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Why would you even WANT to copy the Parisienne look?

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GoldfishParade · 15/12/2020 05:56

Just think it's interesting when you see threads but also newspaper articles etc about the "French" look and specifically the Parisian look - a kind of understated elegant style, I get it.

But honestly, having lived in France for a decade now (in six cities in different regions) I really think this is a bit of a misplaced myth, in the same way that in France in some crowds there can be a bit of glamourising around "le gentleman so British". Sure, when you're in london you may very occasionally see some really dapper looking men wearing those big beige overcoats (what are they called by the way? The big flappy things they wear over suits? Like a kind of trench coat?).

But by and large whenever I go back to the UK I genuinely find British women dress better, with more snap, in outfits that have more interest. What I've learnt from my time here is that the whole understated elegance thing doesnt necessarily stem from wanting to look effortless, it's actually about not wanting to stand out from the crowd. I remember a friend asking me if I thought her shoes were too "m'as tu vu" (flashy). They just weren't black. In fact you barely ever see coats here that arent black, grey, or beige. Teenagers basically look no different from their parents. Fashion doesnt really happen at all. I think in the 10 years I've been here nothing has really changed, its still jeans, delicate trainers, a Longchamp handbag and a trench, just like Mum. Maybe the jeans got slightly wider lately; that's all.

It always seems to me theres some fabulous styled women in the UK, "even" outside London. I see "even" because outside of Paris, in the French "provinces" thing start to go downhill quite rapidly IMO.

So why does the French thing continue to inspire? I honestly think in the UK you are freer to experiment, you have more choice, and people by and large look pretty rocking. Maybe the trend for heavy makeup could be toned down a bit, also the fillers trend (from what I'm reading) in the UK is a bit shocking.

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GoldfishParade · 15/12/2020 14:08

And definitely french female presenters are still chosen for their looks, not a Jo Brand in sight.

There is a french presenter who I think is a total gem called Karine Lemarchand (see photo). Yes, shes very glamorous, but shes also incredibly sharp and acerbic and just a very talented presenter IMO.

If you want a real laugh you have to watch a french show called Les Reines du Shopping. It's basically four everyday women are given a budget and a theme and they are followed around by the cameras to see who can choose the most stylish outfit possible. They then have a little catwalk show and they are judged by this woman Cristina who is kind of semi iconic, I think shes Brazilian. The joke is that shes probably one of the least stylish people I've seen, and I always think her recommendations are basically just really awful and naff. I'll try and find you an episode now!

Why would you even WANT to copy the Parisienne look?
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Floisme · 15/12/2020 14:10

I've never been but I suspect it's no more a real Scandinavian look than stripy Ts and beret are French.

GoldfishParade · 15/12/2020 14:13

No subtitles unfortunately but... This episode is called "On trend in a denim skirt"

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Legalhelp · 15/12/2020 14:15

Alexa looks incredible!

I’m British but live abroad, not in France, but know many French mums..they are stylish, it’s sort of casual, not tried too hard or hard at all, thrown on often..but they just look fantastic 🤷🏻‍♀️All the ones I know are very slim, which I think makes the clothes look better and hang off them a little. Not saying that’s more attractive, but clothes wise, it helps.
The Scandinavians where I am are v v cool, a little out there occasionally for my taste, but a very cool look. The Italians I know (not many of this nationality tbf, seem very polished but over the top for my taste, Spanish also not great imo

MarshaBradyo · 15/12/2020 14:16

Call My Agent is a good show for French style

GoldfishParade · 15/12/2020 14:22

@MarshaBradyo

I LOVE that show! I have a girl crush on the woman who plays the main agent Blush

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MarshaBradyo · 15/12/2020 14:26

Yeh! She’s fantastic

LongHotSummerJustPassedMeBy · 15/12/2020 14:32

I crave casual but well cut clothes in natural fabrics, and I think that's all people mean when they talk about French, or Italian, style

So do I. I think those clothes may be easier to find in France and Italy though perhaps, sadly.

LongHotSummerJustPassedMeBy · 15/12/2020 14:32

Oops bold fail, sorry

TheySeeHerRowling · 15/12/2020 14:33

GoldfishParade so do I! I was ridiculously excited when she popped up in the last series of Killing Eve Blush

LongHotSummerJustPassedMeBy · 15/12/2020 14:36

I'm not sure many people my age (49) locally really do 'night life' though

They go to 80s club nights, restaurants, and nice bars where I live. But this is very near a city so I am maybe not as rural as I like to think I am!

Divebar · 15/12/2020 15:21

I crave casual but well cut clothes in natural fabrics, and I think that's all people mean when they talk about French, or Italian, style

Sorry I don’t know who made the initial comment - I’m surprised by that statement to be honest. I can think of a number of retailers ranging from Jigsaw through to Jaeger, Hobbs, Toast, HWL, Plumo depending on the “vibe” that you’re after. ( none of which are my type of brand but deal with quite classic looks). We also have heritage brands like Daks, Aquascutum, Burberry, John Smedley, Pringle.Brora. John Lewis has its own ranges with some timeless looks. Patrick Grants ‘Community Clothing’ has some really classic but still cool looking pieces and the prices are great. There are jeans manufacturers like Hiut. Probably a gazillion other brands I can’t think of. What is it you can’t find there?

Floisme · 15/12/2020 15:40

Just remembered Marylebone! Had a very pleasant afternoon browsing there on my last London visit. Not arty/eccentric, in fact very well heeled, but still had a bit of an indie vibe: Independent boutiques plus stores I rarely get to for real, like Toast and Brora and (I think) Anthropologie and Agnes B. Good bookshop, cafes, nice art gallery/museum (name escapes me) and some very stylish people. I remember staring for ages at one couple in a cafe because they both looked so damn good. Great charity shops too although the prices made my nose bleed. Not really a neighbourhood for bargains but good for high end style/ people watching.

