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Yet More Fantastic Skincare and Where To Find It

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botemp · 07/01/2017 10:30

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Thread 2

Thread 3

For those who are taking a peek and wondering whether thread 1,2, and 3 are worth reading, we mostly discuss a bit of advanced skincare here with a perspective of seeking out the right ingredients for our particular needs. Distinguishing the acid toners from the actives whilst avoiding the truly unimpressive and harmful ingredients with a hope to achieve a bit of anti-ageing, alleviate irritation and sensitivities with some idle chat in between. Deviations on this thread are mostly my fault. Grin

This January we're doing some added extra chitchat about food and diet and reducing or eliminating sugar for both overall and skin health. Recipe sharing encouraged.

If you're in need of some advice coming to grips with your skincare routine please don't hesitate to ask, we don't bite, only occasionally sting with a bit of Biologique Recherche P50 now and then Wink. Just make sure to state clearly what your concerns and needs are in as much detail as possible, skincare is highly individual and a random recommendation for a 'good' product will be completely different from one person to the next.

If you want help, please do read through the previous threads first. It takes a lot of time and effort to answer these queries and often the answers can be found in previous threads, but if you still have questions use the following form to make life easier on us. We generally answer one or to two people a day on a first come first served basis. Not everyone will have answers and sometimes we can't answer you at all. We're only a bunch of amateurs that can respond by suggesting what we would do in your place, for any severe conditions please seek out professional help.


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Makeup : eg. no/light coverage/medium coverage/heavy coverage

Occasional treatments:

Things I've tried in the past with disastrous results:

Things that are really working well for me now:

Any dietary/health concerns/pregnant:

What I'm willing to spend on a single skincare item: eg. >£10, £10-20, £20-50, £50-100, no limits.

I specifically [want help with/am looking for a product to/am curious about trying]:


Ahem, and finally a little note on spending. I'm well aware these threads cause many to reach for their wallets and spend with wild abandon. There can sometimes be a bit of a frenzy surrounding the excitement around a newly discovered product or on the back of great improvements when someone reports back. This is all great, it doesn't however, mean everything that's a sudden miracle for one will be it for you. Usually, it's a light bulb moment for connecting the right skincare ingredient with an individual experiencing a specific problem. Take your time to mull over decisions and question whether it's right for you too. Skincare is highly individual, it's a slow game that should cost mostly in patience, input, education, and perseverance. Please don't make it cost you financially needlessly either.

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FunnyBunny01 · 13/01/2017 22:03

Bo - Thanks for the advice yesterday, I appreciate you taking the time for me. I guess I'll go through what you wrote point by point:
-Not diagnosed as having hormonal acne, I've never been to see GP about it. I assume it is hormonal as it is around jawline/ cheek area and gets worse around my period, happy to be told otherwise. Not been addressed by anything outside as skincare, but I will look into the dietary advice as below.

  • My skin doesn't affect me on a daily basis, I don't think twice about it unless I have an obvious spot, happy to pop to shops etc with no makeup on. I think my spending came about from always wanting to try the newest thing, hoping that I'd find something amazing. I'm now learning to look past the marketing spiel and that I don't need something just because someone else has it! I will look into Derm advice, thanks.
-I've looked into your suggestion of 'gluten face'. It's not something I've heard of before and not an assumption I would have made. I don't think I eat a lot of gluten, maybe pasta twice a week and the odd cake and biscuit but maybe this is enough to show in my face? I'll look further into this as I'm possible consuming more than I realise. -Same with dairy, I don't have milk or yogurts, maybe cheese once a week. I can probably cut this out. -Will look into the rest of your dietary /supplement suggestions, these are very helpful so thanks. Liking the spearmint tea, I do have a lot of herbal teas so will look out for these.
  • The routine is exactly what I think I was looking for, pared down and simple with good actives. I think what I'll do is gradually introduce a new product as one I'm using finishes. A few things are on their last legs so this shoudn't be too hard! I'm feeling positive about making these changes Grin
hollinhurst84 · 13/01/2017 22:09

I have my purple BB cream on (thanks Bo!)
The world is ok again GrinGrinGrin
Turns out the snail thing sample I got is another BB cream so I'll slap that on in the name of research

purple15 · 13/01/2017 22:11

I asked a few days ago about foundation. Botemp and Harris suggested the nxy concealer wand on yellow for my dark circles and was amazed how it covered my eye bags.

