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Royal style and gossip: tiaras galore and more!

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QueenOfTheAndals · 06/11/2018 12:20

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Special edition: Eugenie wedding thread
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And we're now at thread 8! Here are some useful royal style blogs
HRH Duchess Kate
Mad About Meghan
New My Royals - good for European royal watching

Coming up this month:

  • The Cambridges are at the Tusk Conservation Awards on Thursday the 8th
  • The Cambridges and Sussexes are at two Remembrance events this weekend the 10th/11th
  • The Sussexes have the Royal Variety Performance on the 19th

Plus Prince Charles turns 70 on the 14th but we may not get photos of the event as he's having a private party.

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Clionba · 09/11/2018 22:27

I agree about Letizia, Queen, I think that sharp bob is really flattering and takes years off her! I was vexed that she grew it out.

WindyWednesday · 09/11/2018 22:28

I did know, but have forgotten. Sorry. Will come back and say which line they are from.

VanillaSugary · 09/11/2018 22:31

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitford_family

Maybe they're distant relatives.

WindyWednesday · 09/11/2018 22:34

I’ve looked at that, I don’t know. They are Mitfords, but I’m not sure of the line.

Clionba · 09/11/2018 22:40

Was it Linda and Graham Mitford that used to run that garage in the centre of Birmingham?

owlshooting · 09/11/2018 22:41

A bit late on commenting on this, but that teal dress on Kate is absolutely gorgeous, though I prefer it with her hair up, as she had it last time.

Clionba · 09/11/2018 22:42

I agree, owl, I think that updo really suits the shape of her face.

QueenOfTheAndals · 09/11/2018 22:47

@CurlyWurlyTwirly One of Jackie's granddaughters look a lot like her.

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QueenOfTheAndals · 09/11/2018 22:47

That link didn't work, here it is again https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/meet-jackie-kennedys-doppelganger-granddaughter-rose-kennedy-schlossberg-w167377/

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SenecaFalls · 09/11/2018 23:07

I just tracked down the Charles documentary on Youtube. I really liked it. I loved the bit with Anne. It looked as though he grabbed her lightly or poked her in the back, and she clearly thought it was funny. It made me think that they probably have a shared deep understanding that is unique because of their upbringing and closeness in age.

Another thing he said hit home with me: his sons talking about how his values and hard work have influenced them, even though it seemed that they did not listen to him as teens. I think this is something a lot of parents experience: when you see in your adult children the same values that you cherish and remember that it was not always thus when they were younger.

Charles may look older than his years, but he moves very well. I think he may be more fit than people think.

Pupsiecola · 09/11/2018 23:57

I agree Seneca. When I watch some of the younger royals working a crowd/having to make small talk I feel a bit anxious for them. Especially William; it doesn't seem to come as naturally to him (yet?). But Charles seems.to know what to say to people in any and all situations and seems to put people at ease. I feel more at ease watching him. You can't fake that, I don't think.

PawneeParksDept · 09/11/2018 23:57

The DM has a Fergie scoop!

Some of it is cringe, eg comparing Eugenie and Jack to Victoria and Albert but I still feel quite sorry for her

yorkshireyummymummy · 10/11/2018 00:12

Oh, I have enjoyed reading this thread!
Just wanted to respond to some posts from way way back though.

