Snag Tights email

[WoodSageandSeasalt]

Fully prepared to get slaughtered for this but here goes.

I've bought tights from Snag before (and really like them) so I'm obviously on their mailing list. I'm a shortarsed size 16-18 so very far from a supermodel.

They've emailed this morning to advertise their new knicker range with images of women wearing them in all their glory and it really wasn't what I wanted in my inbox on a Friday morning. My own wobbly cellulite covered arse is bad enough, I don't need to look at other people's.

It feels like the whole 'body positivity' thing is going too far to me, I'm all for people being comfortable in their own skin but does that have to involve sharing it with the rest of the world? Leaving aside the fact it's not generally healthy to be over a certain size - and that includes me.

@Glowtastic

Sorry not sweaty Betty, may have been Nike or Adidas

NIKE use plus size bodies, but they don't sell tights.

People also like to rip about fat models being shown wearing athletic clothes too! Cant win.

@ChiefInspectorParker

I’ve just remembered what the photos remind me of: American Apparel advertising, when they used ‘normal’ women instead of professional models. IIRC the owner(?) took the photos, or some of them? It was all a bit grubby, and those photos had a definite amateur porn vibe about them too. I think posters saying the Snag images show ‘a woman in her own environment’ are being disingenuous. It adds to the ‘webcam’ feel. I’m not crazy about that M&S image upthread, but it’s literally just a model wearing lingerie in a photoshoot type environment. It shows you the lingerie.

Yes exactly -- I mentioned Terry Richardson upthread, but people seem to have forgotten that a lot of those who were heavily invested in the 90s and 00s in that Terry Richardson-style amateur porn bedsit marketing aesthetic, then turned out to be not so savoury IRL (Richardson himself, Dov Charney, etc.)

(It was Dov Charney who was the AA CEO, who turned out not to just be interested in pervy porn images merely as a style feature. but more of a workplace practice....)

Positive, sexy images of big women do not have to by default also buy into the whole "showing off your porny big Kardashian bottom"/upskirting/fetish/webcamming bedsit look that mainstream porn is also very into at the moment. It's not quirky or alternative, it just reminds me of pornhub and Onlyfans. Plus I did take a look at their Insta feed and there's more than one man with anime cat ears dressed up in a little girl dress on that, too -- you couldn't get more into the mainstream "kink" Lolita aesthetic.

@Butteryflakycrust83

No it doesn't. Correlation and causation.

How talking about tights quickly spins into 'Fat cows, you are doing to die!' is just so predictable and boring.

You know nothing about someones health, fat or thin.

I know it's fashionable to not believe what scientists and others who are experts in their field say but I don't think any doctor would tell you it's healthy to be a size 36. The human body was not designed to carry that much weight.

Was that the AA CEO who used to have meetings naked or similar?

@Glowtastic

A friend of mine died from complications brought about by being morbidly obese. His difficulties were complex but he was very lonely and very troubled and he basically ate himself to death at the age of 49. It was very sad but he was completely and totally in denial about the gravity of his problems and massively avoided any attempt by others to help him. I dislike snags advertising, it's not "inclusive", it's irresponsible. There's nothing nothing positive about being breathless, at risk of diabetes, skin ulcers, heart failure, breathlessness and multiple other health problems.

Obesity ruins people's lives. Let's not glorify it. I think sweaty Betty is far more inclusive, a range of body shapes and sizes without the fetishy feel of snag.

My point exactly.

@Lacedwithgrace

I liked their marketing and I'm a size 2. No one feels this strongly against dangerously slim models but the second they show cellulite or a fat roll everyone's disgusted?

I can't believe I had to scroll through so many comments to see one like this. You're absolutely right. Enough people hate the sight of fat bodies but it's not enough that fat people have to hate them as well, it's sad really.

And don't get me started on the 'they only have plus size models' comments. Yeah, how many plus-size models gets regular work? This is ONE website that actually gives a lot of plus size models work.

Same goes for those who want smaller sizes to cater to them. Every other website does.

@Frlrlrubert

If you ever get sick of pulling your tights up, or you want some colours, they are great, for all sizes. I feel like that used to be the message. But I really don't think that's what comes across now.

Yes, yes, yes! Exactly.

As a PP said lots of the photos are so joyful it's a shame they all can't be like that.

As i said earlier and another PP has just said, there's no diversity in age: I don't see a model in her 60s/70s/80s. Why not?

@Glowtastic

Was that the AA CEO who used to have meetings naked or similar?

Yes - he got chucked out by the company board after sleeping with too many of the female employees…used to like masturbating in interviews with female journalists too. Nice!

Surely the idea is so you know what it looks like on someone of your size.

Most companies have plus sizes modelled by people who aren’t plus size but are slightly larger than the super slim models or they use padding on the models so they’re plus size but only in the right places - none of which will help you to decide what actually fits well on someone of your size.