NomadNoMore · 15/12/2020 15:51

I live in rural France in an area with a lot of Parisian holiday home owners. Our weekly market is great for people watching - the locals tend to be larger and wearing market stall type clothes, the Parisians are very pared down, expensive looking boots, beautifully cut jeans, well tied scarves, good jewellery....men and women. It may be boring to some but it's about what works for them and is usually supported by good haircuts, natural makeup.

What I wonder is where they shop...the French high street is awful. I travel a lot and the best clothes shops I've seen (for my fairly dull taste) were in Germany. Italy was too blingy for me

CatherineMaitland · 15/12/2020 15:54

Trouble is they are all quite expensive Divebar - even if they last longer and work out cheaper, if you don't have or can't justify the upfront cost, it's harder to buy from them. Budget wise Uniqlo is worth exploring but the quality is variable from item to item at times. Maybe also COS - seems more affordable to me than Jigsaw, anyway.

I do think if you have a lot of time, you can find well-made things in natural materials from various different shops - I have found things in M&S, New Look, French Connection, H&M etc; or follow items and wait until they go into sales.

NomadNoMore · 15/12/2020 15:58

And yes to Call My Agent - she's mesmerising, "jolie laide". It's such a clever mix of styles and characters.

banivani · 15/12/2020 16:02

I'm Swedish and I'd say stylishness varies over the country ;) But I would say that layers are a thing, but not necessarily in a lagenlook way. That's rather drapey and floaty. Not unheard of, but I connect it to women d'une certaine age who work in the culture sector. In a cold climate though you learn to wear layers. They are more likely to be functional than floaty however.

KirstenBlest · 15/12/2020 16:15

The big flappy coat is a duster coat.

I've noticed that the certain look is how something is work. I saw a south-east asian young woman wearing a really cool jacket. It was from Mango, a shop I hardly venture into.

It would have looked crap on me as I am not the built of the SE asian lady.

Alexa's look is cooler than Clemence's but one is a former model and the other is an actor. Actors tend to be shorter than models.

Alexa's clothes would look crap on me too as I am shortish.

grassisjeweled · 15/12/2020 16:21

Same with the food.

Croissants are the holy grail, fois gras, confit canard? It is really? Or just good publicity?

CountFosco · 15/12/2020 16:43

Not unheard of, but I connect it to women d'une certaine age who work in the culture sector.

That made me laugh because growing up in the north of Scotland (which has lots of Scandi cultural influences) that's exactly the people who wear the look.

IfNotNow12 · 15/12/2020 16:58

I crave casual but well cut clothes in natural fabrics, and I think that's all people mean when they talk about French, or Italian, style

Sorry I don’t know who made the initial comment - I’m surprised by that statement to be honest. I can think of a number of retailers ranging from Jigsaw through to Jaeger, Hobbs, Toast, HWL, Plumo depending on the “vibe” that you’re after.

It was me that said that, but most of those retailers don't do it for me. I went into Jigsaw the other day, and it was all flowery dresses or " work" clothes, so quite smart and often quite boring to me. Toast is just so unflattering on me. I don't particularly want to look like an Amish toddler..I really have no need for office clothes, I guess I want comfort but a bit more lux in terms of fabric, and good shapes. Cos is ok sometimes, but not many natural fabrics. I like simple and plain but with some style, not over embellished or frumpy.
I don't know HWL or Plumo, will check those out.

GoldfishParade · 15/12/2020 17:11

@grassisjeweled
They are massively snobby about British food here but objectively I honestly find the level of cooking in the UK is higher: NOT at "posh" restaurants, I have had some of the best meals of my life in Paris including an incredible carbonnade that inspired me to try for months until I could come close to recreating it at home.

But among the people - I think of course there is the frozen fish fingers and pot noodle crew in the UK, but they have their equivalents in the "pâtes au beurre" and frozen crêpes crew here. When it comes to foodies though I think you get better everyday people cooks in the UK and theres definitely a much broader familiarity with "foreign" ingredients.

Your average bog standard brit will be familiar with indian, thai, chinese, mexican and those are just the "basic" world foods before you even move onto Korean etc. I havent noticed the same at all among the french lower middle classes. They eat French, end of, maybe chinese if they're feeling adventurous. I was even quite shocked to see many look down on Italian cuisine as being #basicbitch. Weirdly though, I've noticed a real French fetish for Japanese food and stuff. In the UK sushi and Japanese things like the art of folding etc is just another culture to tap into, but here there's like this real adulation which is interesting.

Where I think they get it right in france is investing money in their skincare and haircare (again generalising). I have a few friends who arent very well off but they still do buy la roche posay for example. Which is hardly break the bank but it's not cheap either.

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GoldfishParade · 15/12/2020 17:16

In case anyone gets offended I didnt mean those cuisines are basic in themselves at all, I meant basic in the sense that the country has been collectively familiar with them for long enough that they have become "staples": its usual in a british family to have curry, mexican; thai, on a weekly basis cooked at home

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goose1964 · 15/12/2020 17:47

I watch Spiral, a French detective series, and the main character looks scruffy most of the time. I said tho DH that it gives lie to The idea that so French women are stylish

Janegrey333 · 15/12/2020 17:57

@goose1964

I watch Spiral, a French detective series, and the main character looks scruffy most of the time. I said tho DH that it gives lie to The idea that so French women are stylish
People often reference those characters and they have a point!! Only one of the female characters, Joséphine Karlsson, is stylish. She is amazing.

Laure, however, is skanky: I think I once recall her sniffing the underarm of a t shirt, one morning, to check it was not too smelly to wear. Ugh.