fillers or anything but face cream?

What a shocker eh?
That we are discussing that.

@Snoredoeurve I think that comment from pp was in reply to me, in relation to some inaccuracies stated about botox itself.

It's not irrelevant bollocks, it's basic human anatomy. Guess where the muscles around the crowsfeet area extend to? The lower part of the face. They are part of the scaffolding that holds the skin up. Relax them, and they weaken and lengthen as they are no longer being exercised properly and naturally...

The Zigomaticus, for example, extends from the outer eye area down towards where some women experience "marionette lines" and then to the outer parts of the lips Beneath the Zigomaticus lies the Masseter, extending down to the jaw...

Am I the only one questioning the ethics of this?
Look at breast implants and the PIP implant scandal.
Now everyone is having them removed.

" inaccuracies" "irrelevent bollocks"
Has there been any research on the long term side effects?
if its so marvellous why do women end up on a conveyor belt of escalating procedures but end up looking worse ?
To make money

It irritates the fuck out of me that we have yet another industry based around telling women they look shit.
I dont look shit, I look fine, like the 50 odd woman I am.
Its marketed as" refreshing" If I want refreshing I will go for a rest or a swim, things that actually refresh me.
Sick of women being told again and again
"You are not good enough"
Fuck off with that!

55 here and pretty low maintenance. The only things I do are an eyebrow wax every 6 weeks or so and a haircut every 3/4 months. My hair is greying but very slowly. I have just bought a Lumea to see if I can stop stubborn moustache/chin hairs. My sister, who is 8 years younger than me, has Botox/cheek & lip fillers regularly and someone recently thought I was younger! I’m really not keen on interventions like this.

Not tempted to go down that route because knowing my luck it would go horribly wrong. I am doing all I can health and exercise wise to keep fit, strong and healthy. I am however not giving into grey hair just yet as personally I think this can be very ageing. I'm spending my Botox budget on good clothes, haircuts and face cream

No, you are not the only one. Totally agree about refreshing activities not involving sticking needles in my face too...

I look at what we now know about breast implants and wonder if Botox will go the same way...

@Snoredoeurve absolutely. And that women are buying into it and reinforcing it. I shudder at at the pressure my daughter and her generation will feel..

Its marketed as" refreshing" If I want refreshing I will go for a rest or a swim, things that actually refresh me.
Yes I think the language of the clinics is really interesting, the way they don’t talk about looking younger but about looking ‘fresher’, ‘less tired’ and - my particular favourite - ‘less angry’. And you see the same thing on this board too, all the time.

No Botox here, not even face cream or dying my hair or hide the grey. I’ve just over 50yo.

I took that decision a long time ago, mainly because even the moisturising creams have never been shown to make any difference (on a research pov, a ‘trial’ on 10 Women who are saying they have less wrinkle after 2 weeks is extremely poor anyway).

But also having a chronic illness has taught me that looks are really not the most important thing in the world. Your health is. Having the ability to get up and get out if the house. Being able to play with your dcs, do whatever activity with them.
Yes when I look at myself in the mirror, I’d rather not have big dark circles under my eyes. But that’s such a small thing compare to being able to live life.

Honestly I like looking a little more angry. I get less shit from men and often better service.

I know men are being targeted more for these kinds of procedures now and I keep meaning to look at how it’s done and what language is used, because I bet it’s different - I’ve never in my life heard a man say he was worried about looking angry.

I think it’s very common and a lot of people don’t talk about it or at least don’t talk about it to people who are very anti-procedures. I am 50 and have had both botox and fillers. Most of my slim friends have had it too. My bigger friends seem to age better in that their faces are less lined and more padded. I am really happy with my results, but aware it’s a slippery slope and I hope I don’t end up like Madonna.

AuntieJoyce
Nor is it relevant when the vast majority of botox procedures relate to forehead or crows feet. But do carry on with your irrelevant bollocks

It's not irrelevant bollocks, it's basic human anatomy. Guess where the muscles around the crowsfeet area extend to? The lower part of the face. They are part of the scaffolding that holds the skin up. Relax them, and they weaken and lengthen as they are no longer being exercised properly and naturally...

