🐌 Fantastic Skincare: The One Where Sallie Swallows Dermaplaned a Lion Named Fabio

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For those who are taking a peek and wondering what this all about, we mostly discuss a bit of advanced skincare here with a perspective of seeking out the right ingredients (rather than the latest new shiny product and all its empty promises) for our particular skin needs. Distinguishing the acid toners from the actives whilst avoiding the truly unimpressive and harmful ingredients with a hope to achieve a bit of anti-ageing, alleviate irritation and sensitivities with some idle chat in between. Newcomers are always welcome but please note the following:

Questions and asking for help on this thread is encouraged, however, we can’t give you a specific routine to follow and hope it works out for the best. There are no overnight miracles in skincare whether it be in the form of products or techniques. It’s about perseverance, understanding your skin, assessing its needs and responding to that in a diligent manner.

These threads were created to help those who want to learn for themselves. We’re a group of interested and invested skincare nuts happy to offer tea and sympathy and dole out advice. Everyone’s journey with skincare is different, what is universal and binds us is that through actually learning about the different active ingredients it helps us get to know our skin and help us adapt as it will change many times throughout our lives - with seasons, hormonal changes, ageing, genetics etc. It's in everyone's best interests to get to know their skin and to keep reviewing those changes with the confidence that comes from the gathered knowledge here. We really encourage you to spend the time reading through previous threads and linked info sheets that the many contributors have taken the trouble to share.

By no means are we experts, we're only a bunch of amateurs that can only respond by suggesting what we would do in your place, for any severe conditions please seek out professional help.

Ahem, and finally a little note on spending. I'm well aware these threads cause many to reach for their wallets and spend with wild abandon. There can sometimes be a bit of a frenzy surrounding the excitement around a newly discovered product or on the back of great improvements when someone reports back. This is all great, it doesn't however, mean everything that's a sudden miracle for one will be it for you. Usually, it's a light bulb moment for connecting the right skincare ingredient with an individual experiencing a specific problem. Take your time to mull over decisions and question whether it's right for you too. Skincare is highly individual, it's a slow game that should cost mostly in patience, input, education, and perseverance. Please don't make it cost you financially needlessly.

I am very slowly working on consolidating the gathered information from previous threads into easier to read formats but it’s slow going. I would suggest reading thread 1 and at the very least the following info sheets (provided they apply to you):

Where to Start

Basics of an Actives Routine

Skin Types vs. Skin Conditions Info Sheet

Anti-Ageing Info sheet

Adult Acne Info Sheet

Understanding Which Sunscreen(s) to Buy

Do I Really Need to Wear Sunscreen Every Single Day of the Year?

A Damaged Skin Barrier - Now What?

MARCH 2018: We managed to live through hairmageddon without any major losses. We welcomed some new inquisitive faces, reunited with some much missed old ones, and are delighted at the thought of a baby snail on its way. Now, all we need is the weather to start cooperating and match the levity in our moods…

I think iron wise I should probably be ok, I've had low iron before it's much more noticeable, this really seems to be low blood pressure related only. I was going through MFP earlier and did notice that I've not been eating a lot of carbs in terms of daily intake. Macro wise it's fine but in terms of grams it really isn't much (around a 100g, I think officially low carb protocols start around that point), I've always done better on moderate complex carbs so I'm going to incorporate a bit more of them and hope that helps.

Sophie I've never tried applying it without anything on my skin first as my skin is too dehydrated.

Bo I really hope you feel better soon

I don’t think I fully appreciated before posting how fast this thread can move!
I’m still just using cleansers and toleraine fluid at the moment (plus duac in PM) and i think I have turned a minor corner where I’m waking up with less new spots in the morning. It’s just now the current ones are taking an age to go down and are not doing it quietly. Thinking of trying out Enids cicaplast b5 technique after a few more days of keeping it simple.
I also want to research and decide what sunscreen to try next over this weekend so I can order ready for when this breakout calms down.

I really wanted to like the IT cosmetics cc cream, I found a shade that worked and really did like the finish of it but unfortunately it did cause a breakout - and this was about a year ago when my spots were all under control. Ended up passing on to my mum, who has completely different skin to me and never suffers with spots, and even she got the odd spot after using it. Never did get to the bottom of what caused it as the ingredient list is so long!!

Hope everyone is having a good long weekend and those that aren’t feeling great feel better soon

Bo if your body is craving salt then you could be a bit dehydrated.

Your kidneys hold on to salt to attract the water in your body to try and keep up your blood pressure.

Do you have a history of kidney, heart or liver problems? Do you take a lot of ibuprofen by any chance or diuretics? Been on antibiotics recently? All can affect your kidneys which you probably know already.

