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Les Parisiennes de Mamansnet: Orangutans in Paris make for poor gondoliers

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botemp · 21/08/2018 10:14

The sunshine might be fading from our passion fruit punch but we're looking forward to what autumn will bring.

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Floisme · 23/08/2018 07:34

I'm UK born and based, not remotely French and don't even aspire to be Grin I hang around because I see clothes on here that I don't see on other threads and it gets me out of my British high street comfort zone. It's also because I like talking about this kind of stuff and enjoy the digressions too.

Speaking of which, the range of funeral customs is fascinating. I've been to quite a number of catholic funerals and they've been very dress down and laid back by comparison. I'm always careful to begin with 'in my experience' or 'all the funerals I've been to' etc but I'll take even more care in future.

I love the look and the colour of those trousers Catherine. Sadly big pockets on my thighs rarely do me any favours. Envy

botemp · 23/08/2018 08:21

I think it is more accepted these days to adjust rites and rituals to the deceased's wishes. So what we perceive to be something religious isn't always the case. The most unusual funerals I've been to was a 'Buddhist' one, but it really was a cherry picked version as he died very young at 18 and suddenly (acute Leukemia IIRC) and his parents had never really spoken much about death with him but he had expressed interest in Buddhism and expressed interest in certain customs for himself. So we all wore white (which was so different than black and I'm not sure if it's down to black being the default in Western custom) and the body was wrapped, almost mummy style and burried without a coffin. But the music was by Coldplay and the speeches were like any old Dutch non-religious ceremony.

Peregrane, I find with leather accessories it can really elevate a look if you go for 'not black' but it's a lot harder to get several accessories in the same tone, never mind the same shade but if it is all from one make it can look a bit matchy matchy in a boring way, but when you get it right it's always stunning. Oxblood and olive are particular off the beaten path favourites of mine but tougher to find, I do find them more versatile as they'll go with the staple colours of grey, dark green, navy, beige and black where black can look quite nondescript with some of those.

Speaking of matchy matchy, I went browsing through the easily accessible bit of my A/W wardrobe looking for heritage style fabrics and patterns and was reminded I was already doing this last year as I wore attached outfit a few times with opaques and my Margiela ankle boots. Which reminded me so long as the accessories are a bit more sharp and contemporary I can get away with it.

Yoox order arrived yesterday, unfortunately Toteme dress was far too big with way too much extra fabric which was a real shame as the colour was lovely, fabric was much nicer than expected too, viscose but looked and felt very much like the silk of my Toteme trousers. The obvious alternated striped Jacquemus trousers were a bit blah. The gamble pair with the cuffs and subtler striped pattern, however, were brilliant were it not that they arrived with a broken zipper Sad thankfully they had a size up still available, so have swapped them for that as taking in the waist is less of a hassle than replacing an entire zipper in a fully lined trouser. Length was good too for wearing with heels, they fit wider on me and with the added height of heels they have a bit of a Palazzo feel. IM jumper was a bit too wide and cropped for my liking.

Also took receipt of a secret sales order that I'd half forgotten about, was a bit of a gamble as materials weren't specified. From that order two things from Margaux Lonnberg are definitely going back, but I'm on the fence with this cami from Amator. It's curpro and tencel, which is cellulose based fabric (tick for the environment) that looks and feels like washed silk but is a lot easier to look after. The lace isn't really lace but a star trim, normally despise all things star but I like the effect of it here as it looks lacy but not underwear lacy. Love how it looks on from the front but am irrationally annoyed by the bulk of the adjustable straps at the back. Not that I see the back much, but still. I'm wondering if my tailor can just attach them at a fixed length and not charge me a ridiculous amount of money for it.

Catharine, I suppose it's down to regional settings but I get an error on the Topshop site so can't see the trousers but they sound good.

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Auldspinster · 23/08/2018 08:52

I'm an apple and have size 8 feet.

quirkychick · 23/08/2018 08:54

I think you've said it much better than me, bo, heritage fabrics need good tailoring or pairing with something very modern.

I'm not french, either, I did do french at A level and went over quite a lot, but that was years ago. My french is very rusty. I just like taking the bits of it that suit me and playing with it. I've just read a comment on a YouTube channel which says about french style being about taking care of yourself and valuing yourself which is attractive to others.

botemp · 23/08/2018 09:05

I don't know if that's exclusively French, quirky, but definitely can get on on board with that attitude and I think it's very true. Think it also ties in with things we discussed earlier that people we like we view as more attractive than they are, as in present yourself as something to be valued and you will be.

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ToElleWithIt · 23/08/2018 09:20

Peony Lovely outfit, you look great. I agree that navy should be fine for a funeral. The Bobbies are lovely, a good alternative to the Yvonne Kone ones I was looking at too.

Thanks for the inspiration boards botemp. I particularly like the first one. That bag of yours has aged so well. It feels very current. The cami looks great too, shame about the Toteme dress.