It’s an urban myth that Charles wanted to marry Camilla back in the 70’s and ‘ wasn’t allowed to , Queens orders’. This isn’t true.
Camilla had been ‘ going out’ with Andrew Parker-Bowles for a good few years and she was madly in love with him. He was a dreadful philanderer and cheated constantly. His family were very keen for him to marry Camilla though and kept pushing him ( Camilla was a pretty wealthy woman in her own right. She has never had a real job- she just parities until she married) to propose. Anyway, Andrew had an affair - with HRH Princess Anne. Camilla was horrified and humiliated so decided to play Andrew at his own game - and so flirted with Charles and made sure she was seated next to him at dinner parties etc and eventually ended up having a quite passionate affair of her own. Charles was beimg sent away with the Royal Navy and his beloved mentor, Louis Earl Mountbatten of Burma told him to ‘ sew his wild oats’. So he sewed with Camilla.
Camilla plan worked - Andrew was brought back into line quick smart and proposed to her. They married that year and started a family pretty quickly. When Charles heard that Camilla and Andrew had married it is believed he was sad and realised that he had fallen in love with her but viewed her now as unobtainable. He knew that even if he had realised his feelings before Camilla married Andrew it would have made no difference whatsoever as Camilla had ‘ a past’. She was quite a ‘ girl around town’ apparently.
Fast forward half a dozen years and Camilla is unhappy. Andrew hasn’t changed since their marriage and in fact sleeps with pretty much all of her friends as well as other women. Her friends are concerned as she is so miserable so they decide to invite Charles to a dinner as they think he can cheer her up. He cheers her up quite considerably and their affair starts up again. This is probably the time that Camilla developed real feelings for Charles. Is he the love of her life? I think no, but he loves her very deeply and that makes up for a lot as he brings a secure love.
Anyway, the press and palace were pushing Charles towards marriage . He proposed to a few girlfriends, all of whom turned him down. Wether it was him they didn’t want or the role we will never know ( he proposed - allegedly to Lady Jane Wellesley ( daughter of the Duke of Wellington) , Davina Sheffield, Anna Wallace and Amanda Knatchbull. Then along came Diana who adored him from being young ( she wanted to marry him from being a young teenager , simply because she thought he was the one man in the country who couldn’t get divorced and after all she suffered through her parents divorce she was desperate for any children she may have not to be from a broken home) . He proposed to Diana even though he barely knew her . She didn’t even call him Charles before he proposed, he was always ‘ sir’!! Imagine that! ....and we know the rest of the story.
I don’t really think Camilla wanted to marry him ever- she was quite happy beimg his mistress/ girlfriend. She had never worked in her life - why would she want to start working at the age of 58?? Her friends famously refer t9 her as ‘ the laziest woman in England’ but the Queen told Charles he had to marry her or separate. The Prince of Wales couldn’t keep having a girlfriend/ mistress- it needed to be made ‘proper’. I think Camilla realised she had two choices. A) to live a single life, never escaping the press or beimg followed and whispered about without any security and risking exposing herself to god knows what ( remember how much she was hated ) or B) beimg Charles wife, never having to clean again but having to fulfill ‘ royal’ expectations. But she would be safe and so would her children, protected by Charles vast fortune. She kept her own home ( Ray Mill House) which she goes to on a thursday tea time and comes back to Clarence House on Monday or Tuesday if she can stretch it.

Now, the Meghan emerald tiara story.
Personally I think it’s bollocks. The Queen does not lend out tiaras she wears. Diana/Kate both have worn the Cambridge lovers knot. The Queen didn’t wear that ( publically) since the 1950s. The scroll tiara ( Kate’s wedding one) and the Lotus tiara ( worn by Kate) were both in Margaret’s possession although they belonged to the Queen and went back to her on Margaret’s death. I don’t think she has ever worn either of these tiaras publically. The Grenville honeycomb tiara , and the Delhi Durbar tiara are both now on loan to Camilla - they came to the Queen on the death of her mother. The Queen has never worn either of them
So you see the tiaras the Queen wears are not loaned, and her loans are tiaras she does not wear anymore or has never worn.

As far as i am aware the Queen has TWO emerald tiaras 8n her possession. Firstly is the one that she loaned to Eugenie on her wedding day, this tiara was from the estate of Mrs Margaret Greville a fabulously wealthy society lady who left all of the jewels to the then Queen, ( the Queen mother). (There were about 60 pieces of jewelry, we have seen about 8 confirmed pieces !) The Queen inherited it from her mother in 2002 but has never publically worn it and her mother hadn’t been seen in public in it for over 60 years.
The other tiara is the Vladimir Tiara. This is a fantastic tiara with Russian provenance. Queen Mary purchased it in the 1920’s from a Grand Duchess who had escaped the revolution. The tiara is linked diamond circles and came with a set of beautiful graduated natural pearls , each of which hangs in a diam9nd circle. Queen Mary was incredibly clever with her jewels and had some of the Cambridge Emeralds ( her own property, left to her by her aunt Cambridge) adapted to replace the pearls and hang from the diamond circles too. This is a major piece of head gear and we won’t see it in anybody else’s head until HM dies. There is no way this would have been offered to Meghan as a wedding tiara. As you probably know, the tiara that Meghan wore was another Queen Mary made piece which hadnt been seen in public for at least 60 years.
I think that whichever paper printed the story is trying to stir up trouble.

