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Les Parisiennes des Mamansnet: Too much good taste can be very boring. Independent style, on the other hand, can be very inspiring.

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botemp · 13/07/2019 13:20

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Les Parisiennes des Mamansnet: Too much good taste can be very boring. Independent style, on the other hand, can be very inspiring.
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botemp · 24/09/2019 07:00

Last one, think there are more (about Briogeo) but I'm rather useless when it comes to IG.

Les Parisiennes des Mamansnet: Too much good taste can be very boring. Independent style, on the other hand, can be very inspiring.
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Floisme · 24/09/2019 07:23

I've not read bo's posts yet - is this another reason for me to give up on make up? - but bani I think if anything it's probably the opposite, that for me, brogues with skinnies emphasise how small your feet are in proportion to the rest of your body. (I often wonder why we don't topple over as soon as we stand up - is that just me?) So I think something chunkier like say a doc marten (the lace up shoe not the whole boot thing) looks more balanced. Yes your feet look bigger but that's kind of the point. Or something. I'm not very good at thinking through why something doesn't work for me. I tend to just look and think 'nah'.

Redandblue11 · 24/09/2019 07:36

Thanks bo I have half a tub of their shampoo, which I found good ...even though not amazing or anything close to justify the cost. Mind you , did get rid of my itchy scalp on neck area and hair doesn’t have the build up it had acquired. But I am sure there are more middle of the road brands that can do the same and just has a “normal “ working atmosphere.
I tend to be a bit sceptical about those sort of things but up to a point ...is this enough to tip me over?

botemp · 24/09/2019 07:56

Part of me finds it difficult to make a fair assessment. European vs American workplace culture makes it more shocking in a sense and certain protections we are used to just can't be expected over there and it differs state to state.

Then there are no guarantees other brands aren't doing the same, from the other input it appears that the big 3, Coty, L'Oréal and Estée Lauder Companies all have set the template for beauty brands to treat their staff in a certain way. Start ups have their own issues and a lot is excused away as 'start up issues' rather than brand founders are simply incapable of running a business and treating staff with respect. Then there's the business model of investing in small business brands, injecting just enough cash to make it a threat to a larger corporation, sell it to said corporation and either suddenly become crap or cease existing all together where essentially whatever happens within those businesses isn't of concern to anyone as it's just a temporary place holder.

But none of that excuses it, and for me simply knowing of it does put me off purchasing Briogeo, but I was already somewhat suspect about the universal love of it (but they don't offer samples), winning loads of beauty magazine awards (that are known to be easily bought) and they've had a weird relationship with the black hair community despite having origins there.

I currently use Christophe Robin haircare, equally ridiculously priced but a bottle lasts me a year. I usually end up coming back to this brand, and should probably just stick with it. However, I'm no more convinced things are better over there than elsewhere. Though I did get the impression that at least the big corporations like L'Oréal are far better employers in Europe than in the US.

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banivani · 24/09/2019 08:21

BTL - of course. Too tired yesterday! Yeah I've given up on comments. :(

Flo This is a problem I've never had. I have the uncomfortable feeling of looking like I'm wearing clown shoes quite often. Grin I also just think "nah" but I want to learn.

Bo yes, if the Norwegian CA is like the Swedish one then they have a mandate to oversee marketing towards consumers so it is within the law. So it's the sustainability claim that was iffy as I understand it.

Lush has also been roundly criticized for treating employees badly - I refer to the blog Mitherings from Morningside who collects instances of this.

As long as Kevin Murphy is not being slated we're okay, I'm quite fond of KM. Never heard of Briogeo...

quirkychick · 24/09/2019 11:50

bani, I like KM products, but my hairdresser no longer stocks them due to them not being vegan Sad. I hope they're ethical.

I like the chunky look on shoes/boots with skinny trousers or tights too. I think it's because I have long legs and am an inverted triangle, so it balances me out better. KarenBritChick had some amazing Prada boots in her fall video, that she wore with a floaty dress. It could just be the inner goth/grungy/indie kid in me, though Smile.

botemp · 25/09/2019 13:29

KM hasn't come up, I'll happily slate them because I really liked them at first and then it built up product horrifically in a way I'd never encountered before. It was full on crow's nest Angry I do feel it's much more a comment on American corporate environments than anything else, the few European based stories coming out seem specifically focused on the brand founder behaving appallingly, where the others comment on the toxic culture across the company.

My legs are too short for chunky shoes/boots, it just looks odd and too hevay. It's why I'm not usually a fan of brogues, they're just a bit too present and drag me down. I can take the more minimised ones, like Anniel and some Bobbies models, almost like practice dance shoes iywim but they're usually very thin leather and thin soles so they don't really feel like proper shoes, definitely not A/W weather proof.

