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Royal Style thread: part 2

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QueenOfTheAndals · 16/07/2018 12:24

As requested!

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beanaseireann · 19/07/2018 09:09

Curly
I scrap my idea Blush

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Laiste · 19/07/2018 09:18

www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/06/09/national/25th-wedding-anniversary-crown-prince-hopes-award-wife-silver-medal/

Effort and gratitude prizes for your wedding anniversary. Very different culture. Fascinating. But still so closed and insular.

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QueenOfTheAndals · 19/07/2018 10:35

It's very insular and closed-off. Any princesses immediately lose their title and are struck off the official imperial family tree when they marry.

Masako is highly educated, attended Harvard and Oxford, and had ambitions to be a a diplomat when she met the Crown Prince. It must be utterly stifling for her to live in that environment and, in this day and age, be held responsible for "only" producing a daughter.

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DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 19/07/2018 12:01

If true that is a dreadful story. Sad

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MikeUniformMike · 19/07/2018 12:10

I don't think we should speculate too much on what size and weight the DoC and DoS are. It's not healthy. They are both very attractive and very slim.
Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie are more my height and are probably less 'tiny' and more 'normal' sized. Both are very attractive.

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OlennasWimple · 19/07/2018 13:47

I don't think we should speculate too much on what size and weight the DoC and DoS are. It's not healthy.

I don't think anyone has speculated on weight, though I take your point. The relevance was that we were discussing why MM's clothes often seem too bulky for her, and IMHO it's because she's so small. I used to be a bit like this in my younger day (full skirts dwarfed me, for eg) and one of my friends is probably smaller than MM and struggles to find adult clothes that don't drown her

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MikeUniformMike · 19/07/2018 13:50

Oh OK. I would have thought that there were plenty of high street (or now Retail Park) shops that cater for small sizes.
Presumably DoC and DoS have access to seamstresses or have their clothes made to measure. I suspect that both of them would perfectly nice in normal clothes but somehow look overdressed.

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DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 19/07/2018 14:00

I am sure Eugenie will look gorgeous on the day. Hope her parents can sit next to each other!
No plans for Oct 12th but won't be applying for tickets. Have been to a lovely October wedding, they may be lucky with the weather.

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QueenOfTheAndals · 19/07/2018 16:28

She's an attractive young woman, I'm sure she'll look lovely. I wonder if Beatrice will be maid of honour?

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CurlyWurlyTwirly · 19/07/2018 16:41

I really hope Beatrice is a Maid if Honour.
The sisters are close and I guess it’s the best opportunity to beam it out to the world that she’s single!

Given he royal tradition for bridesmaids to wear white, it will be a bit weird to have 2 adult women walking down the aisle in white. I hope they go a bit different and give Beatrice a shade of white, eg eau de nil.
I really hope Beatrice wears her hair up, it really suits her as although her hair is gorgeous, she’s got a small face and then big features, eyes & teeth, so hair at least half up would be pretty.

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CurlyWurlyTwirly · 19/07/2018 16:55

Eugenie looks stunning in an old issue of tatler
She was only 18 but her hair and makeup are gorgeous.

Also a couple of pictures of bea with her hair up.
She looks lovely in the photo in the Elie Saab at the White tie ball.

I really wish the York a Girls could get it right fashion wise more often.
They have such a huge budget from their dad, they could look,amazing...

Royal Style thread: part 2
Royal Style thread: part 2
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QueenOfTheAndals · 19/07/2018 22:28

There's no Kate or Meghan appearances scheduled do well have to make do with the continental royals. The Swedes have been out celebrating Victoria's birthday. I wonder why she always scrapes her hair back so severely? I don't think I've ever seen a pic of her wearing it down.

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Clionba · 19/07/2018 22:37

I don't think we'll see Kate for quite a while now. I suspect Meghan and Harry will go on holiday, maybe not emerge for some time. We'll have to rely on the Euro Royals!