I asked about foundation. I currently use bare minerals and Estée Lauder double wear for special occasions.
I have eye bags and some redness. I want it to cover my imperfections but look like I'm not wearing any.

Pupsiecola · 13/01/2017 22:53

Fizzy I do have early rosacea but not acne. I use Face Theory and LRP Redermic. I like Eucerin too.

SheStoodInTheStorm · 13/01/2017 23:05

I'm using ELDW too. Love the coverage and the fact it stays put (well, more than others I've tried) but I'm sure it's not good for my skin.

Definitely blemished at the mo bo so I'll start with the HA. Just in the PM after cleansing before moisturising?

Also did not know that about eye products

SheStoodInTheStorm · 13/01/2017 23:50

Also what are the thoughts on this and the claims?

http://www.goodtoknow.co.uk/wellbeing/543793/frank-body-coffee-scrub-skin-condition-cure?utmcampaign=GTKgeneric&utmmsource=Facebook&utmmedium=Social&utmmterm=main

It was huge on Instagram and now seems to have articles about it!

FizzyBubbly · 14/01/2017 07:26

Sorry Pupsie at least I was half right!Blush

botemp · 14/01/2017 09:13

I come bearing good reformulation news for a change! The 2017 version of the Biore Watery Essence (and the Gel version) will be water and sweat resistant! So a much better choice year round, still wouldn't rec it for sports and there's no mention of sebum resistance but the lightweight formula is promised to be the same and it's still removable with a face wash, so promising!

But Kennington, if I turn into a blogger you'll all stop talking to me as I've become a sellout Wink. In all seriousness, I am making steps to store some of this info in an easier to read form but it's a lot of work to set it up and there will be some costs involved. It's actually a bit of a challenge to see how that would pay for itself without selling my soul. I can cover the physical costs quite easily but it would be good to find a financial model that doesn't involve selling your soul to the devil or resorting to continual begging.

Fizzy, what sort of acne marks are we talking? If it's pigmentation then Vit C and Niacinamide are indeed the ones to look at but scar tissue is a different thing. Older established pigmentation takes very long to affect with Vit C an AHA can help with this too (can't remember if you're using one or not, the P50 PIGM would be a good one as it's specially formulated to tackle pigmentation issues).

The Melano CC is good for spot control right after a spot has gone but the % of Vit C is unknown, I recced that because Funny was already using it and had another backup. Aside from the high price I'd be more inclined to rec the PC's version, Resist Vitamin C Spot Treatment 25%. I couldn't find it on the UK site before when Enid asked about the Melano but they seem to sell it in 5ml now (price still extortionate) and 15ml version, though you won't need much product. If Vit C and niacinamide aren't working for you, it's worth looking into Azelaic acid, either in the PC version that combines it with BHA and Licorice Root Extract (great for established pigmentation) I recced to Funny which is formulated to tackle pigmentation while treating active breakouts or TO one which is a bit more one dimensional in comparisson.

I haven't made the recipe, I think either Grana Padano (which is practically the same and cheaper) or Pecorino Romano do exist in veggie versions. Gruyere rind might work too, no idea on the veggie status of that. I know parmesan rind is often used to up the umami flavouring in food so I guess replacing it with something else that does that (like dried porcini mushrooms) would be the best route to go down otherwise.

I had no rock bottom withdrawal symptoms Confused. The two weeks weaning off sugar were no fun but after that I didn't give it much thought. Should point out I'm good at quitting things so may just have been me.

Funny, do feel free to tell me to shut up. I've been raised by a psychotherapist so tend to overanalyse. I do, however, think it is important to understand these things about ourselves to avoid repeating the same mistakes and I feel you're treating your spending issues the same as you have your skin. You've made assumptions and treated it superficially on that basis when it may require looking into on a deeper level, many of us are victims of marketing and like new things but when it comes in extreme forms there's usually something more to it.

Wrt diet, what are you eating? Speaking as someone who has had to do elimination diets for health reasons I can pretty much tell you gluten and dairy are in everything. Are you then eating a very limited diet of protein, fruit, veg, and sweets (which isn't balanced and therefore not ideal either)? Also, my advice isn't to cut anything out. It's to have yourself checked out for food allergies provided you have other symptoms that indicate a possible sensitivity to a certain food group. If you're already eating very minimal dairy I wouldn't change that, perhaps just switch to organic. I only really advocate cutting sugar because from experience it's easier to manage than low sugar to reach the advised maximum daily sugar allowance. I'm not a proponent of cutting out entire food groups without medical reasons at all, it's about finding the right balance.

