Yet More Fantastic Skincare and Where To Find It

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For those who are taking a peek and wondering whether thread 1,2, and 3 are worth reading, we mostly discuss a bit of advanced skincare here with a perspective of seeking out the right ingredients for our particular needs. Distinguishing the acid toners from the actives whilst avoiding the truly unimpressive and harmful ingredients with a hope to achieve a bit of anti-ageing, alleviate irritation and sensitivities with some idle chat in between. Deviations on this thread are mostly my fault.

This January we're doing some added extra chitchat about food and diet and reducing or eliminating sugar for both overall and skin health. Recipe sharing encouraged.

If you're in need of some advice coming to grips with your skincare routine please don't hesitate to ask, we don't bite, only occasionally sting with a bit of Biologique Recherche P50 now and then . Just make sure to state clearly what your concerns and needs are in as much detail as possible, skincare is highly individual and a random recommendation for a 'good' product will be completely different from one person to the next.

If you want help, please do read through the previous threads first. It takes a lot of time and effort to answer these queries and often the answers can be found in previous threads, but if you still have questions use the following form to make life easier on us. We generally answer one or to two people a day on a first come first served basis. Not everyone will have answers and sometimes we can't answer you at all. We're only a bunch of amateurs that can respond by suggesting what we would do in your place, for any severe conditions please seek out professional help.

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Ahem, and finally a little note on spending. I'm well aware these threads cause many to reach for their wallets and spend with wild abandon. There can sometimes be a bit of a frenzy surrounding the excitement around a newly discovered product or on the back of great improvements when someone reports back. This is all great, it doesn't however, mean everything that's a sudden miracle for one will be it for you. Usually, it's a light bulb moment for connecting the right skincare ingredient with an individual experiencing a specific problem. Take your time to mull over decisions and question whether it's right for you too. Skincare is highly individual, it's a slow game that should cost mostly in patience, input, education, and perseverance. Please don't make it cost you financially needlessly either.

Only with my fingers

Pai have brought a general sos type balm out www.paiskincare.com/products/head-to-toe-hero-buriti-balm?variant=32926497226

Haven't looked at it yet. Just thought I'd share. The quote promoting it is weird "angry skin, dry lips, tired feet...works on anything." Can't think what angry skin and tired feet have in common other than beng body parts.

I think putting conditioner through hair with fingers works better than a wide comb. No idea why, but tried both and it is. Think my colorphlex came today but the postman didn't leave it in the designated safe spot so will have to wait until Saturday.

I don't even own a comb

It is annoying, isn't it Skinful. I do wish there would be some sort of legislation in the same way you can't call something orange juice if it doesn't have a minimum % of something in it. It would be really hard to do with skincare though all the different ingredients and their maximum percentages are already an administration in themselves, to then add minimum counts would probably drive the industry insane. Like Aurora said, it's best to learn to understand an INCI or at the very least zero in on the phenoxyethanol rule and how the order of listed ingredients dictates the order of concentrations. Who knows it may be a very nice product, it's not something we can tell by the INCI alone but it's a shit product if you're specifically looking for something with the benefits of bee venom (which there are, and some people do really respond to it well) but if you can read the INCI you can tell a lot about the product and the company. I think Rodial was already in the naughty corner with their whole size zero cream propaganda that was pretty vile so they're hardly redeeming themselves here...

I own a comb that rarely gets used and a Mason Pearson brush which never gets used--

Well I don't own a brush either... but do own a wide toothed comb I use with conditioner but that's it

Hair is dry!

I watched a few natural hair videos on youtube as part of my hair detox prep thingy, and someone mentioned using a wooden brush to brush with, as in with wooden 'hairs', a special handmade one from Italy that's the bit that made me sit up and pay attention. Anyhow, I remember my mum used to use those on me as a child, hair was jet straight at the time though but it was good for very thick hair. Am contemplating it again now because it's handmade in Italy, it must be lovely and artisan and expensive.

