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Even More Fantastic Skincare And Where To Find It

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botemp · 16/12/2016 10:37

Thread 1

Thread 2

For those who are taking a peek and wondering whether thread 1and 2 are worth reading we mostly discuss a bit of advanced skincare here with a perspective of seeking out the right ingredients for our particular needs. Distinguishing the acid toners from the actives whilst avoiding the truly unimpressive and harmful ingredients with a hope to achieve a bit of anti-ageing, alleviate irritation and sensitivities with some idle chat in between deviations on this thread are mostly my fault. Xmas Grin

If you're in need of some advice coming to grips with your skincare routine please don't hesitate to ask, we don't bite, only occasionally sting with a bit of Biologique Recherche P50 now and then Xmas Wink. Just make sure to state clearly what your concerns and needs are, skincare is highly individual and a random recommendation for a 'good' product will be completely different from one person to the next.

If you want help, have read through the previous threads, but if you still have questions use the following form to make life easier on us. We generally answer up to two people a day on a first come first served basis. Not everyone will have answers and sometimes we can't answer you at all. We're only a bunch of amateurs that can respond by suggesting what we would do in your place, for any severe conditions please seek out professional help.

Skin type:

Approx age (range):

Primary skin concern:

Routine :

AM :

PM :

Makeup : eg. no/light coverage/medium coverage/heavy coverage

Occasional treatments:

Things I've tried in the past with disastrous results:

Things that are really working well for me now:

Any dietary/health concerns/pregnant:

What I'm willing to spend on a single skincare item: eg. >£10, £10-20, £20-50, £50-100, no limits.

I specifically [want help with/am looking for a product to/am curious about trying]:

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LtheWife · 20/12/2016 19:48

Aurora I use the blue orchid purely because that's what the woman behind the counter recommended and I sampled and liked it. I don't tend to be very oily post roaccutane (a bit of a shiny nose/chin come midday towards the end of my cycle), the dehydration is more of an issue so I thought it was an ok fit.

It doesn't seem too rich but I'll ask for a sample of the lotus to try instead if you think it might be causing a problem.

EnidButton · 20/12/2016 20:31

Does anyone have any clue as to why my nose is peeling again? Hmm

It's thin papery bits that peel off rather than flake, a bit like sunburn minus any redness or irritation. All make up looks awful over it. It went for a few weeks after I started using Vichy thermal serum on it and now also topped with cicaplast.

Only thing I can think of is, after the serum last night I forgot to put moisturiser/cicaplast over it until a few hours later.

God it's such an annoying boring thing! Been like it for years on and off. I am dehydrated because of my illness so wonder if it's that.

I'm boring myself here. Xmas Grin Have plastered a thick layer of cicaplast on it for now.

EnidButton · 20/12/2016 20:32

Safe journey Yong hope you get a bit of sleep in.

NoJimmyProtested · 20/12/2016 20:39

Just dropping in to say, whoever recommended Paula's Choice 2% BHA as an acid toner (on this thread or the previous) - wow. Have been using for just over a week and my oily skin already looks so much better! Huge sebaceous filaments on my nose are much less dark and obvious! And rest of skin looks clearer and more glowy. Thank you :)

Don't think I have the time or money to commit to other more serious products at the moment, but this + Skinceuticals serum is working great for me at the mo Grin

Dulcimena · 20/12/2016 20:45

Safe travels Yong!

Enid, I'm sorry, I can't remember what you're using - what are the acids and retinoids in your routine?

botemp · 20/12/2016 20:51

Have a safe journey, yong!

Jo, I've tried a sample of the Pai Deep Cleansing Mask once, made my face itch like crazy and very red. Did nothing good or bad in the end.

Pupsie, no clue how long the massage is but I have a set routine that I follow working from the neck upwards. I mix up a lot of different techniques including some applied to me during facials, when I'm lazy I use the body shop face massager thingy. Here are some videos for inspiration:

Silently, the NIOD Vit C is in a silicone base which is why I've always held off buying that but the formulation is similar to the TO Vit C (they've just used a non-silicone base which is surprisingly like a silicone). I'm guessing they recommend it for nighttime as it might not play well with other products, that's the reason they gave on instagram for TO version.

I do have two new Vit C serums in my radar but have to look into them further a bit as I suspect one is using suggestive marketing to make some false claims (think the creative maths around Sunday Riley's Good Genes and their 40% Lactic Acid concentration).

Ok, Gothy and Bracey next and if I have time LtheWife and then hopefully a nice warm bath.

Dr. Sam Bunting also just put out a .

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AuroraPolaris · 20/12/2016 20:53

Enid I'm almost sure it's dehydration - I had on off peeling nose for years (and skin under brows) and didn't know what it was.
Got home a little while ago and still have stuff to do so I'll try to help you more in depth tomorrow or at least tell you how I racked it (basically P50, HA and oils and looots of layers) but in the meantime remind me what you are using at the moment?