Heritage fabrics aren’t really my thing either. I think I lack the opportunity to make them more youthful by clashing and layering both because I think that would be tricky in an office and also because I’m not sure I have the eye to pull it off. I think just wearing hounds tooth blazer, for example, risks looking quite staid. Maybe I’ll go the scarf route.

For my part I’m really loving all the 70s vibes and the Western influences. I think a pair of cowboy boots may make the list.

JonSnow What a bargain top. I immediately though denim skirt with it.

Banivani I enjoyed your Story of the Elusive Top. I laughed at the “mum goes to a wedding” description of the lace tops; I know exactly the style that you’re talking about. I’m glad you got something in the end.

I like the idea of the attached cape from Toteme, but I’m not sure that it would be very practical.

Lovely loafers Peregrane

It’s fascinating reading about all the traditions surrounding funerals in each culture, especially the mourning periods. The difference between Irish and English funerals is well documented on mumsnet, but we bury our dead really quickly (the funeral homes run like a well-oiled machine), often wake them (open casket) and funerals are big. Having met the deceased is not a prerequisite for attendance, knowing the mourners is reason to attend, to support them. There’s website that lists deaths and funeral arrangements and it wouldn’t be uncommon for older people to check it regularly to make sure they don’t miss a funeral because the timeframe is so short.

ToElleWithIt · 23/08/2018 09:20

Forgot to attach the cape!

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botemp · 23/08/2018 09:34

Speaking of Western, I'm not sure how on board I am with the US version of it but I was taken with this newly launched Argentinian brand, Acheval Pampa that had a spread in Madame Le Figaro. It only seems to be on limited sale at Moda Operandi for now. It's also reminding me of that cape we all went mad for on the de toujours webshop. That cape from Toteme had caught my eye too, Elle, and as much as I'm all about embracing the impractical for the sake of aesthetics, capes really are a pain in the arse unless they have sleeves and officially aren't truly a cape anymore...

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CatherineMaitland · 23/08/2018 09:44

I can't do pockets on my thighs on the sides easily as they add bulk Floisme but these are set just a bit more on the front and look fine.

I don't mind my thighs though. They're not slim but they're strong.

botemp · 23/08/2018 09:44

Some more pics from Acheval Pampa.

I also came across a new luxury sustainable etailer based in London. Although prices are surprisingly reasonable for what they're selling, saw some lovely silk pieces that are really well priced. Their sale/outlet section is bargain central if you've got the right size. I particularly like that with every brand they carry (they also have their own brand, R.E.V. with some lovely looking things) what makes them sustainable in their book. So Johnstons of Elgin was already in my good book for being entirely processed and fabricated in Scotland but I never knew they were committed to buying cruelty free cashmere, can't even find info on that on their own website. They have an ethical shipping policy (it's always offset, and you always have to pay, which I do think is a good thing even if I don't like it being in the spendy destination) and really seem to be doing this with the right approach to still deliver a premium service. Minor marks down though for pretending to be French with their choice of name...

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XingMing · 23/08/2018 11:52

Catherine, I do like those Top Shop trousers! And Bo's Argentinian brand looks wonderfully romantic.

I can't do capes as I'm too short and narrow of shoulder, to say nothing of the impracticality. Sleeveless coats and jackets on the other hand...

UK born and resident, with a past life in major cities but now a country bumpkin. You all help keep the hayseeds at bay.

peonylover22 · 23/08/2018 12:02

Love Bo’s boards, especially the Bois de rose.
I am beyond excited about Autumn colours, absolutely love berries and crimsons so it’s interesting how many of you complemented the dark red top above - at least I’m drawn to the right colour for me. Also love A/W fabrics and patterns - tweeds, houndstooth etc, favourite is herringbone. For me, it’s about mixing textures and colours to keep it looking interesting, but I agree that those fabrics can be cut in an overly bulky, staid way.
Also really interesting to read about everyone’s approach to funeral attire. The funeral in question is conservative Catholic and OH’s family are quite formal. MIL is wearing all black so I feel most comfortable following suit in this instance. I have rediscovered a cropped black jacket with a slight peplum hem which does an excellent job of disguising mini bump. Will pair with demure black pencil skirt and Sezane black suede courts and black sheer tights.
Love the IM shirt JonSnow definitely try with a slim skirt.
On the Bobbies shoes, Peregrane I do have long (definite UK size 8) rectangular feet which are a bit wide. I have a cognac leather pair (size 42) from last season which are a great fit on me and getting loads of wear. I also bought (and returned) heaps of sandals which fitted well but I didn’t like the look of on my feet.

I’m UK born and resident, although I have spent time living abroad in the past (US and Australia). I like this thread because the advice here helps me to make the most of my figure and colouring. Also I have discovered lots of great brands through it.

Floisme · 23/08/2018 12:28

I think tweed has such traditional connotations that it’s not really that hard to knock it off kilter. I wear a tweed jacket with one of my husband’s or son’s band T shirts or over a hoody or sweatshirt. I’m not personally into leather skirts or leggings but I bet they would work too. Or a tweed skirt with a hoody or leather jacket. Make sure shoes, hair etc all look modern. I’ll def try a skirt and jacket in mismatching tweed this autumn.