The Royal family’s jewels are a passion of mine so if you want t9 know anything, ask away!

frugalkitty · 10/11/2018 00:19

I've just read the DM article with Fergie and what stood out for me was the bit about her using the same clutch bag for Eugenie's wedding that her mother had used for hers, it still had the admission slips for the Abbey in, and that's why Fergie wore green. It's just a reminder that in all the fuss and show (and gossip) it's just members of a family doing what families do (on a grander scale and under scrutiny admittedly). But what a lovely gesture.

SenecaFalls · 10/11/2018 00:37

yorkshireyummumummy That article also suggested that the emerald tiara was not offered because its provenance was unclear. If it was the Vladimir being referenced, its provenance is pretty clear isn't it? The clue is in its name for one thing.

SenecaFalls · 10/11/2018 00:43

The Queen in the Vladimir

Royal style and gossip: tiaras galore and more!
PawneeParksDept · 10/11/2018 00:50

As if that would have been on the table as a bridal tiara!

yorkshireyummymummy · 10/11/2018 01:22

@SenecaFalls
I’ve just googled a few articles and they seem to think it was the Vladimir tiara - but it’s provenance is widely known ( it’s known who smuggled it out of Russia in his attaché case for the Grand Duchess Marie But i cant remember his name offhand).
So that makes we just think it’s bollocks.
Also, do we really think Meghan was taken to the vault, taken to the tiara section and looked at them all? Or is it more likely that the Queen discusses tiara loans with her dresser, Angela Kelley who she is very very close to, Angela goes to the vault with a footman/ butler and collects the two or three tiaras which they have decided will be offered for loan. I don’t suppose Meghan has even seen the Vladimir tiara ‘ in the flesh’ so to speak!!
And would anybody really be so crass as to say - to the QUEEN - ‘no! I want that tiara, not that tiny diamond one’!!

SenecaFalls · 10/11/2018 01:58

I agree. I think that Meghan tiara story was completely made up.

halfwitpicker · 10/11/2018 02:06

Omg that bruar stuff is right up my street

itswinetime · 10/11/2018 02:25

The Vladimir tiare would have looked completely wrong with Meghans simple style dress I cant believe she would have wanted that also can't see how that would work with a veil. Meghans tiara suited her dress and style.

IdaBWells · 10/11/2018 03:15

The Tiara story seems so ridiculous as we have to believe that both Meghan and Harry are incredibly immature and grabby which I see no signs of. The story itself is very petty and meanminded and just does not sit right.

IdaBWells · 10/11/2018 03:28

I don’t know that much about William (do any of us really?) except I’ve seen him say in interviews that he is very private. I also was rewatching a video about the 7 days after Diana died and Will was adamant that he was not going to walk behind the coffin and only changed his mind on the day of the funeral when Prince Philip offered to walk with him. I know he was only 15 and grieving but I get the impression he really resents the voracious intrusion into his private life and thoughts by the media (and by extension us). He was often hiding from the media with his mum and we can only imagine the scenes he witnessed and things he heard said to his mother. Photographers admitted they would yell “whore” and other abusive things at her in the hope she would cry or get angry and therefore they would have a more valuable photo.

I think it’s the relentlessness of his role that he knows there is no escaping. He seems to really want to spend lots of time around his children while they are young as he probably has learnt that fate can send very unexpected storylines your way. It would be unlikely for example but not completely out of the question that the Queen died and then Charles suddenly died in his 70s and William would be king. Charles seems to be in rude health and I’m sure William is praying for him to live well into his 90s like his dear mama and grandmama but you never know.

I like William, I think the weight of his fate is just really starting to be a reality now his dad is getting ready to take over.

user1457017537 · 10/11/2018 03:48

I’m not too sure. Firstly, I can’t believe someone would make this story up as it’s pretty specific and Eugenie wore an emerald tiara on her wedding day. I do believe the Queen is totally different in private with her grandchildren. There was a story years ago when Prince Andrew was serving that he was with some SAS men in a helicopter and said let’s go to mummy’s for tea. The helicopter landed and they had tea in the garden with HM. One of the men said he was mortified as he had a Sex Pistols T shirt with ‘God Save the Queen’ on it. The Queen was really amused and completely ok with it. Unfortunately, negative stories are starting to appear about MM. Photos of her at Soho House in Istanbul for instance.

user1457017537 · 10/11/2018 03:50

Of course there must be hundreds of photos of MM from before her marriage but we have only been shown selected ones. Her image is carefully controlled.