🐌 Fantastic Skincare: Is Everyone Having Botox Without Me? 💉

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For those who are taking a peek and wondering what this all about, we mostly discuss a bit of advanced skincare here with a perspective of seeking out the right ingredients (rather than the latest new shiny product and all its empty promises) for our particular skin needs. Distinguishing the acid toners from the actives whilst avoiding the truly unimpressive and harmful ingredients with a hope to achieve a bit of anti-ageing, alleviate irritation and sensitivities with some idle chat in between. Newcomers are always welcome but please note the following:

Questions and asking for help on this thread is encouraged, however, we can’t give you a specific routine to follow and hope it works out for the best. There are no overnight miracles in skincare whether it be in the form of products or techniques. It’s about perseverance, understanding your skin, assessing its needs and responding to that in a diligent manner.

These threads were created to help those who want to learn for themselves. We’re a group of interested and invested skincare nuts happy to offer tea and sympathy and dole out advice. Everyone’s journey with skincare is different, what is universal and binds us is that through actually learning about the different active ingredients it helps us get to know our skin and help us adapt as it will change many times throughout our lives - with seasons, hormonal changes, ageing, genetics etc. It's in everyone's best interests to get to know their skin and to keep reviewing those changes with the confidence that comes from the gathered knowledge here. We really encourage you to spend the time reading through previous threads and linked info sheets that the many contributors have taken the trouble to share.

By no means are we experts, we're only a bunch of amateurs that can only respond by suggesting what we would do in your place, for any severe conditions please seek out professional help.

Ahem, and finally a little note on spending. I'm well aware these threads cause many to reach for their wallets and spend with wild abandon. There can sometimes be a bit of a frenzy surrounding the excitement around a newly discovered product or on the back of great improvements when someone reports back. This is all great, it doesn't however, mean everything that's a sudden miracle for one will be it for you. Usually, it's a light bulb moment for connecting the right skincare ingredient with an individual experiencing a specific problem. Take your time to mull over decisions and question whether it's right for you too. Skincare is highly individual, it's a slow game that should cost mostly in patience, input, education, and perseverance. Please don't make it cost you financially needlessly.

I am very slowly working on consolidating the gathered information from previous threads into easier to read formats but it’s slow going. I would suggest reading thread 1 and at the very least the following info sheets (provided they apply to you):

Where to Start

Basics of an Actives Routine

Skin Types vs. Skin Conditions Info Sheet

Anti-Ageing Info sheet

Adult Acne Info Sheet

Understanding Which Sunscreen(s) to Buy

Do I Really Need to Wear Sunscreen Every Single Day of the Year?

A Damaged Skin Barrier - Now What?

NEW SERIES:

So You Want To Buy A Retinoid - A Guide

December 2019: Time for The Snailies way more reliable and better than the MN recommends annual roundup (yes I'm still bitter about them quoting me in isolation and making me sound like a wanker please don't revoke my special image allowance privileges, MNHQ )

Also: Thread 20 in time for 2020!!! Ahem, where are my presents?

I'll give it a go. Have signed up to Dermatica so will see what they recommend

Thanks as always @botemp I shall pass this info on to her

Bo the deviant toner is £34 here with free p&p, P50 is £67 and Embassy of Beauty charge £6 for delivery. Must admit I hadn’t realised the deviant is 50ml less but it still works out a bit cheaper, could be a false economy though if it doesn’t give as good results.

@SallieSallow @botemp I will definitely keep you both updated on how it performs. I was researching P50 but it is slightly more expensive and I didn’t want to fork out £70 for the big bottle. The deviant one is only £34 even though it’s smaller so I decided to try it out to see if I liked it.

P50 is probably what I’ll try next if it doesn’t work out although I’m slightly scared of the apparent smell...

Morning ladies.
I've really gone back to basics with skincare as I was starting to go a bit crazy again with switching too often etc. I'm literally cleansing with avene extremely gentle and then going straight in with lrp toleriane ultra fluid and mineral SPF in the morning. My skin is very sensitive and reactive/combination/dry. I do not seem to get on with HA, or any form of acid including azealic etc, they tend to break me out or cause problems in other ways with irritation and/or dryness. Is there anything I should use after cleansing and before moisturising to help the barrier? Superdrug serum was not great for me either.