Jdster thanks that looks like the colour that would suit me actually, I'm looking quite pale at the moment.

I chucked on some Clarins extra comfort foundation earlier as we popped into the local shops and ended up buying some lovely earrings, a bracelet etc on the way to pick up a parcel from Sainsbo's .

The clarins is a bit rich for my skin but actually did it job of comforting my skin which stung like a MoFo after using AHA and a mild retinol last night I guess the TO is not as mild as I thought in conjunction with the Neotrata on alternate nights.

I forgot to add that in one boutique the assistant said I looked far to young to have kids - I'm 47 - DD 10 and I were and both delighted

Bo It's instictive things like drinking more water and eating salty foods. These help the most. Particularly the salt which explains why you're craving it.

Eating little and often rather than 2-3 big meals seems to help a bit. Liquorice raises blood pressure slightly, although you may need to eat a lot, you can get liquorice tea which is actually very nice. People with high blood pressure are told to avoid liquorice.

Unfortunately the doctors don't seem interested in blood pressure issues unless it's high but the symptoms of low blood pressure are so unpleasant that I wish they would. There actually is a medication that can be given for low blood pressure. I think it's just a sodium thing so it works in the same way as the salt. My useless GP said it's more readily prescribed in Europe than the UK so if you can get to a different doctor perhaps you could ask about it. I'll try to remember the name.

Sorry that's all not much help. Cotton wool head today.
Definitely keep your fluids up.

Tant bo That's interesting about the kidneys. I get very dehydrated on bad ME/CFS days. To the point where I'm never not desperately thirsty, all investigations are 'fine' so it's ignored but I have a history of mild kidney problems and kidney stones and issues run in my family. I've assumed it was the low blood pressure and a general cfs symptom but maybe I should push for them to look at kidneys more. Something to think about anyway so thank you.

Congrats on the youthful compliment Tant

Hope you are all having a peaceful weekend. I realised we have more chocolate than we've ever had before in the house. I bought little bags of mini eggs and foiled chocolate eggs to decorate with and they've added up to rather a lot. There's only 2 adults on the house.

Yes do keep an eye on your kidneys if you have low BP, blood tests can check if they are working properly ie retaining toxins they are meant to be excreting, obvs if your wee is dark you are definitely dehydrated and if its straw coloured it's ok. Sorry TMI for S&B. Just stay hydrated.

Thanks tant and Enid, definitely not dehydrated. My GM was a renal patient so I know the signs and I drink plenty and pass all the quick diy assessment tests. I was reading up on low carb diets, and there does seem to be an issue that the lower insulin levels due to reduced carb intake mean you excrete more sodium and potassium, which leads to low BP, hence it's advised to increase salt intake on a low carb diet. I'll just be consciously increasing carbs instead, I'm not purposefully dieting so no point in temporary measures (but will continue to add a bit more salt so long as the BP seems low).

Will get some liquorice in tomorrow, shouldn't be that hard. I think we're the largest consumers of liquorice worldwide.

What SPFs are you considering Zo? I think the EltaMd SPF46 may be a good one for you but I think it contains Octicoxinate which is a UV filter some expectant mothers tend to avoid but is theoretically perfectly safe to use.

bo Sodium tablets are...slow sodium tablets 🙄 Unsure of dosage but they're for people low in sodium. Unsurprisingly.
I don't know what the medication for low blood pressure is but I'm sure he said there is some in Europe.

God that was zero help sorry.

Tant I have to drink huge amounts of water all the time. Does seem to point to kidneys to me. I need to find a different gp and pester them a bit. Thanks. Congrats on your youthful compliment btw.

DH was got ID'd in Booths for 2 bottles of champagne and some asparagus. Clearly the teens have moved on from White Lightning and Wotsits. He was 48.

Fluids do help low blood pressure bo. I can't remember the biology behind it but it definitely helps a bit.

Hope you improve soon Bo . Sounds like you understand what your body is telling you and you have a plan to implement.

Tant I’m quite pale, fair hair like you, but I can’t wear too pale a foundation or I look like a ghost. I obviously have some warmth in my skin tone, despite being pale. The NARS looks like it should be too dark for me, when it comes out of the tube, but it blends seamlessly. I was colour matched on counter and she was very knowledgeable. She was the one who took a sharp intake of breath when I said I’d been using EL double wear .

