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Fantastic Skincare: Skin (almost) sorted- decent fucking summer fucking clothes would be fucking nice. Don't ask us about our hair 🐌

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botemp · 26/05/2017 19:18

Thread 1 Thread 2 Thread 3 Thread 4 Thread 5 Thread 6 Thread 7

I am very slowly working on consolidating the gathered information from previous threads into easier to read formats but it’s slow going. If you wish join us on this thread I would suggest reading thread 1 and at the very least the following info sheets (provided they apply to you):

Where to Start

Basics of an Actives Routine

Skin Types vs. Skin Conditions Info Sheet

Anti-Ageing Info sheet

Adult Acne Info Sheet

For those who are taking a peek and wondering what this all about, we mostly discuss a bit of advanced skincare here with a perspective of seeking out the right ingredients (rather than the latest new shiny product and all its empty promises) for our particular skin needs. Distinguishing the acid toners from the actives whilst avoiding the truly unimpressive and harmful ingredients with a hope to achieve a bit of anti-ageing, alleviate irritation and sensitivities with some idle chat in between. Newcomers are always welcome but please note the following:

Questions and asking for help on this thread is encouraged, however, we can’t give you a specific routine to follow and hope it works out for the best. There are no overnight miracles in skincare whether it be in the form of products or techniques. It’s about perseverance, understanding your skin, assessing its needs and responding to that in a diligent manner.

These threads were created to help those who want to learn for themselves. We’re a group of interested and invested skincare nuts happy to offer tea and sympathy and dole out advice. Everyone’s journey with skincare is different, what is universal and binds us is that through actually learning about the different active ingredients it helps us get to know our skin and help us adapt as it will change many times throughout our lives - with seasons, hormonal changes, ageing, genetics etc. It's in everyone's best interests to get to know their skin and to keep reviewing those changes with the confidence that comes from the gathered knowledge here. We really encourage you to spend the time reading through previous threads and linked info sheets that the many contributors have taken the trouble to share.

By no means are we experts, we're only a bunch of amateurs that can only respond by suggesting what we would do in your place, for any severe conditions please seek out professional help.


If you pose a question and we need more contextual information to answer properly we may ask you to fill in the following form. Please only use this form when asked, unsolicited forms will be deleted. Responses to the form can be found here


Ahem, and finally a little note on spending. I'm well aware these threads cause many to reach for their wallets and spend with wild abandon. There can sometimes be a bit of a frenzy surrounding the excitement around a newly discovered product or on the back of great improvements when someone reports back. This is all great, it doesn't however, mean everything that's a sudden miracle for one will be it for you. Usually, it's a light bulb moment for connecting the right skincare ingredient with an individual experiencing a specific problem. Take your time to mull over decisions and question whether it's right for you too. Skincare is highly individual, it's a slow game that should cost mostly in patience, input, education, and perseverance. Please don't make it cost you financially needlessly.

MAY/JUNE 2017: It’s summer and some of us are hourglasses (and otherwise beautifully shaped) that desperately need to bitch and moan about the severe lack of clothes available to us. Also, some of us are recovering from a ‘fine’ butchering to our hair. Don’t ask. Some of us suffer from all of the above. At least the weather is good, wear sunscreen.

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BaliBound · 10/06/2017 23:07

Thank you Enid Smile Yes, it's my first time using it, I'll report back!

Pupsiecola · 11/06/2017 08:13

Happy birthday Bali.

Not seen Bo for a while. Hope you're okay.

ohgoonthenjustonemore · 11/06/2017 10:11

Olli your skin looks amazing !! I'm extremely envious Grin

userallusedup · 11/06/2017 11:06

Happy Birthday Bali Cake Flowers

Olli you're skin looks great, I'm still holding out hope that the ret will give me those results but it's not looking likely.

I've got a blotchy red rash on my lower neck Sad it's definitely not the ret as I don't use it (or any actives) on my lower neck as I know it's much, much more sensitive than my face so I'm very careful. All I use on that area is hylamide subq and TO NMF both of which I've been using for a while now, I've not changed my shampoo or washing powder or worn a necklace so it's a bit of a mystery Confused

RubyGoat · 11/06/2017 11:20

Happy Birthday Bali! Hope you have a great day.