Glad to hear everyone seems to be doing well, intercountry travel has been suspended here so I can no longer reach the fancy chemist or international supermarket so my plans to buy Vichy 89 after payday have been cancelled. As has the plan to find a resurfacing wash for the acne.
I have instead roped DP into putting effaclar astringent on my back every evening and google told me antidandruff shampoo can help so I washed my back and shoulders with that last night and if they haven't fallen off in the next 24 hours I'll give it a go 3 times a week.
One perk of the closed county lines means at least nobody will see me in the current state I'm in.

Hi all,

Hope you dont mind if I join you. I'm hoping to emerge from lockdown looking better than I went in.

Has anyone found a way to deal with broken capilaries?

My Dermatica arrived yesterday. Very impressed given that I only completed the form/provided photos on Saturday. I'll be taking it very slowly and I'll let you all know how it goes.

First application last night and nothing noticeable on application which is a good start. Won't use it tonight.

Having looked at the INCIs side by side, the BR P50 is definitely more PHA heavy whilst the Deviant relies on the gentler AHAs, there's hardly any PHA in it. Efficacy of those AHAs depends on skin type, mandelic is good with acne prone skin, lactic suits most. So it definitely lives up to the gentle aspect (I'm assuming a not too low pH either), which P50 is not, sort of, it's gentle in a way but it's pretty strong too, which makes little sense unless you've used it, I acknowledge. I've never had issue with the scent, but I use unfragranced skincare pretty much exclusively so skincare smells don't seem that odd to me. It's a shame BR is marked up so heavily in Pounds.

Too bad you can't reach the fancy places out, I suppose you can now start eyeing the kitchen for skincare uses

Welcome Tess, feel free to join. I thinkPupsie had hers treated with a newer procedure in London and got good results. It somewhat falls outside of the realm of skincare to fix, although avoiding certain ingredients and lots of use of sunscreen is key to management. Do you have rosaceae as well?

Client, can you help me whittle down my list of samples as €120 is just a bit insane to spend on little jars. The ones with an asterisk I definitely want to buy. How much of the clump cream do you use, as I understand it's very little so maybe I'm better off buying two samples rather than the full size. Also, olaplex 3, is it really that great, I don't really have damage so I'm not sure if it's worth doing, my hairdresser uses the shampoo and conditioner on me and my hair hates it.

Noughty Wave Hello Curl Defining Shampoo (30ml)
Innersense i create hold (30ml)
Jessicurl Gentle Lather Shampoo (no fragrance) (30ml)
Jessicurl Hair Cleansing cream (30ml) (no fragrance)
Jessicurl Rockin' Ringlets Styling Potion (no fragrance)(30ml)
*Jessicurl Spiralicious Styling Gel (No Fragrance) (30ml)
Olaplex no3 Hair Perfector Treatment (15-30ml) - 15ml
Umberto Giannini - Curl Jelly scrunching jelly (30ml)
Curls Blueberry Bliss reparative Leave in conditioner (30ml)
*Ecoslay Orange marmalade Gel (30ml)
*Kinky Curly Knot Today Leave in conditioner (30ml)
*Bounce Curl Clump & Define creme (15-30ml) - 15ml
Innersense Innersense I Create Lift Volumizing Foam (70 ml)
*Innersense Innersense I Create Volume (59 ml)
Jessicurl Jessicurl Gelebration Spray
Fragrance: No Fragrance 59 ml
*Jessicurl Jessicurl Deep Conditioning Treatment
Fragrance / Content: No Fragrance 59 ml

Never tried olaplex and yes, tiny amount of the clump cream!

Added some notes
Personally I would go cleansing cream, RR, spiralicious, clump cream, ecoslay and something from innersense to try