Oh and forgot to mention, am watching the Mary Berry Easter special and she's making the pregnant Easter men from my childhood with her grandchildren, despite remembering them tasting being vile, it was lovely to reminisce and will happily make up for not being able to decapitate an Easter lamb cake tomorrow

I'm another one with low blood pressure, I find mine plummets when I'm dehydrated so drinking loads of water helps. When it's particularly bad I sometimes take those awful tasting dioralyte (sp) drinks as well. I had tablets for it when I lived abroad (not Europe) not sure what they were called but they definitely worked, I've asked about them here and drawn a blank. I agree Enid the medical profession here aren't very interested in blood pressure issues at all unless it's high. I've passed out in various places (including hospitals!) and had ambulances called and all kinds of drama and palaver when mine has dropped really low, but once they realise it's 'just' low blood pressure that's been it really.

I hope you feel better soon Bo

That's a lovely compliment Tant I used to get people thinking I was about 10 years younger than my age until fairly recently but sadly no longer, think it's the sagging that gives my age away as apart from crows feet I'm not wrinkly.

I like a bit of Mary Berry sometimes. She has a very comforting no nonsense way about her.

I cannot stop eating chocolate. I've discovered the lethal combination of hot sour cherry juice and dark chocolate. Holy moly it's good.

Hi everyone. I'm not sure you can help me but I'll ask. Slightly different from routine skin stuff.

DD has severe obstructive sleep apnoea, and sleeps with a CPAP machine (and mask). She has gorgeous, creamy, even-toned skin, but is sensitive to almost every adhesive in plasters etc. She appears to have become sensitive to the silicone in the mask which leaves her with nasty red marks. Unfortunately her sleep consultant and the machine suppliers have v little to offer. We've tried everything I am think of. Vaseline, 8 hour cream, lanolin, moogoo udder cream, shea butter, jojoba oil, LRP toleriane riche cream. I've even used the stuff they use to prevent irrigation from colostomy bags - she was sensitive to this. Can anyone think of anything else? DD is now 12 and noticing. She is a normal, otherwise healthy, slim, sport-mad child.

I forgot. We do use cotton liners at times but this seems to reduce the efficacy of the mask and hence reduces her sleep quality.

As she is young and requires quite high pressures there really is no alternative mask. Treatment of sleep apnoea for kids hasn't developed v much yet.

Oops! V long post.

No worries Terms, the more details, the better. Just for my clarification, it's definitely the silicone material that's causing the issue not the pressure/friction exerted, or is it a combination thereof? The current strategy has been to get a thick barrier cream in between to minimise direct contact with the silicone material?

terms

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I was going to suggest lansinoh (nipple cream) Terms but as you already tried lanolin and the udder cream I'm not sure it would do anything different. It's cheap enough though so might be worth a try.

I know a couple of people who use CPAPs so I could ask them if they've experienced anything similar/found anything to help, they are in the US though.

Though what Tant has found looks like it could be the answer

I'm guessing the cpap helmet isn't ideal for sleep apnoea ie to be used all night long just shorter bursts, what have they said about using the helmet?

www.google.co.uk/search?q=cpap+helmet+mask&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=kwksF1xma7qJwM%253A%252CCK0ar_2CuepXaM%252C_&usg=__L7a1h65UhQqte_OsxeLA3GsfPcc%3D&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjltImpvJfaAhXQasAKHYTwB_kQ9QEIRDAD#imgrc=kwksF1xma7qJwM:

Thank you everyone.

The sleepweaver isn’t suitable for us. Our consultant has said DD’s pressure requirement is too high for that mask. Pity.

Yes botemp. I’m not 100% sure whether it’s friction or silicone or what we clean the mask with. I think we’ve cracked the cleaning thing and can outrule that. I feel, as you said, it’s a combination of friction/pressure and silicone. DD already hates having sleep apnoea and having to wear the mask, this skin thin doesn’t help. I keep hoping she’ll grow out of it but our consultant is 50/50, and if I’m deep down honest, the Dr. thinks she won’t. (But I can’t go there yet.) I’m very lucky she’s no other health issues, no school issues etc etc, I know that, doesn’t make it easy.

What we do atm is Vaseline, wait for it to worsen, when it’s bad use the liner, put up with the poor sleep until it improves and round again.

Never saw the hood thing! She’d freak out I think!!

Thank you everyone, I do appreciate your help.

Yes the Cpap hood is a bit alarming and we only use it for short bursts, its impossible for the patient to hear anything plus its loud.

Would be very uncomfortable to sit upright all night with it on and fairly disruptive for sleeping.

I'm sure you've already tried the obvious parafin based cetraben and diprobase.

Actually I haven’t tried Cetreban! I remember my sis (similar sensitivities to DD) used that for her contact dermatitis, and it worked well for her. How did I not remember it! I will try it. Maybe it will work. I really hope they ‘invent’ a better treatment for OSA. Doesn’t look likely for the next while tho.

I’ve never seen that CPAP hood before. It must be very noisy indeed!