I've been thinking of switching my TO Vit C to night-time use. Mainly because one of those links Bo posted last week did recommend Vit C for night use, & also to reduce my very hurried morning routine. Any thoughts - where should it go? Currently at night I use:

  • Eye makep remover, then Cleansing oil then Lancome gel eclat face wash if I've worn makeup;
  • LRP Toleriane cleanser if I've not worn makeup;
  • Pure rosewater, as a toner;
  • PC BHA 2% then wait about 20 minutes
  • on alternate nights - BR P50W, or TO Retinoid 2%;
  • TO Buffet;
  • Avene moisturiser for combination skin;
  • With the odd spray of LRP Serozinc here & there.
botemp · 11/06/2017 13:06

Happy Birthday Bali! Cake

Sorry, everyone, it's been a really shit week healthwise, an early period that's been sucking all the life out of me so much that it was briefly mistaken for a MC, then my GP who generally dismisses everything and jokingly calls me a hypochondriac showed genuine concern. Thankfully I already had a gyno appointment for an annual check-up this coming week as I'd otherwise have to have had an emergency appointment and scan fitted in somewhere. GP insisting they do some extra tests to rule out cancer Sad. Sigh, it's that time of year again it seems, on the plus side I did somehow manage to buy a really nice trench coat at H&M heavily discounted and I even had an extra voucher they gave me for my birthday on top. Kind of useless in the summer but at least it'll serve me well come autumn. Hopefully, today will be the last day of my period and zombie-like appearance, being a hotter than hell type of snail but still lacking the wardrobe to match it isn't helping much with that and the cancer stuff will probably be nothing like it is every time.

If I find the energy tonight I'll put up the SS and have a good read to catch up properly, replies may be a bit slow. Someone else is going to have to yell really loudly about how stupid the illegal use of prescription medication without supervision is, as I just don't have the energy for it.

otyt, enjoy your holidays! If you can find it there, Alcolado in green square plastic bottles with a penguin on it is the best thing ever for mosquito bites. It's super alcoholic and mentholy but it takes the bumps down super quick along with the itch. It's a Caribbean special, but not sure if it's available everywhere there.To stop them from biting you, get something with citronella oil in it and slather it on, ankles and wrists especially. Sunset was always peak biting time for me, so if you're going out to dinner reapply then. If you're in non-aircon accommodation get some citronella candles as well. Oh, and welcome to the mixed race club of inheriting all the genetically useless bits in your (normal) geographical location and some nice ones too I'm sure.

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JDSTER · 11/06/2017 14:43

Hi Bo sorry it's been a rough week. Sounds like you've been through this process of testing before. Still causes anxiety regardless. Flowers

I think you'll notice none of us responded to the illegal use of prescription meds! Wrong thread to be posting on as someones first post Grin

Here a sunday supplement in advance of Bo's. I read it a few weeks ago on victoriahealth. They have someone writing some editorial features for them and here she's done a review of every TO product. We may not all agree with all the views but interesting reading nonetheless
www.victoriahealth.com/editorial/the-ordinary-the-definitive-review-1

BaliBound · 11/06/2017 15:31

Oh FFS! Clearly losing my marbles with age. I've definitely just posted this response on a random AIBU which looks a little bunfighty  ....

Thanks for the birthday wishes. I'm sorry you've had a hard week Bo.

Thanks for sharing JD, that was an interesting read. Some of the items she's given a great review for I really didn't rate. It's just a reminder how individual skincare really is. I am tempted to try the peeling solution though. 

Does anybody have any micellar waters that they would rec? I'm off to Glastonbury in a couple of weeks so I'll have no running water for 5 days  I'm thinking micellar water + LRP toleraine dermo (which will have to be removed with a moist cotton pad), will be my best option for cleansing.

mintmagnummm · 11/06/2017 17:31

Bali I don't think you can beat bioderma (pink bottle only) micellar water. Although the simple one gets lots of love and is less ££

Tsmummy08 · 11/06/2017 19:54

Bali DH reliably informs me that there are showers/taps at Glasto so no need to be completely feral :) My personal festival routine is: nighttime - wipes (Bioderma/Simple) to get the main bulk of crap and glitter off, then micellar water (Bioderma) to get the rest off, then sometime in the next day I'll have a shower (or wash from a tap) and use a cream cleanser with a flannel...