Noughty Wave Hello Curl Defining Shampoo (30ml) - ok but nothing special
Innersense i create hold (30ml) - not used
Jessicurl Gentle Lather Shampoo (no fragrance) (30ml) - not used
Jessicurl Hair Cleansing cream (30ml) (no fragrance) - not used but I do want to try
Jessicurl Rockin' Ringlets Styling Potion (no fragrance)(30ml) - LOVE
Jessicurl Spiralicious Styling Gel (No Fragrance) (30ml) - LOVE
Olaplex no3 Hair Perfector Treatment (15-30ml) - 15ml - not used
Umberto Giannini - Curl Jelly scrunching jelly (30ml) - used and don't like
Curls Blueberry Bliss reparative Leave in conditioner (30ml) - not used
Ecoslay Orange marmalade Gel (30ml) - as prev posts!
Kinky Curly Knot Today Leave in conditioner (30ml) - not used but heard good things
Bounce Curl Clump & Define creme (15-30ml) - 15ml - prev posts
Innersense Innersense I Create Lift Volumizing Foam (70 ml) - not used
Innersense Innersense I Create Volume (59 ml) - not used
Jessicurl Jessicurl Gelebration Spray
Fragrance: No Fragrance 59 ml - not used or heard much about TBH
Jessicurl Jessicurl Deep Conditioning Treatment
Fragrance / Content: No Fragrance 59 ml - not used but would it be enough for a deep condition as my hair needs loads?

"Hi mini, is Viola that Amazon one? I believe it's using a derivative of vitamin c but presenting it as the gold standard (dodgy marketing), depending on which one it is (I'm guessing SAP) that can be useful or useless to you. I can't find INCI very quickly so if you can post it here that would help. As an aside, the EWG is a lobby with a very specific agenda, it has little to do with a scientific approach to skincare. If you just want to check ingredients use incidecoder or cosdna, they're not without bias either but they're more neutral.

How sensitive are you exactly, do you go red easily, or break out from products, or get dermatitis, etc?"

@botemp Apologies for delay in coming back to you, I've copied your reply to me above for ease of reference!

The Viola serum is now suddenly "out of stock and not sure if it's coming back" status on Amazon so won't bother posting the INCI and wasting your time. I've been doing a bit of reading on vitamin C since reading your post and this thread and can see that L ascorbic acid is ideally what you need to look for? I didn't understand your comment above that the Viola vit C may or may not be of any use to me? Do some types of vit C work on some people and not others? This is a minefield isn' t it!!!

I am aware of EWG's ethos and bias but am comfortable that (for me anyway) it still provides a useful resource. Thank you for the other databases though, they also will be really useful and I wasn't aware of them. I have multiple health issues (endocrine/automimmune) and have been very ill (barely functioning ill) for a number of years (which I am thankfully starting to emerge from fingers crossed :-)) so don't want to use anything on my skin or in my home that could potentially have a detrimental effect on my health; I especially avoid endocrine disruptors. I am also sensitive to a lot of ingredients in cleaning products more generally and can get headaches, dizziness etc so have to be careful about what I use at home in that respect. It's very annoying especially when I am out and someone starts cleaning :-( I am waiting for allergy testing but obviously this has been postponed at the moment.

As I am sure you can understand I would rather be over cautious than under, given my experience/poor health, it's just not worth the risk! Obviously can't avoid everything but I seek to minimise as much as possible. So I am not just seeking to avoid skin irritants, but also anything that could cause a wider health concern.

In answer to your question, I have lots of skin issues. I have very thin, translucent (that makes it sound much nicer than it is!) pale skin that prone to creasing and sunburn and blotchiness. My skin gets red very easily and I have rosacea. If I use the wrong products, I get breakouts but I haven't had this happen for ages since I started using Tropic skincare which is the best thing I have found to suit my skin so far in that it seems to be super gentle and doesn't irritate my face. Their tamanu balm is great at getting any rosacea flare ups under control so I don't need to resort to antibiotic cream I have dry cheeks and oily T zone, and big pores. I have eczema too, but not on my face - I have seborrheic eczema on my scalp and vaginally :-( and pompholyx eczema on my hands. Having said all of the above which makes it sound like I can't leave the house without a bag over my head, I am 47 and am often told I look a lot younger so it's not all bad.

Thank you again for taking the time to read this and respond. Your pinned resources are amazing by the way! Must have taken you ages!

Back on the topic of vitamin C, what's your thoughts on glyceryl ascorbate?

On a separate note, (just reading through pinned documents)....thermal water - what's this all about? Not heard of this before so thought I'd check the price. Wow! This appears to be highly priced water in a can (is it gold plated? as my mum would say, lol!). What's the difference between thermal water, and some tap or mineral water in a spray bottle?

