Royal style & gossip: what do we want? Frock shots! When do we want them? Now!

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I have gone down a Wikipedia wormhole and have followed the descendants of her cousin, the Prince of Hanover, who was born 3 days after Victoria. If he was the true heir then Princess Caroline of Monaco should be the Queen of England and her interesting second husband is the rightful King 🤴

Yes, thank god Britain has never had Salic Law! On the other hand Ernst August is so awful that we'd probably be a republic by now! I'm not sure if his high point was trying to disinherit one son or getting so drunk at the other son's wedding that he was put in an induced coma to recover.

Oh God! Enough of the waving talk. I wished I had never mentioned it!

owlshooting........let's get back to frocks!

Owlshooting It isn’t only that you wrote about her waving being attention seeking, it was more your conviction that she is breaking ‘unspoken rules’ and not understanding ‘our ways’ that irked me. Perhaps it is because I am absolutely not a royalist that the vibe of some posts criticising all things as ‘not the English way’ as being ‘incorrect’ and ‘must be taught and corrected’ as well as general bafflement at the more royalist posts that the RF care one bit about any of their ‘subjects’ other than keeping themselves in their positions.

The thing that irks me is, if you are going to be kept by the taxpayer, you must understand that you are not a 'celebrity' , and do not have the right to behave as if you are somehow exempt from the restrictions and protocols of being in the Royal Family. I get the feeling from her that she thinks she can do things her own way, behave a bit like she's special in her own right, when she's serving a purpose and paid for by the common people!
I am not a Royalist either. The more I read this thread the more annoyed I become with it all to be honest. At the same time, I am fascinated by it from a psychological viewpoint, and I do love the fashions. So I guess I'm a bit of a hypocrite.
I've just never got the feeling that Kate has an ego or is doing anything for herself. She gets on with the job, and does it very well. The clip of her and W at the end of the engagement interview says a lot about them both. She says 'I'm not very good at this' and laughs at herself. That is somehow very endearing.

I find M on the other hand attention seeking and a bit cloying. She is a woman struggling to get to grips with an awful lot in a short time, she clearly loves Harry and she's pregnant, so she deserves a break. I just have an uneasy feeling about her. The comment from someone upthread about how rude she was to her protection officer in the early days speaks volumes.

ajand j... I will definitely get back to the frocks now!

The thing that irks me is, if you are going to be kept by the taxpayer, you must understand that you are not a 'celebrity' , and do not have the right to behave as if you are somehow exempt from the restrictions and protocols of being in the Royal Family.

But what are the restrictions and protocols that are part of being in the royal family? Because apart from a load of speculation in the press I don't think anyone knows?

I'm not knocking anyone's opinions infact as I said before it's part of what I find so interesting about the monarchy everyone feels they have a right to them and expectations on how they should act but very often as seen on these threads those expectations are completely different. For example I think if your paid for by the taxpayers being more open and available is a good thing value for money and all. Others like the more paired back approach find it more regal.

Even within people born into the family there are massive differences in how they do things! Anne I believe still won't shake hands on walk abouts I find that cold and snobby and think it would be horrible if everyone still did that. However it works for her. Every royal has to find their own path and we as the public won't always be a fan of everything they do.

In fairness to Princess Anne I wouldn’t want to shake hands with masses of people. Do the Royals still wear gloves if they are expected to shake hands

The queen is always in gloves i think don't think the younger royals are Charles doesn't but I guess that would be a bit obvious no there is nothing wrong it just an illustration of how many different ways of doing things there has always been.

I find it an odd construct in a way: we pay for your existence therefore we expect you to act in certain (weird and antiquated) ways.

I can't think of anyone who would actively argue that people in the royal family shouldn't wave/walk/smile/

I get the feeling from her that she thinks she can do things her own way, behave a bit like she's special in her own right

You got all this from her waving to the crowds??

In fairness being afraid to pick up germs or dirty their hands by shaking the hand of an elderly lady who has waited for hours in cold weather to see them or the hand of a man who is receiving an award for bravery is disgusting. Without these people, the RF would be long gone. Of course the RF should shake the hands of those who afford them their titles and in my opinion they should bow to these people instead of it being the other way around!

Oh dear I have moved things on from waving to hand shaking haven't I. I'm not 100% sure it's true just have a memory of a clip with Anne in my head. I was just trying to show everyone does it differently. Probably also worth remembering Anne was tall the walk about at a very young age in a very different time.

I find it an odd construct in a way

Hardly surprising really --- many of us believe it is an odd construct in the 21st century

Doesn't stop us watching with interest though

No Queen, it's more than that. It's lots of little things, but maybe I'm just being overly judgemental.

@Bloominglovely I think Diana might've been the first to eschew gloves. I'm pretty sure she was the first to hug people!

Royal gloves through the centuries: discuss.

I love that she’s got dogs called Ray & Jade

Just for you Vanillia

the royal glove maker

*disclaimer according to google 😂😂

Ohh if we are sharing queen montages I do like this one shows her sense of humour
queen funny moments

This is probably of HM and the QM. HM's indignation!

That's brilliant . She seemed to have a lovely relationship with her mum.

it’s a wonder the whole illegitimate thing.

In reality I expect it was in olden times very difficult to conduct affairs for the royal women as there would have been so many servants around.

Wasn’t it treason for a queen to have an affair? Because it would ‘pollute’ the royal line.

I’m sure I read somewhere that Edward IV was reportedly illegitimate.

Henry VIII was descended from an illegitimate line wasn’t he?

I believe there's a lovely one from the Queen Mother too. When the Queen once said that she might have a second glass of wine with lunch, her mum supposedly remarked "Is that wise? Remember you have to reign all afternoon"