Okay going back to pics, time, it may just be the light streaming in from the side but I think a bit of shine/matte contrast may be at play with you? It looks like waxed jeans and a viscose top that mimics silk satin? I always feel waxed jeans make your bum look fantastic as it emphasised curves and the contours of your body but by having the matte cami in between it cuts that curved line up to your waist abruptly and emphasises the curved below and the flowy top sort of distracts the eye another way but it's not giving shape or any counterbalance so I can understand that it feels a bit meh in some way. It's just that the addition of shine and how the light plays with it adds in another layer of difficulty when the colours make sense but can still feel off.

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Floisme · 26/09/2019 07:32

Just been on a smash and grab at the Uniqlo U launch (first online shopping spree since January). Managed to get the parka I'm not sure I'll like the shiny collar and I was a bit disappointed to realise it was dark grey (which I want to wean myself off this winter) and not navy, plus it looks quite short, but then so am I. So we'll see. My size has already gone Shock

I'd already ordered the curve leg jeans as they've been in stock for a while and they came yesterday. Great shape (very similar to the canvas ones they did a couple of years ago) but way too long for me. I didn't think it would matter cos I wear jeans rolled up but the 'cuff' is too thick and heavy. Def want to keep them but I may wait a few days and see if they bring out a shorter length. Otherwise I'll just lop a couple of inches off - it won't show rolled up.

That should be all I have to tell you - both planned, considered purchases but then on the way to the checkout I grabbed these curved leg trews too Blush What can I say. Do I heckers need more trousers. I was in such a frenzy, I didn't even notice the fabric was cotton satin, which I don't like the sound of so they'll almost certainly go back. I did at least manage not to stop at knitwear.

I'm noticing too that the models aren't wearing the the curve leg jeans rolled up which is a bit of a departure and must mean they're about 7 feet tall.

bo is today your London trip? Enjoy yourself and good luck if you get to the Margaret Howell sample sale. You may need that umbrella - I'm not in London but it's wet here though quite mild.

WhoEatsPopTarts · 26/09/2019 08:33

I hear what you all say about Merchant & Mills, their patterns all come up huge too but their fabrics are wonderful. Some of my favourite pattern companies are unsurprisingly French!

orageuse.com/lookbook/ecorce/?lang=en

My favourite shirt pattern shop.deer-and-doe.fr/en/sewing-patterns/29-melilot-shirt-pattern.html

The Foldline has a great database of sewing pattern thefoldline.com/search-patterns/?wfsf_page=1&main_post=80787&action=foldline_search&numrows=12&product_cat=&wfsf_designer=&wfsf_size_field=&wfsf_price_field=&sewing_level=&fabric_type=&stock_status=instock&pdf_paper=either&indie_commercial=either

However with all of them you need to see past the styling (good and bad) and look at line drawings, with experience you also learn how to hack patterns to get the look you want. The major advantage to sewing is the ability to get the fit spot on and of course choose quality fabrics.

People assume you sew to save money, but good fabric isn’t cheap, nor is my time. I do it purely for pleasure. I won’t be sharing anything I’ve made on here, too outing I’m afraid. I did join in on your first thread, but since then I’ve banned myself from buying any clothes, shoes, boots, accessories are still allowed though - phew.

banivani · 26/09/2019 09:00

Bo that's a shame about KM ruining your hair - I too find it a bit hit and miss but I want them to be good people anyway. I fancy the bottles you see. We have a shop in town that sells them at a little bit cheaper (quirky - aren't they easy to get online?) and I like the conditioners especially. I did have build up with one set of products I remember so perhaps they are a little prone to it. But then I quite fancy sulphates in my shampoos thank you - gets the dirt out.

Am currently using the Hair Resort in a trial size and quite like it, it seems to be doing what I was missing in other products with minimal fuss or change in texture. :) Also echoing FLo - if today was your trip I hope you enjoy it!

Flo I think I'll have to plan a trip to Sthlm to try on those curve trousers - I find it hard to make out the glory of the shape purely on the models but you sound so enthusiastic (and easily swayed haha). Pity you can't style them your favourite way, but I suppose it's quite good they update them a bit each season? Or not. I want to buy lots of trousers at the moment, I don't feel like wearing anything else - but it's a little pointless if I'm losing weight though. Insert shrug emoticon.

banivani · 26/09/2019 09:04

Whoeats Crossposted with you but that reminds me I wanted to ask you a question!