As i said earlier and another PP has just said, there's no diversity in age: I don't see a model in her 60s/70s/80s. Why not?

Because someone will start a thread saying how they don’t want to see grey hair or wrinkled skin.

@Butteryflakycrust83

Fat women existing in underwear, posing exactly like how straight size women pose for UNDERWEAR, is porn apparently.

Just go to M and S - Snag dont want you being uppity and judgy.

I'm scrolling still waiting to see how it's pornographic or like a fetish page 😩 how the hell do you even know what a fetish page looks like? I've never come across one

Same goes for those who want smaller sizes to cater to them. Every other website does

But the point is that they don't! There's very few websites out there that showcase a size 12-14 mammy of 50 who just wants comfort and fit for going to work. I was sick of pulling my tights up constantly- and I need to wait until beeak as I teach and I don't reckon the teenagers in my class would react too kindly to me hoiking up my tights!

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[quote peachgreen]@sliceofcake What's porny about it? It's a woman sitting in her underwear. How is it different to, say, these photos on the MS website? www.marksandspencer.com/calvi-embroidery-underwired-plunge-bra-set-a-e/p/ds8c8d413e1775e9b1e8543e289a4d61d2[/quote]
The real reason MN loves to hate on snag is because they've used a man in some of their marketing. There's a whole other thread on this.

See, it's not just about size. This just happened earlier: reading my newspaper online and as I scrolled this image below popped up (I just ordered from Snag a few days ago so there must be that algorithm thing that advertises to you). My 9 yo DS saw and asked 'Why does that lady have her bum out, mummy?' . I don't think it's terribly acceptable no matter what the size.

PS I've never seen this size of model wear the mock-garters. Do you think they're listening in?

It's special interest pornography and I won't be buying as much as a popsock from them.

PPS why do they called them garters when they're mock suspenders? Are garters not that frilly, silly thing that people used to buy for wedding photos?

@Justkeeppedaling

I don't support all the "body positivity" stuff that's everywhere these days. IT'S NOT OK TO BE FAT! I'm fat, and suffer because of it. I'm losing weight but adverts that tell me there's No shame in being fat, and it's ok don't rely help. Fat people die young, and if they're ill while they're dying it can be very embarrassing for everyone when they can't fit into a normal bed/gown whatever. DH has been volunteering at a vaccine centre. Did you know they have to have special, extra long needles for fat people? Fat people are costing the country a fortune in taxes in one way or another. People should stop telling us being fat is ok. It isn't ok.

Sorry that some fat people love themselves.

@Justkeeppedaling

BTW. I don't hate myself. I'm not that over weight, but a couple of stone heavier than I shield be. I've decided I want to live to see my grand children and to play an active part in their lives.

There are lots of fat old people, you'll be fine

@CurbsideProphet

I don't buy from Snag anymore and have hidden them on Instagram, as the focus seems to be on men and pornographic photos from customers.

Pretty much this! I thought they were great when they started out but putting men in their advertising really put me off ever buying from them again. I preferred it when they focussed on women and would 100% prefer they use a range of sizes.

@Butteryflakycrust83

No it doesn't. Correlation and causation.

How talking about tights quickly spins into 'Fat cows, you are doing to die!' is just so predictable and boring.

You know nothing about someones health, fat or thin.

Also predictable for a SNAG thread.

Come on now! Those models wearing the knickers are not just fat...most of them are morbidly obese.

They must have searched the land up and down and across to find them.

Of course, all this will have driven people(including many wanking men) to their website.

I’m not sure about the inbox thing but I just had a look at their website and think it’s pretty cool. I’m so fed up of looking at women with their arses out who are typical/fake/photoshopped/shiny whatever. I think it’s great that these women feel confident to look sexy. And what I saw looked really attractive (to me, an average, heterosexual, size ten woman). Nobody ever seems to complain about size 8 models, modelling 7nderwear. Why complain about this?

Again - it’s not the bodies, it’s the porn aesthetic. I don’t like the glamorising of porn whatever size the bodies are. It’s not really any different from that faux Terry Richardson look that lots of “edgy” companies adopted for underweight-looking models in the 00s

Agree. Like PPs, I feel that Snag are using larger/disabled models to get away with fetishising women's bodies in a way that is no longer acceptable for conventionally sized models. . We are supposed to applaud, but it feels really exploitative and dishonest to me. I like their footless tights, but I won't be buying from them again.

@Hoppinggreen

I am a size 16 and I am slightly annoyed at their lack of diversity when it comes to size. They have different races, genders, sexes etc but increasingly nobody under a size 18 They risk making themselves a larger persons brand only

I agree rev the lack of diversity. A week or so ago I read a post on here saying they use diverse models and thought the same, they’re all very fat. I don’t relate, quite frankly it’s not a positive message and I’m no longer interested in buying their product.