I've been out of action and unable to keep up with the thread for the last week with a poorly friend and now I've got a flare-up of an existing health condition which has floored me.... I'll endeavour to be more present in the coming week...

Skin wise I'm pretty happy except for the inexorable march of time! I went to a festival on Friday and was called an "old woman" by a drunk and lairy 20 year old in the queue - laughed it off at the time but felt a bit Sad afterwards!

BaliBound · 12/06/2017 12:58

Tsmummy He is correct but I am very much a festival goer of the feral variety Wink

Tsmummy08 · 12/06/2017 13:51

Bali - hahaha, wipes and micellar water for you then! I can't deal without a decent wash every day - enjoy Glastonbury, we've got some friends going but I can't go as I've got a kid, wouldn't attempt it with her until she's a teenager!

EnidButton · 12/06/2017 14:56

bo FlowersFlowers

Tantpoke · 12/06/2017 18:23

pupsie
I would probably describe my skin type as combination. I used to have acne when I was a teen for a couple of years. Not had it since.

My skin now although quite elastic and thick if that's makes sense, seems very sensitive. So reacts immediately to products not suitable.
I get red cheeks but not quite roseacea.
I have found all the TO products have been kind to me so far. But it's only been a week to be fair.

Moisturisers and spf seem to really disagree with me, therefore I favour serums and acids and now TO retinoid, Vit c and niacimide as they are working my skin.

I went through a short faze ?sp? of using clarins lotus oil, which I can't use everyday or I break out but is great to use once in awhile on rare dry skin

Tantpoke · 12/06/2017 18:23

Phase omg

Pupsiecola · 13/06/2017 09:18

Sounds similar to mine tant although I have never suffered with acne. I was just curious as to Murad. I've heard the name a lot lately...

Tsmummy08 · 13/06/2017 10:55

Flowers to Bo as well.... I wanted to ask for some collective advice on a suitable wound-healing/scar prevention oil/cream that I could get for my friend who I had to take to hospital last week: she had a massive ovarian cyst rupture, lost 4 units of blood (it was a bit touch and go), and she's been left with quite a large scar on her abdomen. She's healing ok but I wanted to get something for her to minimise the scarring - I know Bio-oil isn't great but wanted to know if anyone knew of anything better, maybe rosehip seed oil? I used Organic Pharmacy stretch mark oil when preggo (seemed to work!) but thought it might be a bit inappropriate (I'm possibly being over sensitive)...

ohgoonthenjustonemore · 13/06/2017 11:57

Flowersbo

botemp · 13/06/2017 12:25

Doing the giant catch up (will save SS for the next one).

Flowers for you and your friend Tsmummy08. Are we talking a proper surgical scar or skin that's lost volume?

Thanks for the flowers everyone. Yes, JDSTER, it's all unfortunately not unfamiliar but that kind of helps too. Was just a bit much in a short time span. I saw that Ordinary review too, I've yet to read it though. Was somewhat puzzled by the nature of the blogger-company relationship in that instance and I still struggle to see how one can test so many products since October(?). I'm sure it's a helpful guide though.

Speaking of Ordinary products and using them together, Olli, you've probably already purchased but in theory, when we're talking prescriptions, AZ is usually used instead of Retinoids, acting in a similar way but with certain other benefits (and lacking the anti-ageing action). So, in theory, you'd use one or the other but since TO stuff is relatively lower in strength it may be the case that using the two together is giving you results in synergy?

Cinderella, glad to hear the SC SPF is working out for you so far. Just make sure that when you do buy it at a discounted price that it's from a certified reseller as it is a popular product that I wouldn't be surprised to see 'faked'.