Thanks Client, that will help bring it down a bit. Gelebration is a lighter version of rocking ringlets meant for finer hair, I think I'll try RR first and see how that goes. Do you have any thoughts on Denman brushes vs Tangle Teezer vs Wet Brush? I'm renter unconvinced they're magical.

Mini, it's not that vitamin c works differently for different people but it's a bit of a pyramid scheme. L-AA ascorbic acid is the gold standard at the top and has a multitude of benefits and most of the research behind it. Then you have the derivatives and not all are equal, nor well researched and most operate on a 'it's likely to be beneficial like L-AA ascorbic acid' but none are as multifaceted or as measurably effective. L-AA ascorbic has the downside of being very finicky, requiring quite specific formulations that can be quite sensitising and/or irritating.

Since you're quite sensitive with very thin skin and other issues I'd point you towards the derivatives for that reason. But since the derivatives have different qualities it's not always easy to pick. SAP for example is not a bad Vitamin C but if you're looking for the standard benefits then it's less interesting, it is, however, great for people with acne as it performs very similar to benzoyl peroxide without the bleaching and irritation but it's not the brightening or glow up formula that vitamin C is normally marketed as.

Hence, different benefits for different people. I'm not that familiar with bis-glyceryl ascorbate, it's relatively new and mostly added to other actives like retinol and other forms of vitamin C derivatives as an enhancer. New usually means lots of promise and potentially interesting but it's a bit more of a gamble in terms of long term performance and knowing what the ideal type of formulation, percentage and possibly pH you should be looking out for where we know that very specifically for L-AA.

My preferred derivative for sensitive skin is Tetrahexyldecyl Ascorbate, I've used the version from Medik8 and it has a lot of the properties of L-AA but without the irritation. Only difficult thing to determine as a user is to whether it's collagen stimulating like L-AA but when that form isn't a realistic option for you, it's not really worth contemplating too much. Garden of Wisdom also make a version, the ingredient list is extremely minimal so should be considerably 'safe' for you and it's only slightly more expensive than the Viola.

Vitamin C is definitely a minefield and unfortunately a bit of a buzz marketing ingredient which makes the confusion even greater. I've been meaning to make an info sheet for it for a while but it's a lot of information to put together and for most people L-AA is the obvious answer because it does it all. A choice of derivative is therefore determined from what attracted you to vitamin c, there are less guarantees so for collagen stimulation MAP is the best researched of all the derivatives so that's the more obvious choice for that benefit, for pigmentation you'd pick another, for acne another, etc.

On the thermal water, it's long been dismissed as fancy schmancy nonsense, but it's often a game changer for sensitive skin due to the high content of minerals that are restoring and soothing to the skin barrier and contain a lot of the naturally present moisturising factors (NMF) of the skin that are quite often depleted in sensitive/compromised skin. For normal skin it probably is superfluous but could have its benefits in hard water areas.

There's a lot of newer research though on the prebiotic qualities of thermal water for skin health, it's all funded by the French pharmacy brands that have been emphasising how amazing thermal water is for forever (and there is research to support that for specific skin conditions) so it's not entirely impartial but the prebitocs scene is one of the more interesting developments in skincare for a while so not to be dismissed entirely.

It's a fine mist so they last pretty long, I pick them up for a few euros in France, you'd go through bottled mineral water (which isn't necessarily the same as thermal water) a lot quicker.

Same as you to be honest, not convinced! I think some brushes are more gentle than others but none are miracle workers

bo I'm already eyeing up the apparently incorrect coffee I bought for a body scrub .

I'm a big fan of tangle tease and wet brushes but my hair is wavy rather than fully curly. It is highly prone to matting if I neglect it or its particularly windy and both are great at untangling the matts with less breakage

I'm wavy too but it doesn't really tangle, my fingers generally just glide through 🤷

Coffee grinds are meant to be good for cellulite but I think they have to be used.

I use & love Wetbrush but my hair is thick/coarse/frizzy rather than curly & same as Out prone to matting. I found tangle teaser useless & couldn’t even get it through my hair, it’s years since I used denman but don’t remember them being anything special.

Thanks for that comparison Bo think I’ll stick with P50 as I tolerate it fine so seems a bit daft to go back to something less potent. The huge mark up on it here does annoy me though as well as only being able to buy it from one stockist.