The Zigomaticus, for example, extends from the outer eye area down towards where some women experience "marionette lines" and then to the outer parts of the lips Beneath the Zigomaticus lies the Masseter, extending down to the jaw...

Well that is rather stating the anatomical obvious and nobody will disagree.

But that's not the issue; a pp was implying that one of the standard impacts of botox use is sagging when that's not the case. There are many possible side effects of botox (and fillers) and atrophy and sagging (usually after years of prolonged use) is only one of them.

I have no beef in this discussion as I'm not yet 40, and I'd never recommend anyone to have these treatments, but that's their personal choice. But I have an interest in this area and I would again recommend people seek medical advice as there's been some inaccuracies on this thread.

The reason I won't consider it is that I am fine with not being 'perfect' or holding back the time.

Looks to me aren't that important and quite frankly if my DH judged my ageing body he can go somewhere else (but I did pick someone who isn't driven that way either so I guess I already made sure that wasn't important).

Do I judge others for getting it? No but I do wonder why they aren't happy with the skin they are in.

Me OP! Early 50s here and while I haven't been especially bothered by wrinkles, I am getting a bit jowly and more eye wrinkles now. No botox, fillers or any kind of expensive/salon interference for me.

Lots of reasons - one is that I have v sensitive skin and anything actively anti-ageing sets it off, so I dread to think how it might react so something more invasive. Another is that I don't like how people look after lots of treatments and although you hear "oh if you've had good work you can't tell", I agree with PPs that people get more and more addicted to it, and I think they lose sight of what they really look like.

Though I like clothes and sometimes make-up etc I've never really valued myself on the basis of how I look, and I'd rather change naturally as I get older than try to preserve youth - it's not as if I ever had a stunning youthful beauty to preserve. I look to naturally wrinkly and fabulous older women as style icons, like Iris Apfel and Vivienne Westwood. OK maybe they've had something done, of course you can't be sure but they at least look their age and don't care but still like to express themselves - that's what I'm aiming for.

There are many possible side effects of botox (and fillers) and atrophy and sagging (usually after years of prolonged use) is only one of them.

Precisely what was discussed.
So we agree longterm use of botox cancause sagging ?
Thats what I referenced in relation to a couple of MNers who had botox, fillers, liquid facelift, threading ,profhilo and then face/neck lifts in the end.
The sagging was extreme not normal ageing

Precisely what was discussed.
So we agree longterm use of botox cancause sagging ?

It's only a very slight possibility, along with many other possible side effects.

Thats what I referenced in relation to a couple of MNers who had botox, fillers, liquid facelift, threading ,profhilo and then face/neck lifts in the end.
The sagging was extreme not normal ageing

The sagging in those threads was not attributed to botox. It looked like ordinary age -related sagging, nothing extreme. One poster had also lost weight.

I listen to my daughter (early 30's) telling me about her various fillers, laser removal of hair and multiple other interventions with utter incomprehension

She listens to me (early 60's) telling her about no interventions at all with similar incomprehension (and regards my never having shaved off any body hair ever with a kind of semi nauseated horror)

Oh god, I am going to find this so hard. It all seems to be going backwards.

My friend said that and then she met my dad
He genuinely looks 10-15 years younger than he is. And washes his face with anything that foams, it's sickening! Yes he has lines etc but he doesn't look his age
Although I'm grateful for the genes

Yes, 52, had no treatments.
I think most of us fit in to this category.
Would see the women who have both, fillers or whatever as being in the minority.

At about 46 I thought, right, new era, got to give up on aiming to look as gorgeous as possible, as young as possible, challenging even at 40 and I knew years before I changed tack that this was going to make me unhappy, so, deliberate conscious gear change, to look, happy, healthy, stylish and visible.

If this is normal whats the point in all the treatments then?

Several thousands and you end up spending 6K on a face lift anyway.
Im still highly sceptical but perhaps Im just very lucky Ive never had that degree of sagging nor has anyone I know.
Must be the Ponds 😉