I'm thinking about trying to look less droopy and the dropped shoulders on my unlined jersey wool coat are possibly not helping. How hard is it to "lift" the shoulder seam to my shoulder proper? I read a tip on a forum online that the easiest way is to unpick the shoulder seam (not the armscye) and put in little darts there to narrow the shoulder area. It seems relatively easy. Have you ever tried similar?

botemp · 26/09/2019 10:18

Yes, Flo, I'm in London today. I've been delayed again, spent about as much time circling the airport as we did getting there Angry but should be in the city shortly (now on train). Was planning on popping into Uniqlo for the U collection. Also spotted Katherine Hammett (sp?) is having a sample sale but it's out of the way in Shoreditch so probably won't make it to that.

Gah, I've not been giving you a shoulder complex, have I Bani? I like a sulphate in my shampoo too, unless it's SLS, I don't really care all that much. The annoying thing about KM is the hairdressers that sell them, seem to claim product build up is not a thing with KM despite the evidence Hmm and claim it's silicone free and when I point out on the INCI it does indeed contain silicones they claim they're 'different' environmentally friendly silicones Confused

Also, why has no one informed me 6.30 at the airport departures is now prime pick up realty? Is this a thing now, quick shag with a random before your early morning flight Confused

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quirkychick · 26/09/2019 13:38

bani, I can of course buy KM online, but just used to pick up some at hair appointments, my hairdressers is ridiculously near my house. Also, she would recommend and use stuff so I could decide if I wanted it or not. Re build up, I sometimes use neutrogena anti build up shampoo or Acure clarifying shampoo or conditioner. I sort of do the curly girl thing, but need to use proper shampoo once in a while, it's a balancing act between drying out my scalp too much and not having too much build up as I need to add some products to control the frizz.

flo well done with the Uniqlo U smash and grab! I'm still wearing my dark green Uniqlo U jumper from last year. I've just done a charity shop run and tried on loads of stuff. I've come back with a pair of Gerry Weber dark slate/brown brocade trousers for £6 and a sea green knitted jumper/cardigan that is joined by a roll neck but the front is in two parts:I'll try and photograph, that was £5:50.

bo, have fun in London (delays not withstanding) it's very mild here and the rain has stopped, I hope it's as nice there.

quirkychick · 26/09/2019 13:48

The first pic is today's charity shop haul, the green jumper/cardi has a much better shape on. The second is a refound brown mock croc bag that I've had for years and bought secondhand. I also dug out an old purple cotton boden skirt, but that's gone to the charity shop, as it no longer fits well (I must be more toned than when I was in my 30s, or it could just have got shapeless over time).

WhoEats I really like the first link, but would have no clue about sewing any of it. I can do basic alterations, but that's it really.

Les Parisiennes des Mamansnet: Too much good taste can be very boring. Independent style, on the other hand, can be very inspiring.
Les Parisiennes des Mamansnet: Too much good taste can be very boring. Independent style, on the other hand, can be very inspiring.
botemp · 26/09/2019 14:25

Quickly before I forget completely. Margaret Howell sample sale summary, queue at the door for about 30mins expect similar for changing rooms and cash register. Everything hangs by size by category. Things are generally one or two prices per category. Trousers £65-85, skirts £65, shirts/tops £45-65. Scarves £25. Jumpers (cotton) £55 (I think) dress prices I've forgotten and coats were £115-£175, I think. Size 10 or above, plenty of choice size 8 or below, you have the choice of two wool trousers Sad

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CatherineMaitland · 26/09/2019 15:13

I really like Boucleme products, but I have thick, dry curls and they might be a bit heavy/rich for finer hair.

quirkychick · 26/09/2019 18:04

CatherineMaitland, I have thick, dry curls too and can easily comb oil through my hair without weighing it down.

Floisme · 26/09/2019 19:17

They do look a bit underwhelming on the website bani, especially full length - it makes me realise how normalised the ankle length is now though I'm sure in 10 years time we'll look back and wonder what in hell we were thinking. I might not have given them a second glance if I hadn't bought a similar version a couple of years ago in a heavy-ish cotton canvas, and when the first time I wore them, a handsome young man in the coffee shop admired them and asked where they were from - not that this influenced my view at all Grin The new version is slightly wider. The Whistles and Cos barrel leg jeans are pretty similar I think.

Thanks for those links Whoeats. As you say, I really need to get my eye in when it comes to patterns and not get distracted by prints / colours.

Nice finds quirky - I particularly like the look of the mock handbag. I've had a lean time in the charity shops of late but I did pick up a couple of silk shirts a few weeks ago, one was Boden and the other was M&S Autograph.