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QueenOfTheAndals · 19/07/2018 22:44

I'd love to know the gossip on how the Euro royals are regarded in their own countries. Are any of them thought to be lazy, like the way William and Kate are accused of being from time to time? Does the Swedish press harp on about Sofia's glamour model days? Are the monarch's indiscretions still talked about?

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lightonthewater · 19/07/2018 22:45

I don't like all the trench coat type things Meghan wears, they don't suit her and swamp her figure. She doesn't wear colours that suit her much of the time, they don't seem to fit or sit well. Her hair looks a mess when it's in a bun a lot of the time too. She needs to get a decent stylist. Also her shoes don't seem to fit properly - she seems to have very narrow feet and perhaps that is why.

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banivani · 19/07/2018 23:20

As it happens I am Swedish so I can maybe fill you in Queen.

There is/was a tacit agreement in Sweden to not be too hard on the royals. This meant that there was no digging into the king’s “coffee girls” and carrying-ons that were apparently a bit of an open secret, nor any big stories about Silvia’s father’s nazi connections. The attempt the past decade or so to be more scrutinising has only worked so-so though. I don’t think the Swedes really like a hardcore approach á la British tabloids against the royals for some reason. They’re happy enough to rake anyone else over hot coals ... Anyway the marriages and children have been a huge image boost and it seems taken all the pressure of the king. It’s accepted that he’s an awful eejit but TG for Victoria who seems so sensible and will do a grand job. No one wants to write about that horrible adultery business because it comes across as mean towards Silvia and the kids. And criticising Silvia over her father being a Nazi didn’t feel fair either so that petered out.

That said the press used to write a lot about Madeleine’s lifestyle and her husband still gets a lot of negative headlines. He’s not liked, prob because he’s different and fundamentally not that interested in being a Royal. I think they like to play the “he should be grateful he was allowed to marry our princess” card. I think the press have been kindest to Victoria out of some idea that as the eldest and heir she’s under more pressure. They left her alone when she had an eating disorder for example. She also is very pleasing to Swedish sensibilities being so level headed and quietly stubborn in her choice of husband (really a huge shift when she married him, completely unconnected to anyone). Madeleine appears to have been seen as more fair game, being the baby with no responsibilities? She partied too much, she wore a rabbit fur hat, her friends were too rich ... Carl Philip seems very average so even the criticism of his design ventures seemed half hearted, like no one really believed he did it anyway so why bring it up? Sofia’s past is left in the past. Bad taste to harp on about it, also not as stigmatising here I think. Her being very much “of the people” helps, esp given she’s from a region fiercely proud of its heritage.

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Quantumblue · 20/07/2018 00:02

So interesting to hear the Swedish viewpoint! It is hard to understand why there seems to be a bit of hostility to Madeleine. Also why eyebrows are not raised more over Sofia' soft porn past.
Victoria does seem like a strong and sensible future monarch.

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CurlyWurlyTwirly · 20/07/2018 06:45

Interesting perspective on the Swedish Royals. I read that Princess Sofia was really admired for wearing the national costume of her region for her son’s christening.

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banivani · 20/07/2018 08:09

I think that at some level everyone knows monarchy is ridiculous (disclaimer: I'm not a monarchist/royalist, just a hypocrite who likes dresses). One family/extended family gets a huge amount of privilege and is held up as role models/symbols, with no actual power, while having their civil/human rights seriously curtailed - it doesn't gel. And generally speaking people enjoy having a monarchy, even if they can't say way beyond "I think they seem lovely and do a good job (what job?) and it's a nice tradition". I mean, what's the consequence of bitching about the royals, complaining about their lifestyle and intelligence? Fine, then we won't have any? But we want them and we want them to wear beautiful dresses at the Nobel Prize dinner every year ... so better to tacitly agree that they won't be too ostentatious and obnoxious, throwing in the odd high street dress for example and doing a tv special every new year about their year, and we keep them. What would bitching about Sofia serve? Are we saying that Carl Philip isn't allowed marry her? Are we telling him who he can marry? How un-democratic! And if he does, are we so disappointed then we abolish the monarchy? No, best shut up. And now that they ARE married, putting her sexypics in the papers all the time would be seen as misogynistic and thus bad press etiquette (they have a self-disciplinary body). Poor taste!

