🐌 Fantastic Skincare: Vanities Are The New Shelf Porn

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For those who are taking a peek and wondering what this all about, we mostly discuss a bit of advanced skincare here with a perspective of seeking out the right ingredients (rather than the latest new shiny product and all its empty promises) for our particular skin needs. Distinguishing the acid toners from the actives whilst avoiding the truly unimpressive and harmful ingredients with a hope to achieve a bit of anti-ageing, alleviate irritation and sensitivities with some idle chat in between. Newcomers are always welcome but please note the following:

Questions and asking for help on this thread is encouraged, however, we can’t give you a specific routine to follow and hope it works out for the best. There are no overnight miracles in skincare whether it be in the form of products or techniques. It’s about perseverance, understanding your skin, assessing its needs and responding to that in a diligent manner.

These threads were created to help those who want to learn for themselves. We’re a group of interested and invested skincare nuts happy to offer tea and sympathy and dole out advice. Everyone’s journey with skincare is different, what is universal and binds us is that through actually learning about the different active ingredients it helps us get to know our skin and help us adapt as it will change many times throughout our lives - with seasons, hormonal changes, ageing, genetics etc. It's in everyone's best interests to get to know their skin and to keep reviewing those changes with the confidence that comes from the gathered knowledge here. We really encourage you to spend the time reading through previous threads and linked info sheets that the many contributors have taken the trouble to share.

By no means are we experts, we're only a bunch of amateurs that can only respond by suggesting what we would do in your place, for any severe conditions please seek out professional help.

Ahem, and finally a little note on spending. I'm well aware these threads cause many to reach for their wallets and spend with wild abandon. There can sometimes be a bit of a frenzy surrounding the excitement around a newly discovered product or on the back of great improvements when someone reports back. This is all great, it doesn't however, mean everything that's a sudden miracle for one will be it for you. Usually, it's a light bulb moment for connecting the right skincare ingredient with an individual experiencing a specific problem. Take your time to mull over decisions and question whether it's right for you too. Skincare is highly individual, it's a slow game that should cost mostly in patience, input, education, and perseverance. Please don't make it cost you financially needlessly.

I am very slowly working on consolidating the gathered information from previous threads into easier to read formats but it’s slow going. I would suggest reading thread 1 and at the very least the following info sheets (provided they apply to you):

Where to Start

Basics of an Actives Routine

Skin Types vs. Skin Conditions Info Sheet

Anti-Ageing Info sheet

Adult Acne Info Sheet

Understanding Which Sunscreen(s) to Buy

Do I Really Need to Wear Sunscreen Every Single Day of the Year?

A Damaged Skin Barrier - Now What?

So You Want To Buy A Retinoid - A Guide

MAY 2020: We're in lockdown and it's doing weird things to our faces

Sorry, that wasn't directed at you specifically Pupsie.

I stopped following her a while back just because I didn't like all the "most important woman in beauty" she was quoting off the back of press for her book. I came across this via someone else. Take your point, and I've not taken it personally.

What do you suggest re the chin Bo? Strip it right back to basics?

@pupsiecola They contacted me twice for extra information. I was really surprised.

i’m not a fan of any skincare guru because I pick products based on how they perform and whether they suit my skin. On MN the hypocrisy of people attacking women while claiming to be feminists always oustands me especially when it has to do with CH.

If I found someone annoying and didn’t agree with them I would unfollow them and not slag them off anonymously

I think she’s a skincare salesperson and would never take her advice as she just seems to recommend products from whichever company is paying her the most that week. However I do not understand the MN hate threads. She’s just like every other influencers.

I kind of take it as I read the info CH gives and then have a nosy at stuff. I've had some great products I've loved from her blog but I think you can't just buy an entire routine and expect it to work.. but then if you're using nothing but wipes and some sudocrem it's probably a good start? Didn't articulate that very well!

Anyway I have met her and she was lovely in person - she came up to me before the event on her own time and flung me into a huge hug before looking at my skin and commenting I was lying about my age so she's in my good books for that

I've met her twice at events and her and Sali took a lot of time chatting to every single person. I do think her Cheat Sheets are really helpful when you're starting out in particular.

For me it's just a good reminder of what the industry is like.

@Pupsiecola did you move on to the stronger tret or am I confusing you with someone else? If so my apologies

But if yes, I moved strength and and had the same issue to each side of my mouth. I thought it was a mix of the tret and introducing timeless (I should have done that later!)

But anyway I've been using cicaplast for two days now, nothing else apart from gentle cleansing and SPF and it's healing well.

I'd just not use it there for a bit Pupsie and if you ever decide to reintroduce it do it over moisituriser, bit of time in between potentially. Not everyone can handle it there and the neck area, so you're justing going to have to see.

Skin+Me definitely sounds an improvement with the following up aspect of it. Curious to hear how the experience differs further on.

Exactly that cinammon, the hypocrisy and selective outrage. I just don't see eye to eye to her approach to skincare and how that is translated in her social media and business conduct has made me want nothing to do with her. Not that that is relevant in this case, however, you either support the right for everyone to speak freely or you don't, you don't get to pick and choose to suit your own positions and it certainly isn't the green light for going after someone's appearance.

I think these type of blogs can be useful when you go in eyes wide open but at the end of the day they're not impartial. Not that this space is without bias but it is relatively free (as far as I can tell anyhow and I do consider myself to have good SPAMdar) of commercial interest.

Yes ag that was me. I have been using the Timeless Vit C for around 6 months. I've introduced the retinol every other night and buffered it and am still at that strange with the stronger one. Thanks both. I'll dig out the Cicaplast and just leave off the retinol for a few days generally I think.