Mind you I also have a soft spot for the full on Queen at Balmoral look so maybe I’m not 100% objective. I just think it’s a beautiful fabric, subtle but stunning colours and I have such respect for the way it’s made and all the craft behind it.

botemp · 23/08/2018 12:41

Maybe it's a cultural aversion on my part as well, Flo. I love the look of tweed, etc. but I do associate it with politically conservative types who harp on about the good old days that were only good for people like them. That's specific to here, though, I think, they also tend to be Anglophiles who are drawn to the idea of strictly enforced hierarchies rather than crumb covered academics.

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Floisme · 23/08/2018 13:18

That’s weird I’m sure I posted again but I can’t see it. Maybe it’s on the wrong thread 😀 Anyway the gist of it was that this is partly why I like it bo - it does have very conservative connotations, especially in England and I admit I quite enjoy the discombobulating effect of teaming it with something unexpected. People don’t know what box to put you in, especially when you’re older and they can’t work out whether you’re being ironic.
But I do really like it in its own right too.

botemp · 23/08/2018 13:29

I was replying to you, Flo, so the post is there and visible to me. I guess the numbers are different though, it's a small subsection of people here and as mentioned previously I can't really wear it ironically convincingly. I do know what you mean about dressing outside prescribed boxes, I do that too, I don't mind the outsider status, means I can fit in anywhere when I feel like it.

Just saw Le Figaro has put up the images online that I so shoddily photographed in Paris from the magazine weeks ago. Have attached for love of the houndstooth.

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ToElleWithIt · 23/08/2018 13:37

Ooh I like the Acheval Pampa photos. I've also been admiring the work of a weaver on Instagram - brand is Ghost Dancer. I saw another picture of that IM blanket coat and the model look like she was wearing her duvet so I think I'm gone off it!

banivani · 23/08/2018 22:46

elle ive missed all funerals in Ireland because I haven’t been able to arrange a trip fast enough - surely there could be a happy medium between two days and a bloody month, so foreign travelers to get there :/

bo I so like a bit of cupro/tencel. I wander around shops pinching fabrics and I always stop when I feel tencel. Sometime I have to double check that it’s not silk.

Oooo speaking of silk, I was just remembering the other day a customer I had at the dry cleaner who wore bowling shirts; horrible flashy things, like Charlie Sheen in 2 and a half men. But the fabric was lovely, they’re made in a substantial silk twill that’s matte and thick. Really nice. When I was top-hunting I was thinking that a nice blouse in that fabric now, that’d do me.

Haven’t been to wedding yet, on Saturday. It’s a potluck so I have to cook too - shit still haven’t chosen recipe, just remembered.

ChesterBelloc · 24/08/2018 00:15

peony those Bobbies courts are gorgeous. I wish high heels didn't hurt me so much!

I LOVE the massive drape of the collar/lapels on that Toteme coat, bo. I'm always on the look-out for any kind of vaguely tulip-shaped neck on tops/coats/blouses (tho not tooo high and austere - still need to show some neck) as I think they frame my (pale, not very striking) face very well. Gah...brackets overload Confused

I also love your double tweed/houndstooth coat/scarf outfit - that's the kind of look I love for A/W.

quirkychick · 24/08/2018 08:52

I like those Acheval Pampa photos, I used to "borrow" a black spanish hat like the first pictures from my mum Grin as a teenager. It's a different take on the western look, I agree.

I've been going through my Pinterest autumn pictures and editing out stuff I don't want. A lot of full on boho/western pictures, that although I like a touch of it I can't pull off. It feels like I'm dressing up or in costume.

Every year I have a tartan scarf on my autumn wishlist, but never get one, I wonder if I'm better to go for a tweed as it has a similar feel but is perhaps more "me". I also have so many scarves, I'm not sure I can justify it.

CatherineMaitland · 24/08/2018 22:17

A French style pic with curly hair! - I'm stupidly excited.

www.instagram.com/p/Bm3q52_nTAx/?taken-by=lestylealafrancaise

quirkychick · 25/08/2018 08:26

I'm curly too CatherineMaitland Smile.

Floisme · 25/08/2018 10:20

I'm also curly (well very wavy) but with short hair. I think the last decade has finally cured me of my lifelong hankering for long, poker straight hair. It's still everywhere round here I and am so bored of seeing it.

So my search for everyday dramatic combined with a renewed flirtation with black have led to sending for this Rundholz skirt Not cheap but I find interesting shapes very rarely are. It may not be long enough - it's hard to tell without seeing it on a model.

If it's not right I have a Plan B but it's twice the price Shock What with this and the raincoat, I'm ripping through my autumn stash and it's not even September yet. Which is fine - that's why I save up and when it's gone, its gone but at this rate I'll have to give the Toast velvet trousers a miss for the second year running.

Floisme · 25/08/2018 10:21

Sorry who is this I and am person? Confused
and I am.

Floisme · 25/08/2018 10:57

And now you're all going to tell me you've got long straight hair, aren't you? Blush

Another sorry. I won't post again till I've had coffee.