@botemp having examined more closely that redness looks like broken capillaries
It's why I wear foundation every day otherwise I get comments about why am I red and what's up with my face etc etc. Argh

Just to update I have been cleansing with a flannel and not in the shower anymore... and my skin feels better just making that change... I have stayed out of the sun and used spf daily!

My dermatica has been dispatched today so I'm excited to get that, probably had to wait about 10 days for the consultation as there was a waiting list!

Need to work on my diet and drinking more water, getting better sleep still tho but I'm excited to be changing things even a tiny bit!

Thank you for your advice

Hi ladies,

I have just stumbled on your post, how lucky!

I posted the following this morning; hope you'll help me please!

I suffer from keratosis pilaris (KP) and have just decided to start tackling it seriously. So I ordered the following:

• Salux Japanese Beauty Skin Wash Cloth that I read about on Mumsnet (www. class="break-all" href="https://amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B008ET8FYW/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?th=1%29&ie=UTF8&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-style-and-beauty-3773960--Fantastic-Skincare-Is-Everyone-Having-Botox-Without-Me" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B008ET8FYW/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?tag=mumsnetforum-21&ie=UTF8&th=1)

• Revitale Salicylic Acid Scrub Soap

(www. class="break-all" href="https://amazon.co.uk/Revitale-Salicylic-Exfoliating-Softening-Anti-Blemish/dp/B06XW6GCD6/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=revitale&qid=1588156332&sr=8-1%29&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-style-and-beauty-3773960--Fantastic-Skincare-Is-Everyone-Having-Botox-Without-Me" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">amazon.co.uk/Revitale-Salicylic-Exfoliating-Softening-Anti-Blemish/dp/B06XW6GCD6/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=revitale&qid=1588156332&sr=8-1)

• Revitale Advanced Salicylic Acid & Sulphur Scrub Treatment Soap (www. class="break-all" href="https://amazon.co.uk/Revitale-Advanced-Salicylic-Sulphur-Treatment/dp/B07L37F1RT/ref=pd_sbs_194_1/257-5667966-1355522?psc=1&pf_rd_p=2773aa8e-42c5-4dbe-bda8-5cdf226aa078&_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_wg=osRmS&pf_rd_r=RG71Z3J9D85K4HQSM757&pd_rd_i=B07L37F1RT&pd_rd_w=QMzBd&refRID=RG71Z3J9D85K4HQSM757%29&pd_rd_r=8f64e178-170a-4f72-892e-4c6716f5f37e&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-style-and-beauty-3773960--Fantastic-Skincare-Is-Everyone-Having-Botox-Without-Me" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">amazon.co.uk/Revitale-Advanced-Salicylic-Sulphur-Treatment/dp/B07L37F1RT/ref=pd_sbs_194_1/257-5667966-1355522?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B07L37F1RT&pd_rd_r=8f64e178-170a-4f72-892e-4c6716f5f37e&pd_rd_w=QMzBd&pd_rd_wg=osRmS&pf_rd_p=2773aa8e-42c5-4dbe-bda8-5cdf226aa078&pf_rd_r=RG71Z3J9D85K4HQSM757&psc=1&refRID=RG71Z3J9D85K4HQSM757)

• CeraVe SA Smoothing Cream

(www. class="break-all" href="https://amazon.co.uk/CeraVe-Smoothing-Moisturising-Cream-177ml/dp/B07WL7WV52/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=cerave%20smoothing&qid=1588156251&sr=8-1%29&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-style-and-beauty-3773960--Fantastic-Skincare-Is-Everyone-Having-Botox-Without-Me" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">amazon.co.uk/CeraVe-Smoothing-Moisturising-Cream-177ml/dp/B07WL7WV52/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=cerave+smoothing&qid=1588156251&sr=8-1)

*Which soap should I start using first? Also, which essential oil would it be safe to add to my shower gel while also using the other products?

*DD (6) suffers from mild KP. Any advice regarding how to tackle hers too please?

Any tips/ recommendations are gratefully received.

Thanks in advance!

@botemps. Thank you so much for your comprehensive and helpful reply! I will have a good read over the weekend and try a product out. I'll report back to let you know how it goes. I might even buy a thermal water!