Sweden has a strong sense of Jante law which doesn't fit with royalty and nobility. Or Zlatan Ibrahimović. They have to be a bit humble for this to work. At least pretend that they care tremendously about the common folk. ;)

Victoria is steady, sensible, strong sense of duty, took the right courses at university for her future role, married a lad from bloody Ockelbo for God's sake after them being together for years, a Swedish designer did her wedding dress. Carl Philip did his army thing, tries to be interested in design (a.k.a. real job), has no terrible scandals to his name anyway (also always more acceptable when men party etc b/c misogyny), marries a woman from bloody Älvdalen of all places, her wedding dress designed by Swedish woman designer with RTW line (accessible). Madeleine ... she was photographed often with a fast set of youngsters in her youth, partying etc. They stamped her party princess, because we always need a madonna and a whore, right? Then she fecks off to New York, makes it quite clear she enjoys being anonymous abroad, and find a little bit older, smoking, non-Swedish businessman who doesn't want to tow the line and be grateful for marrying "us" and they don't live in Sweden! And her wedding dress was Valentino! Terrible. He got bonus points for crying openly at the wedding though, and they did quite well on Skavlan. ;) But he smokes. And isn't super-traditionally handsome. And loves making money, clearly. Sure they don't know what to make of him and they hate it.

Re Sofias regional costume: It was a huge deal actually. The area is very big on these costumes and they have to have all the details right, which she did. It's not like the royals, who might wear the costume from a region they're staying at (like when they're at their summer home on Öland, but even then it's a special, royal, version of it) or possibly from the region they're duchess of whatever of, or that ugly "Swedish" one that's blue and yellow. Sofia is duchess of Värmland but she did not wear a costume from that area (they also have several) but from her home. Very interesting.

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QueenOfTheAndals · 20/07/2018 08:12

Thanks @banivani, a great insight. I'd heard rumours about the king's affairs but of course the queen can't help her father's past. Interesting that Sofia's glamour modelling (I don't think she was ever in any kind of porn?) days aren't mentioned - very different to the British press!

The Scandinavian monarchies seem more relaxed. I'm sure there was a bit of scandal when the Norwegian crown prince married a single mum but I don't think anyone cares about that anymore. That would never happen here! But I guess the king set a precedent when he said he wouldn't marry at all (thus ending the Norwegian monarchy) if he couldn't marry the woman he loved.

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Laiste · 20/07/2018 08:17

curly I'm picturing Kate dressed as a Beefeater at Louis' christening Grin

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QueenOfTheAndals · 20/07/2018 08:19

The royal marriage mystery that intrigues me is Joachim and Alexandra of Denmark. I wonder what went wrong? She retained a title and a lot of her royal jewels after their divorce and seemed to still be on excellent terms with Queen Margarethe and very popular with the Danes.

She was another one who was very intelligent and educated, and Joachim comes across as a bit dim! He then remarried, to a woman who's a dead ringer for his sister in law Mary 

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banivani · 20/07/2018 08:25

The Norwegians def set a precedent, yeah! And that RF and ours are close, so it mattered. The British tabloid style is terrible and would not fly here. I have to say though that Swedish press can hound and be terrible to individuals too, but the royals are given a pass. My clumsy analysis as per above then is that the press doesn't bite the hand that feeds them. There'll always be new politicians and celebs, and to hell with THEIR kids seeing headlines on the way to school, but we only have the one RF ...

Joachim is/was an arse who cheated, I think? She's too smart for him I'd say. Back to style - she's a very elegant woman!

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Quantumblue · 20/07/2018 08:45

Alexandra was always very elegant but has turned in her 50s into a kind of party girl, all mini skirts and cleavage. Am not intending to age shame her but it is an interesting direction to take. Maybe she is just enjoying being free of being royal and also seeing off her awful dim toy boy.

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QueenOfTheAndals · 20/07/2018 08:50

She recently got divorced from her second husband, who was even younger - 14 years her junior!

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