I forgot to add in that I recced the EltaMD SPF since it has a high % Niacinamide in there so is a good multitasker, and also if you find little else helping your acne further down the line, it's worth looking into blue and red light therapy (the home devices are actually preferred for this due to daily use).

I love how we're all obsessed with color correcting products, Hollin. You're sporting the purple, Purple's sporting the yellow concealer, and us Sisley fanatics are slapping on the orange, and lest we forget yongnian and THE palette Grin.

Speaking of BB creams, from the AB Reddit: The Dr. Jart Premium BB cream is most likely mispriced on the Boots site, it's £8 but should be about £26. Comments indicated it was quite a nice one so could be a nice bargain for those of you in the UK. Comments indicated a perfect match for NW20 and it being slightly pale and pink so possibly a NW15 could make it work too.

Purple15, I like Laura Mercier Tinted Moisturiser but it may not have enough coverage so you'd have to spot conceal. I was quite impressed witht the Urban Decay Naked One & Done foundation/TM/BB hybrid but the shade range was very limited.

Storm, I must have missed the memo that cellulite is now curable Confused. All that product does is help ease the otherwise natural healing of those issues by fighting inflammation which would have otherwise resolved itself, albeit it slower, or in the case of things like cellulite it helps with appearance, as long as you use the product.

If it helps, can you all just start viewing all these internet brands/spiels/miracles/market pushes through social media like the old school home shopping/QVC? We all knew it was a shitty knife set but somehow there were always enough people out there to believe in the magic of slicing through frozen foods and cans and praising the magic of it before it all ended up in charity shops and landfills.

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Pupsiecola · 14/01/2017 09:57

Talk to me about dry shampoo please. I've never used it. Always shied away because I hate product in my hair. But now it's shorter and choppier and more manageable I think I can get away without washing it every day (I move a lot in my sleep + it gets a little greasy on day 2 + I exercise most days). There must be some decent ones out there, that don't leave your hair feeling all claggy?

botemp · 14/01/2017 10:05

If it's just for cleaning a bit, no volume or heavy scents I like the Klorane Oatmeal one (in dark for brunettes) best. For a bit more texture, a hair pick me up of sorts that helps style it, I like Sachajuan Dark Volume powder and will usually use a combination of the two.

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Pupsiecola · 14/01/2017 12:57

Yeah, just a bit of cleaning at the roots really. I wouldn't go more than a couple days without washing so no smells lol. I have plenty of volume and body so don't need anyof that. I'm brunette so will look at that Oatmeal one. Thanks.

AuroraPolaris · 14/01/2017 13:24

I made the soup and it was delicious! I'm also vegetarian but though I'm very strict with meat and fish I'm not strict with cheeses. I guess my diet already has quite a few limitation and adding that plus family life/ eating would make things very tough.
I think you could indeed replace the Parmesan with Grana or Pecorino (though it's hard to get good pecorino) and simply omit the rind or replace it with stock/ stuck cube, or use more onion...?

I can't remember hitting any sugar-free rock bottom either. I had to do it from one day to the other. No mental preparation or anything! It was simply hard to begin with (it was December too!) and actually got easier as I went along. But like bo I also find it relatively easy to quit things.

Purple - most days I just use concealer (read - the concealer) under eyes and around nose and just blend it out in the direction of cheeks etc plus mascara, blush and lipstick. So I'm not the best person to ask about high coverage foundation. I do have the Clinique CC cream which I love and recently bought Chanel VLA which I also love. Before that I used YSL Le Trint Touché Eclat for years, but that was before they changed the formulation and colours.

FizzyBubbly · 14/01/2017 13:33

Can't help with dry shampoo. We do have it but it's for DH to use on his golf balls Hmm

That's great news about the Biore Bo, fingers crossed the things I like about it don't change too. Will attach a pic of my acne marks. Photo was taken 2 months ago and there's very little change. I've got some Bravura lactic acid 10% that I can use. Is it safe to use AHA on my cheeks and BHA on my chin/jaw in the same routine?

Ooh porcini mushrooms sound like a great addition to that recipe as I'm not a great cheese lover (mild cheddar and mozzarella are as strong as I go) but the smoked cheese that's in it sounded good.