On one positive note, in the last few days (based on the info in this thread and your documents) I have made the small changes of double cleansing at night and have stopped the hot showers 😢 so only washing with tepid/luke warm water it's only been a few days and my skin looks better already! More even colour and just a little softer and brighter. Very exciting! Keeping fingers crossed it's not a fluke!! 🤞🏻

That's annoying Client, you are bang in the age range for rosacea to present itself, unfortunately. Who are these weirdos commenting on your face though? They sound terribly rude.

Missy, glad to hear you've been getting on well

Hiya Sakuratu, KP is a tough one, I know from experience.

The three main actives that can help are Urea, Lactic Acid, Retinoids and to some extent BHA and other AHAs like glycolic.

Sometimes it's one active, sometimes a combination. There's also dietary triggers, dairy, sugar, and gluten being the suspicious ones. Fish oil supplements are also worth considering as a supplement if you don't eat oily fish twice a week.

My KP is very minimal these days after figuring out which combination of actives works for me on which body parts (legs and arms seem to respond differently with me 🤷). Main lesson I learned is that physical exfoliation, so that's exfoliating scrubs and flannels, work in the short term but make it worse in the long. GPs and dermatologists I've seen for it also strongly advised against using them, so from that perspective the first three items on your list I would not use. I happen to use the Cerave SA smoothing cream on my legs, where it works well on my mild KP and tendency to ingrown hairs, it does nothing for my arms though. Do make sure to use it right out of the shower, doesn't need to be wet skin but don't leave it too long as it otherwise struggles to penetrate.

I would suggest swapping out shower gel for a cleansing oil as this doesn't strip the naturally moisturising lipids of your skin unlike soaps and shower gels. Keeping skin well fed with moisturising factors is key to managing KP and managing is all you can do, there's no cure for it (prescription tretinoin drastically reduced mine permanently though). Bioderma, Eucerin, Avene, etc. all do good cleansing oils in their atoderm/extremely dry skin ranges. Don't add essential oils to anything going on the skin. They don't do anything beneficial to skin, they're more harmful than anything as they're phototoxic and damage doesn't show up until much later, it's really not worth it for the nice smell.

For your DD, difficult to say due to age as I know urea and BHA are not to be used on young children but I'm not sure the exact age range. It's probably best to discuss with a GP but you can make the switch to cleansing oil for her too, it can be used in the bath, just not as exciting as foam, so maybe use both (not as effective but not a killjoy either). I'd moisturise with something like Aveeno for her, it doesn't particularly have any interesting actives traditionally used for KP (their USP is colloidal oatmeal which is a great moisturiser) but I have known it to work well for some children with KP.

@botamp Wow! Thanks so much for taking the time to respond in such a detailed way. I am grateful. I will take into consideration everything you said.
I have just discovered this Palmer’s Cocoa Butter Formula Anti-Aging Smoothing Lotion 250ml
www.boots.com/palmers-cocoa-butter-formula-anti-aging-smoothing-lotion-250ml-10092191?affwin&awc=2041_1588231317_5fd446bbc406db8bef6db0d7e66ad0ba&utm_campaign=Skimlinks-78888&utm_medium=Sub+Networks&utm_source=affiliates

and I am wondering if it is any good as it is way cheaper than the others. Can I alternate between Palmer's and Cerave maybe? or use it on my arms and leave the Cerave for my legs?

I'm not sure, but IIRC the Palmer's used to be good but something changed about it and it's no longer that good, I think. I'd just start simple and use the Cerave soothing cream all over, which is BHA heavy but also contains urea and lactic acid. Just use it everywhere on the body for at least four to six weeks and assess how it works on each part of the body, you may just be lucky and respond the same on legs and arms. If it doesn't work one set (or both) just switch those to something else eg. Ameloriate which is more lactic acid heavy, then move to an urea heavy formulation, then an AHA heavy formulation, a Retinoid heavy, etc. (It tends to get more expensive, unfortunately).

@botamp thanks for all the useful info!
As I have already ordered it, can I still use the Revitale Advanced Salicylic Acid & Sulphur Scrub Treatment Soap once a week in the shower? is it safe to use with the Cerave cream? It won't cause burns or anything of the sort?

What about the Revitale Salicylic Acid Scrub Soap, is it safe to use on the face once a day or every other day? I don't have kp on my face but suffer from some hormonal acne and blackheads on my nose and chin.

Thanks!