Interestingly I can use it on most of my neck and down my décolletage. But there is a horizontal patch at the base of my neck/top of my collar bone where I can't so I always skip that bit.

I've never followed CH as I generally avoid influencers but she does seem to be someone that is endless causing either worship or hatred.

I finished my dermo cleanse at the weekend and am yet to find a new bottle so have been using the yves rocher cleansing milk, smells like im sticking my face in a bouquet of flowers which is nauseating but no reaction so far. Is there a known dermo cleanse alternative by vichy, neutrogena or even a different LRP product? ideally low or unscented.

out, Vichy cleansers tend to be very highly fragranced. The Normaderm Phytogel is really liked by some acne prone skin folk, it's SA based, gel though so may be on the dryer side. Not sure how big the Neutrogena range is but this one is meant to be good. They don't sell it where I am though, just the standard fragranced hydroboost one. From LRP there's also the Toleriane caring/hydrating wash but if you're not finding the dermo I'm not sure they'd have that one.

I've not seen vitriol towards CH on here but then I guess I wouldn't as I only tend to read this thread and a couple of other specific ones.

Chin looking less angry already after the Cicaplast last night.

There's a particularly unpleasant one on S&B atm, Pupsie, not sure if it's still going. I hid it when it became pretty clear there was no point in interacting. I thought your original comment was prompted by that one.

No I've not seen that thread Bo. Sometimes I'll look at the Active Threads and scroll through the first dozen and look closer if anything is of interest but I don't follow specific boards (not even S&B) so I hardly see anything new. Which is just as well from a time perspective.

I came across the Tata Harper conversation on IG. I'd say Tata Harper was one of her absolute favourite brands. Never tried them myself.

thanks bo neutrogena is a funny one here we get random bits from all over the place so possible they'll have it, will also have a look for the LRP one you mentioned, everywhere seems to have entire ranges of LRP apart from dermo cleanse. I probably want to avoid anything to drying as my skin actually improved when I switched from LRP effaclar foaming wash each daily to dermo cleanse with the foaming wash only on heavy suncream days.

Yes, Out, the Normaderm is probably a comparable range to effaclair, so avoiding makes sense. No Eucerin available by any chance? Think I already asked that once, I remember Avene being unavailable.

I've tried a few Tata Harper things (samples of various sizes) as I liked the ethos of it all being sourced from a lovely estate in Maine (I think) all manufactured and bottled (and lovely bottles too!) there. It's nice but I wasn't wowed, and certainly not for the prices. Did really like the resurfacing mask but I'm not big on all the essential oils so just tend to avoid. I can certainly see that if you've always used Dr. Haushka that this is a plusher leveled up version.

She's allegedly very abusive to her staff (Estée Laundry, again, my blacklist just keeps getting longer whenever I check in on that account, latest I won't be buying from is Cult Beauty) which is a bit jarring alongside the peace and love ethos the brand exudes. I think there was something similar long before with a brand CH was practically force feeding everyone, Kypris (?), the owner turned out to be a loose canon and completely inappropriate on social media to customers so I can make a pretty good guess how she treated her staff.

That is one thing I do find very bothersome with CH, she'll don the consumer advocate badge when it suits her and doesn't cost her but whenever something surfaces like the Estée Laundry exposées (and I know they're a problematic account as well) she'll just shrug and make her followers out for twits for not knowing, because everyone knows this obviously, oh the stories she could tell.

End of the day, she still appears to be fairly entrenched into the industry and isn't all that independent and subsequently neither is the advice, regardless of whether she's been directly paid to promote it or not.

Bo IG posts I read about Tata Harper were calling them out because of the image they portray vs the reality (for example, the climate in Maine would make growing enough ingredients for all products on their "farm" impossible: how their custom made green bottles would cost a fortune to make and a small 'green' business would not be able to afford to do that). I don't think I could find it again as it wasn't from someone I follow.

I must say I did always find it very suspicious that everything could be sourced from one estate that wasn't obviously designed with a beauty empire in mind, I'm no botanical/agricultural expert but I assume that would take years to cultivate. I mean, I know some estates in the US can be massive but doing everything in one spot seemed very ambitious and to my mind on that basis alone, impossible. I just assumed the majority of it happened there and other aspects sourced as locally as possible. At the risk of being a hypocrite, I too am saying, I'm surprised people are surprised 🙈

I now need to look into what Cult Beauty are up to. I had already bought a giant tub (and it is HUGE) of Biogeo conditioner so too late on that one.

Allegedly cult beauty fired BIPOC staff who had been there for a very long time under the excuse of Covid19 and retained white staff members who were only working there for a very short period of time (weeks) and general allegations of racist managers.

There can obviously be another side to this story, but it does seem an odd business decision, especially for a company that's digital only and would likely see an increase in sales with physical stores closed during lockdown. They've yet to respond so 🤷

Suprised to see the cult beauty controversy. I wonder how they’ll respond. I mean if it is true then it goes beyond bad PR, the ex employees could take them to court for wrongful dismissal.

My Skinandme treatment came in and I’m really impressed with the quality of the packaging. The tube is an aluminium, click up tube and is very sturdy and heavy. (I had a hard time opening it, it seemed welded shut). I’ll try it tonight because I am impatient even though I know I should patch test for longer.

oooh, trying not to order from Skin + Me as I am always tempted by good packaging

But really should use up what I already have as I despise waste.

@ilovemydogandmrobama2

I am tempted very easily .
I’m sure they will have this offer on for the first few months as they try and establish a client base so I doubt you’ll miss out.

I actually do have some dermatica left so want to use this and dermatica to compare and see which is worth the cost.