Enid, I use the Verso Eye Serum. I can't really say the absence of wrinkles means it works but it definitely did thicken up the skin in that area and unlike all the other Verso products (which did work well for me) this one has a noticeable tingle (not unpleasant or irritation). The LRP Redermic for eye is a good alternative, I think a few PP's DHs have had success with this (funny to know this is such a concern with men these days, I kind of like those smile lines on people except on me when they arrive, most likely )

Pupsie, have you contacted Deciem yet? IIRC the NIOD CAIS has some very specific interaction instructions with Vit C (though they only mentioned the Deciem Vit C). I think it does have to be CAIS that's first on the skin. Also, much like the AZ and Retinoid above, CAIS acts 'in place of' a retinoid so in that sense to see if it's really something worth spending on I personally wouldn't be trialling it along a new retinoid until you've established what each product does for you individually over at least 2 months.

yongnian, my best guess would be oxidation? I've had some weird oxidation happen with acids too, never really sussed it out. Technically Serozinc shouldn't work as there's no evidence that topical use of zinc helps the skin but many people are helped by it so it's kind of an odd product. I use it post workout after tissuing off any excess sweat to soothe and calm down my skin but you can pretty much use it wherever in your routine from post cleansing to over makeup.

cad186, can't remember exactly who (Lego possibly?) was looking into SPF hand creams but most contained avobenzone which can stain clothing. Personally, I'm of the 'get a highly water resistant thicker type sunscreen' school of thought and either use that as hand cream or over it.

wilting I always struggle with the mineral vs. chemical debate. If I were in the US, no doubt about it, I wouldn't even bother with chemical sunscreens. The 'best' (and most used) broad spectrum filter they have available is Avobenzone and that has so many issues (watering eyes, irritation, stability issues, etc.) it wouldn't be worth it to me. However, if you can tolerate chemical filters well (especially the more superior ones we have in the EU and Japan- sadly they also come at a higher price) then that still has my preference, or a chemical/physical mix. Chemical filters tend to provide a more even protection and are less likely to be moved off your face as easily. Most of the year I don't reapply during the day (just in summer when I'm either outdoors a lot or if the UV index is crazy high like it has been these past few days).

However, if you have rosacea the nature of how chemical filters work -by disabling the impact UV rays and carrying it off in the form of heat- can work against you so for certain skin conditions it makes more sense to stick with the less cosmetically elegant mineral filters.

Enid - for the CB list: I think at some point we all talked about the Merumaya as one of interest for you. The Muji Sensitive may work for you too, the Edenens I think had something (rosemary?) and I keep meaning to get the CB from the White Company but always forget, can't remember how safe that INCI was for you though. Erborian also had a new one with charcoal in it. The Avene Xeracalm is probably only of interest to very dry and eczema prone skin, I'm not sure how it would work for combo skin tbh.

victoria, I'd looked into that cleanser as it promised to have a surfactant that I anecdotally find to be really good for keeping pores clear (decyl glucoside) but I could never find a reliable INCI for the Avene (sometimes it was decyl, other time coco glucoside). If you've bought one recently can you let me know which surfactant they're using now?

The PK Elasticiser talk has left me wondering if it's of any use to me. I've always dismissed it, despite being a sucker for any longstanding cult beauty product, as I always assumed it was for chemically fried hair. I am a bit prone to hair breakage at a certain length (which I think is down to hormones or age, or something Confused), would it be helpful with that?

Bali I'm quite amused by your feral side especially since I vaguely recall your previous name being something goat related that refuses to relent any semblance of a routine Grin. The Koh Gen Do (can't remember which department store sells this brand in the UK, Debenhams?) Cleansing Wipes are supposed to be really outstanding. I'd take a thermal water spray too, to use post cleansing and then tissue it off. An acid toner also doubles up well as a morning cleanse or second cleanse (but remember your sunscreen Wink ).

Yes, Murad has some interesting products but I find their price point a bit inflated in the EU market. They have some interesting Vit C things too IIRC. Speaking of Vit C, I saw EPP is now selling a 15ml version of the SkinCeuticals CE Ferulic for half the price.

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SquintySquirrel · 13/06/2017 12:35

Help! Have always suffered from acne and have really sensitive combination skin but just found out I'm pregnant and my skin is an oily open pored acne filled mess and I don't even know what I'm allowed to use!

