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Actually they share a common ancestor in Queen Victoria AND King Christian IX of Denmark. If she was the grandmother of Europe, he was the grandfather. Out of current European monarchs, only Prince Albert and King Wax aren't descended from one of them.

Out of current European monarchs, only Prince Albert and King Wax aren't descended from one of them.

Talk about keeping it in the family.

What I want to know is how haemophilia has conveniently disappeared from the RF, especially the U.K. RF - I think there may be a strain in Spain - or is there something we don't know..... .....

@owlshooting

Re the waving - I just think it looks a bit 'look at me folks. I've arrived,' rather than acknowledging that she's there to do a job as part of the The Firm, and it's not all about her. I accept though it's a habit she's acquired as an actress. She just doesn't seem to understand the unspoken rules.
I can't think of a single other Royal who waves to the crowd quite like that.

She's not flailing about doing semaphore, she giving a brief acknowledgement of the crowds. That is her job, and as the only member of the royal family that has had a proper rent paying job to date, she knows more about doing a job and things not being about her than they do.

Even if she is a former, mixed race, American actress slotting into incredibly criticised life as an expectant new royal bride.

Descendants of Queen Victoria with Haemophilia

Victoria had 38 grandchildren !
Some of her 9 children were childless

I find it odd that she's criticised for little things like giving the crowd a wave. If she stuck her nose in the air and swanned in without a backwards glance then she'd be accused of being aloof!

And in all the articles the Mail are publishing to discredit her, they fail to mention the one thing about Meghan that’s stood out lately – her work ethic. She was on the go from the moment she landed in Australia and even though she must’ve been exhausted from jetlag and early pregnancy, she showed up at every event with a smile on her face, and gave a couple of very strong speeches. I think she had one day where she rested in the morning as she’d been at the Invictus opening ceremony the night before but other than that she was present at everything, and supportive of Harry too.

I once read that as the haemophilia appeared in the RF from Victoria she is either a million to one spontaneous carrier or (more likely) not actually her fathers daughter.

@queen agreed
After the tour I didn't expect to see her around much, but she's still been on the go
When I was pregnant I physically couldn't stay awake past 6pm!

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All true.
She is getting the usual baptism of fire that all the high profile women new to the RF get. I guess if she can use her years of experience dealing with Hollywood and not take it personally, it will be water off a ducks back.

@GrumbleBumble I think there were several hemophiliacs in the Spanish royal family, more than there were in the British. And of course it proved disastrous for the Romanovs.

Who cares about the wave?!

Re the Spaniards, King Felipe is actually not the most senior descendent of the last pre-Franco king. This guy is, although his grandfather renounced his rights to the throne. Not bad looking, is he?

Queen I believe there was none before Victoria and then it spread via her offspring but having just done a quick google to check it suggested that spontaneous cases are not a rare as the article I had read implied so the slur on Victoria mother was unnecessary by which ever historian suggested it.

not her father's child???

Well, that makes life complicated.

The Queen waving

The Duchess of Cambridge waving

Queen Maxima waving

Queen Letizia waving

Prince William waving

Prince Harry waving

You get the picture.

Waving to people who have come to spot you and are calling your name is totally normal. People seem mighty keen to hate her, but I'd guess I'd be happy if the only reason people could find to hate me was the positioning of my hands.

I'm finding this waving thing very baffling.

Is there a rule about waving?

If so, why, for the love of god?

Is it somehow unseemly to act and behave like a normal human?

I can't imagine how things like this became a convention. I hope when the Queen pops off the younger royals have the balls to rethink things. Wear trousers. Wave to other humans. Stuff like that.

The more of these threads I'm on, the more republican I become. The whole thing is a big heap of bonkers. I mean, why would we act as inferiors to Kate, or Meghan, or even any of the actual Royals who have not really outshone themselves in any arena other than cutting ribbons and nailing awkward small talk? There's simply no logical reason for it.

Vanilla studies show a fairly hefty percentage of the worlds population are not actually the children of their supposed fathers! It's may years ago since I read this theory re Victoria (I would have been at uni so 25ish years ago) and the suggestion was that struggling to have a child with Prince Edward having successfully had children before her mother had someone else get her pregnant so she could fulfil her royal duty. The article suggested a spontaneous occurrence of haemophilia would be very unlikely but I've just googled it and about a third of case seem to spontaneous so the author could have been muck raking (see today's tabloids).

Just found video of the Civile ceremony of Albert and Charlene. She looks happy enough!

waving is waving and actually stopping so the press can get their shot seems like common sense to me at events, why not let them get a good photo better that than awkward ones I can't see the problem with it.

What is interesting is when you look at her red carpet style from before none of the dresses were gowns and more often than not they were two pieces trouser suit skirt ect. I wonder if that is because her body shape doesn't particularly suit her which will be making the transition a lot hard not having an established style and then being pregnant as well.

I think she needs to rip up the royal style book and wear what works for her it's 2018 is it the end of the world if she turns up in a pant suit to the royal variety show not a gown?

Someone wise saved them!
I like Them: Food, Travel; Fashion, her Dogs, calligraphy; Suits, Interiors.

I’d be interested to see what her shots would be like now if she still had Instagram:
Palaces, Corgis, Jewels, Roast chicken; Prince Harry, Red carpets....

But that implies that Victoria was not descended from George III therefore Elizabeth should not be on the throne.

Still, moving on - Princess Charlene raising her shoulders and bracing herself when Albert moves in for a kiss, heh?

It’s just waving. The ‘Firm’ are lucky that people still line up to see them at all. Everything Meghan does is making headlines. She is keeping a family who are completely irrelevant ‘relevant’ by giving ‘fans’ a wave. The MAIN things people who are interested in the RF are actually interested about are their relationships, their style and their kids. Nothing else sells papers and that won’t do when people want their money’s worth so wave away to your heart’s content Meghan.

Vanilla yep - but as I say it's looks like a bit of a false story. There are almost certainly illegitimate children in the royal family historically. The pressure to produce an heir was so great. It kind of makes a mockery of the hole "royal" thing doesn't it?
It's why when using DNA to establish identity the female line is used as there is certainty about the female parentage (unless there has been a baby swap).
With greater understanding of genetics, DNA testing and reliable contraception fewer people probably try and risk the passing off babies as someone else's these days but it was relativity common in the past.

The story I'd heard re haemophilia was a combination of 2 things - Victoria being the daughter of Sir John Conroy and Albert not being his father's son. Certainly Sir John exerted a considerable influence over Victoria's mother, and Albert's mother was rumoured to have taken lovers too. It was suggested by AN Wilson IIRC.

She's not flailing about doing semaphore

Would like to see this become a reality, mind you

I hope she carries on waving, and doesn't get squished into some kind of metaphorical 'Princess' cast-iron corset. It's happened to Kate, I think, and it's a shame. God help any Royal (woman, mostly) who dares show the faintest flicker of personality!

Was just coming on to say that althoughlast night’s separates didn’t nail it, generally her best looks have been skirt and top or a trouser suit. IMHO she needs some kind of detail/collar/wide neck that creates width at the shoulders and plain/undetailed midsection going to a flowy skirt (e.g the colour block Givenchy pleated)or one that tapers(either of the Meghan green pencil skirts she has worn). She seems to understand the neckline bit with bateau and tux collars but struggles with getting dresses whose skirts act the same as her separate skirts. I’m thinking of that double breasted pink belted dress as an example of the top being let down by the skirt.

She desperately needs someone to advise on the proportions/lengths of things and tailor for a good fit.