Agree with bo. It's not so much whether the product is "nice" or not, but usually that it's not exactly what they claim it is... and this is closely connected to the mark up.
A while ago a friend told me she is very pleased with her very expensive French Spa brand moisturizer etc etc. I had never heard of that brand so when I got home I googled the cream. Well, you can imagine what the INCI list looked like

bo you know that "made in Italy" laws are very lax, right? As in handbag made in China handle attached in Italy

Before I forget Aurora, Media Markt is having their 21% off everything sale until Sunday and the Lumea is very affordable there now. Think the most expensive model with all the bits is around €300 and the wired one something like €200. Also, there's a cashback action for €50 back from Philips (so I'm assuming that's on top of the already low price). Link to cashback offer here. I'm heavily contemplating it too now, seems to good of a deal to pass up even though I had already talked myself into the professional thing but that would have been lower legs only... so for pits and bikini area it makes total sense, right? Just nod along with me

I know, but it's one of those brushes that comes from a small workshop where generations have been making the same brush, never wavering from tradition, bla bla bla. When those are actually true stories some Italian objects can be amazing. This how I ended up buying a Mason Pearson brush

Bo the smaller wired one is in my ICI shopping basket for smg like 164€!!! It's 179 and I have a discount code (which you can also use obvs).
It has 200,000 vs the 250,000 of the bigger one. For me the main plus point is that you don't run out of battery cause having to schedule and do legs on consecutive days would drive me mad and I would eventually stop using it. Also seems the small one would be easier to hold? I'll check Media Markt as well so thnx for the tip

In that case it's absolutely worth it. Just like artisan pasta that really tastes different!

Have you managed to find out which is the latest model of the wired ones? I tried to call Philips a few days ago but they were having some problems with their phones.
I think it's this one which I don't see on the media markt site

Or this one - it seems faster and lighter

I think it's a different version of this one. The thing that puts me off that one is that the little window is about half the size of the SC2009/00 (2.4 cm2 vs. 4 cm2)- (that's the only one with the cashback offer btw) so it'll take twice as long to do. I think the newest wired one is the SC 1997/00 but at 214 vs. 250 it's probably not worth economising on?

x-post. Lumea users, those who find they run out of charge before they're done is it the lamp that gets overheated (that was the issue with my old one which was wired) or is it really the battery that has run out?

If i remember correctly the problem was the battery running out and the fact it takes a few hours to charge.

Hollin your hair looks lovely, what did you think of the Shea stuff?

Really like it. The conditioner didn't feel as rich as one I've been using but when it's dried my hair feels nice if that makes sense?
I used about half the sample of shampoo but the full sample of conditioner

I've just stocked up on Toleriane Fluide before it runs out everywhere, I know it's only delaying the inevitable but never mind!

We'll need a new title soon enough

Skin, hair, food, beauty, makeup and um, anything else we veer off to?!

Remind me of the phenoxyethanol rule please. The max it can be is 1% so anything below it on the list will be less than 1%? Is that right?

Had a look at the new Pai balm now and it looks nice enough. Not sure what most people would use it for though.

Olus (Vegetable) Oil - Coconut & Rapeseed Oil
Rhus Verniciflua Peel Cera - Sumac Fruit Wax
Aleurites Moluccana Seed Oil* - Kukui Oil
Prunus Armeniaca Kernel Oil* - Apricot Oil
C10-18 Triglycerides - Emollient
Prunus Domestica Seed Oil* - Plum Kernel Oil
Mauritia Flexuosa Fruit Oil* - Buriti Oil
Tocopherol - Natural Vitamin E
Calendula Officinalis Flower Extract* - Calendula Flower Extract
Vanilla Planifolia Fruit Extract* - Vanilla Extract

Bo www.cultbeauty.co.uk/ren-keep-young-beautiful-sh2c-serum.html
Do you think this looks any good? Ren Keep young and beautiful serum (awful name!). I know it has HA in it but was considering risking it as I've been given some to try.

Rosa Damascena Flower Water, Glycerin, Alcohol, Cetearyl Olivate, Ascorbyl Tetraisopalmitate, Rosa Canina Fruit Oil, Palmitoyl Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein, Phospholipids, Zostera Marina Pectin, Sorbitan Olivate, Hydrolyzed Glycosaminoglycans, Vaccinium Vitis-Idaea (Lingonberry) Seed Oil, Sodium Hyaluronate, Dipalmitoyl Hydroxyproline, Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride, Hexapeptide-11, Commiphora Mukul Resin Extract, Phenoxyethanol, Faex (Yeast) Extract, Panax Ginseng Root Extact, Gynostemma Pentaphyllum Leaf Extract, Magnesium Aspartate, Zinc Gluconate, Copper Gluconate, Parfum (Fragrance), Linalool, Limonene, Farnesol, Oryza Sativa (Rice) Extract, Sodium Hydroxymethylglycinate, Xanthan Gum, Tocopherol.