So have you bought anything bo?

botemp · 26/09/2019 19:26

No! Nothing for me anyhow. The two trousers were black and rather dull pairs which I couldn't really be inspired to wait in line for to try on and I've just ordered an acne studios pair (2nd hand) that I've tried on before from Vinted.

There was a nice mens wool pea coat in navy but it was just on the wrong side of oversized for me. There was more treasure to be found in the men's section, generally, but nothing that fit the bill enough, unfortunately. Annoyingly the trousers in Japanese cotton I tried on in the outlet last time but didn't end up buying as price on the tag and cash register were different were there in multiple numbers for £65 but all a size L Angry I also visited the outlet and they were all out of small sizes there too, and the regular shop didn't have the Barbour in either. It's a conspiracy of small sized people, I tell you.

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botemp · 26/09/2019 19:48

And I'm struggling to keep with all the chat, but just for the record, when I put oil in my hair I look like a sad washed up jellyfish who had a run in with an oil tanker. I'm trying a new thing though which does seem to work better for me than other things, wetting ends of my hair and then applying daily hair moisturiser type product.

I think I'm horribly delayed again. Supposed to leave in 20 mins but there's not even a sign of a plane at the gate Sad

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quirkychick · 26/09/2019 20:35

Thanks, flo, the handbag I've had for close to 20yrs, I think, but was not new when I bought it. I haven't used it for a while, but it feels quite current atm.

bo, I hope you're not too delayed tonight. I think I must have quite porous hair, it soaks up oil like a sponge. I often wet down my hair and add leave in moisturiser too (especially on drizzly and humid days).

botemp · 26/09/2019 20:41

I'm in the plane but we've not left yet. Probably won't be home until well after midnight at this rate

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banivani · 26/09/2019 21:20

Bo I am both very sorry for your disappointment at MH and a little pleasantly surprised that it was the large sizes that were left - how unusual! I should have been with you it’d all have been 6es then. And to top it off your actual travelling has been a pain. Bummer all around! Tell me more about the skeeze trying to pick you up.

And no, do not have a complex about my shoulders, am having a revelation and want to wear unstructured items with a better fit Grin

Kevin Murphy marketing is so obv half him trying it on haha. But the bottles are square, it’s very well suited to my shower caddy!

Flo what a gratifying experience to be complimented by a young man Wink I was so taken with your plugging of said trousers I went out on the Uniqlo website and learned that the collection is not sold in Stockholm. Or, as the website has it, everything is “out of stock”. Am now super annoyed because I fell a bit in love with one of the jumpers, see attached pic. 😍

Les Parisiennes des Mamansnet: Too much good taste can be very boring. Independent style, on the other hand, can be very inspiring.
timeisnotaline · 26/09/2019 21:24

Shame about the sizing bo, these sample sales are big enough you think they could do better than that. I’d have loved to have gone, I’m also mourning that I didn’t get one last outing to Liberty before leaving London Sad. Maybe I can sneak there Saturday (but we have at least 60kg of checked luggage already Blush)
Thanks also for the comments on pic, spot on re the fabrics. Waxed jeans (rather lightweight Reiss ones though) and a Zara summer blouse definitely not in silk. Which makes it casual wearable for me with the littles.
Hell of a week. Someone local kindly volunteered their house for us as short term accom this week then... she pretty much ghosted me. All ‘oh hi it’s you can you call me back at 5?’ But didn’t pick up then. So stressful emergency hotel search. Guy coming to clean car doesn’t work in the rain, would have been nice to know that before booking him! (For importing our car, so not just a sponge and bucket wash) , and 4 yo has a stomach bug the night he’s sharing a mattress with dh & i as the furniture is packed up and we have no sheets to replace the vomited on one Envy (not envy). I’m rejigging my cv in a hotel room and mourning London shopping opportunities! And breathe.
I didn’t pack any sewing patterns or fabric marked for access in the next six months, but I’m not working for a few months so hoping to actually have some time to try. And I can’t shop then as I have my shipping container of a wardrobe arriving so must resist all temptation.
And breathe.
Do people actually think sewing your own clothes saves money over the cheap options out there? Have they bought fabric recently? Or costed their time?

timeisnotaline · 26/09/2019 22:19

Merino shirring is interesting! I love that uniqlo do stuff like that. Not quite related but there was a teal wrap other stories knit posted higher up which looked lovely.
Also bani there are a lot of puffed shoulders about. I’m afraid this link is a polyester ASOS but I quite like (although I think the shirring height here might make me look pregnant. But waist shirring at the right height looks good and is very comfortable) . Zara have also had some cotton puff sleeves although possibly sold out now )& others here might be able to point to the design inspiration) www.asos.com/prd/12955658?acquisitionsource=pasteboard

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