Does anyone have experience of pregnancy acne and have any recommendations? I feel so hideous just now Blush

Ollivander84 · 13/06/2017 12:41

Thanks Bo Smile I'm going to stick with the retinoid and see how my skin goes
Also interested in scarring - my spine one is pretty big!

Tsmummy08 · 13/06/2017 12:57

Bo yes proper surgical scar, it was an emergency so she got sliced open so they could see what was causing the bleeding Shock I've got some TO Rose hip seed oil which I could pass on... but would love to get her something a bit luxe, if also effective...

Would you recommend the Verso serum for crinkly eyes? I don't really spend too much on the rest of my routine these days, thanks to these threads, so wouldn't mind splashing out on something that stops drunk teenagers insulting me Grin I'm tempted to post a photo so you can see my main issues!

RubyGoat · 13/06/2017 14:04

Yes it was me that was looking for gand SPF. I'm just going to get a large bottle of the SPF that Bo linked on that blog though, much better value overall. (When I can afford it - I have about 3 orders I need to put though...)

botemp · 13/06/2017 15:20

Welcome Squinty, sorry you're feeling hideous. Any chance you'd be able to see a derm (privately)? You're quite limited during pregnancy with what you can use since the most useful acne fighting actives like retinoids and, to a certain extent, BHA are off the table. Beyond that certain chemical sunscreen filters are also best to avoid. This blog post offers a good overview of ingredients to avoid whilst pregnant. Prescription Azelaic is usually used with pregnant women as that is deemed safe and helps with acne and/or melasma (pregnancy mask). It depends, of course, how severe the acne is currently, what's your routine like now? You can get Azelaic OTC in the UK IIRC, and there are also a few options in the cosmeceutical world at lower concentrations but since you are pregnant it's probably best to use it under the supervision of a dermatologist or GP.

For the surgical scars, the only things that are supposed to work are silicon plasters and to a certain extend silicone gels. You have to get them on quite quickly though, whilst the wound is still healing. After that, it's pretty much like your face, high SPF at all times (especially the first year) when exposed to the sun (helpfully some of those plasters have built in SPF protection) and Retin-A (prescription and prescribed, of course) to accelerate healing in a controlled manner. Any emollient is helpful in the form of cream or oil provided it has a high concentration of antioxidants, niacinamide, panthenol, etc. in it to help keep the skin condition at its best but it won't do much for the scarring. A surgical scar is a bit different than a skin stretched back and forth during pregnancy in that regard.

So not all that fancy and pampering really, it can be as simple as the Cicaplast B5. I'm unsure how easily available the silicon plasters are but Scarban is the most recced by surgeons here and I believe there's another one called Dermatix. I think they're both Dutch companies, no idea why we specialise in those products Confused Should probably also add, the Scarban especially, they're exorbitantly expensive (they're covered by our NHS here so no incentive for low prices).

The Verso eye serum is a bit of a ride or die product for me. I only got it as it was part of a duo offer with the face serum and I'm more besotted to the eye serum than the face and have been using it for years now. It's actually quite affordable in terms of use, it lasts me 9-12 months and it's twice the amount of other eye products. I don't use it every day though, 4x a week when not using P50 and only at night. They advise to use it 2x a day all the time which I guess if you're in crinkly territory makes more sense but I can't say for certain how well it works for that. I mean I could give you promises of reverse non-drunken teens assuming you're their age and trying to chat you up mortifying experience that, that was but it's not really a fair assessment of the product I blame the hair. You were the one with the Retides cream though, right? Officially you're not supposed to use it in the eye area but you can slowly build it up by buffering it in with another cream with extreme caution.

Lego, incidentally I ended up ordering the Uncover SPF yesterday so will pick it up later today from the post office, hopefully. I'll let you know what I think.

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Ollivander84 · 13/06/2017 15:26

This is my scar, it's healing pretty well

Fantastic Skincare: Skin (almost) sorted- decent fucking summer fucking clothes would be fucking nice. Don't ask us about our hair 🐌