Glad you didn't hit rock bottom with withdrawal, I think I might stop dithering and just go for it. Think the hardest thing will be eating out for sure. I'm a fussy eater at the best of times (see above, so many veggie options are cheese based) and don't get me started on veggie options that contain Parmesan Angry

EnidButton · 14/01/2017 13:37

Just nipping on to say my cosrx arrived today so much quicker than expected. (Amazon) Although going to the post office for it made me miss a second delivery which was important Anyway, will get that on my nose and decide where else to try it.

Hope you're all well. Flowers

FizzyBubbly · 14/01/2017 13:39

Cross posted with you there Aurora, I do tend to go a bit rogue when it comes to recipes so a few changes won't matter!

SheStoodInTheStorm · 14/01/2017 13:48

Haha yes I like that way of thinking bo! Wasn't thinking of buying any shall never. If anything again without reading up and asking you lot on here but it just amazes me the claims that it makes. It's also very scrubby for your face Shock

After reading the threads on bloggers my eyes are much more open now.

AuroraPolaris · 14/01/2017 13:50

I actually didn't use the smoked cheese as my kids are lactose intolerant. I used lactose free mozzarella. DS1 already asked me to make it again! Be sure to report back after you've made it!

AuroraPolaris · 14/01/2017 13:53

bo I checked the INCI of the MANYO eye cream and it looks pretty amazing.
The site you linked only has the face version of the eye cream and I'm not if I understand the difference in INCI Hmmbut if it's the same I want to order.

Also want this as I still need a cream -

Yet More Fantastic Skincare and Where To Find It
AuroraPolaris · 14/01/2017 14:17

Forgot to say I DIYed a coffee and coconut oil scrub a few years ago, but mainly in order to use before self tan Grin
Didn't notice anything magical when I used it Hmm

feettothestars · 14/01/2017 14:48

Bo thank you! That is my BB cream and what a steal! I've been using it for years and love it. I am really fair with yellow tones and it's perfect for me. Yes the nicest BB I've found. I really like the Boots botanic one if anyone is after a good budget BB cream, it's great.

I bought The Concealer. Wow. Two people so far have said I look really well and asked if I've done something different.

Today I made Madeline Shaw's raspberry and pistachio brownies and learnt that coconut flour is not a good substitute for buckwheat flour at all. Thanks google.

EnidButton · 14/01/2017 15:27

Gluten free brownies are the Kings of all the brownies but unfortunately need a heap of sugar in them. So no use to us but thought I'd say. Grin

I'm going to have to buy The Concealer aren't I? --Why does it have to be so expensive?!-/

AuroraPolaris · 14/01/2017 15:50

Another convert!! Well done feet!! Grin

littlepinkfizz · 14/01/2017 18:17

It this The Concealer

FizzyBubbly · 14/01/2017 19:07

Right, who's going to start offering decants of this concealer?! GrinGrinGrin
Either that or I'm going to need before and after photos of you all wearing it before I reach for my purse!

botemp · 14/01/2017 19:35

First of all, THE concealer is significantly cheaper at allbeauty, secondly, do go try it on in store first to figure out the colour. Shade two works magic on me but I had to really see the effect in store because from swatches you'd think I were mad. Thirdly, THE concealer is far too precious to share! No decants! GRRR!

Sisley, where's my commission already? I'll happily accept bronzers and eyeshadow palettes, possibly the foundations you can keep the vagina palette.

Fizzy you can use AHA and BHA in the same routine without issue, BHA comes before AHA in order. That recipe didn't appeal much to me on account of all the cheese and potatoes so I definitely think it can be altered a bit (the way I look at most recipes anyhow), some greenery would be nice too, thyme, possibly some cavalo nero or spinach tossed in at the end?

I have been thinking about it a bit, Storm. That Q&A with Dr. Sam on here from a few years back (I'm guessing it was 2012/13) was so overtly sponsored and really unsubtle about it, it really shows how manipulative and integrated advertising has become these past few years but I'm sure in a few years we'll look back and think the same way then as we do know about all those home shopping telemarketing schemes.

I was a bit confused about the name too, Aurora, and assumed it was just weird Korean translations. Strangely the size is 30ml on the one on offer so that sounds more like the eye cream... it's so confusing but it's pretty cheap so if there's other things to order on there you'll just have to wait and see which one you end up with.

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