AuroraPolaris · 20/12/2016 20:58

What bo said about NIOD Vit C Xmas Grin

And re Blue Orchid oil I can't see it doing any damage as all those oils are really great it's more that the Lotus might be more effective. I've tried the BO one as well and wasn't as impressed. Good idea to ask for sample and compare!

And WOW Pupsie ordered The Palette!!!

Bon voyage yong pls send pics from the shelves Xmas Grin

botemp · 20/12/2016 22:04

@Gothy

So as mentioned previously the prescription stuff is hard to comment on and I’m going to have to treat them as your actives and what we need to get right is a balance between the heavyweight prescription stuff and build a supportive foundation in your basic routine that nourishes and doesn’t dry you out further and work towards a low pH to fight the bacteria.

As mentioned you really need to be getting in hydration, moisture, SPF (most especially SPF not only for your skin to recover but it is imperative to use in conjunction with Retin-A, whatever SPF is in a moisturiser or makeup simply isn’t covering it and is unlikely to be broad spectrum) and you need some non stripping cleansers.

Routine suggestion:

The basics: keep your face away from the shower water, it's too hot. All skincare happens at the sink, including cleansing. Tepid water, clean flannel every day. Wash hands before starting routine. With your skin concerns eliminate SLS from toothpaste, shampoo, conditioner and any other products your skin comes into contact with.

AM:

LRP Toleriane Dermo Cleanser (wash off or use HCC method)

(LRP Serozinc)

A hydrating serum, I’m hesitant to point you towards TO HA 2% + B5 as this usually great for you skin type but drying to others and the prescription stuff worries me that we’re doubling up so perhaps Superdrug Simply Pure Hydrating Serum, TO Buffet, Hylamide SubQ anti-age, or Niod Multi-Molecular Hyaluronic Complex are better suited, if you can afford the latter that would be my first choice as that has the best set of (non oil) moisturising and hydrating ingredients of the lot, second choice would be the Superdrug serum.

LRP Toleriane Fluid (this is oil free and contains the most minimal amount of ingredients and therefore irritants)

SPF for featherweight light as air ideal for your skin type try the Biore UV Aqua Rich Watery Essence Sunscreen SPF50+ PA++++ year round, upgrade to a sweatproof one when spending long periods of time outside come fairer weather.

PM:

Oil based cleanser with an emulsifier, have you tried Clinique TTDO balm before? I’m happy to send you a sample of a good emulsifying oil cleanser (not in balm form, would be the Muji Sensitive Cleansing oil) for you to try and see there really is no reaction as it washes oils of completely.

LRP Toleriane Dermo Cleanser

(LRP Serozinc)

Actives per prescription - still curious what salicylic you’re using btw

Moisturiser - where necessary and dependant on actives.

Relegate the micellar for eye makeup remover. Again I’m stressing the importance of SPF in your routine. I know they’re not pleasant but give the Biore a try as it is extremely light and is absorbed in seconds. Using a daily SPF will allow your skin to stop fighting on several battlefronts, in can stop your skin dispensing its resources and energy on trying to mitigate sun damage and focus on healing the acne, allow it to recover and it will help heal over scarring as a result of acne quicker too.

I’ve placed LRP Serozinc in parenthesis as I do think this will be beneficial to you but I wouldn’t want to introduce too many products at once. I also think a green clay mask (Cattier do a good one) will help once a week. Also stop squeezing out the gunk! You’re only inducing more trauma on the skin, the more inflammation the more energy and resources your skin is wasting into trying to fix that damage and not using that for your acne issues.

As mentioned before, skin is not a standalone object. It’s a broader approach so diet and exercise play into this too but am assuming with the fibro and long history of acne you’ve got this covered or at the very least know what works for you and what doesn’t.

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botemp · 20/12/2016 22:09

@Bracey

As mentioned before I suspect you’re dehydrated combo rather than dry. Please read upthread about the difference.

Ahem, On Physical Exfoliants aka Why I (and other skincare nerds) Believe They’re Shit :

-They cause micro tears on the skin (granted not all of them, but most especially the natural derived ones like apricot kernel, etc.) and you’re not consciously aware of this accumulating damage.

-The appropriate amount of use for a physical exfoliant is once every two weeks.

-While it feels smooth after it is very temporary as it works very superficially sloughing of the dead skin that was already somewhat loosening. A chemical exfoliant will actively dissolve the bonds holding that outer layer that you want removed in a far gentler way and more effectively. The result is actual smoother skin for longer that is brighter too (and you can do it far more often than once a fortnight.

-In skincare everything is technically ‘chemical’, a chemical exfoliant is derived from ‘natural’ ingredients like milk, willow bark, sugar cane, fruit enzymes, etc. whilst it's far more likely that a physical scrub contains plastic microbeads. Don’t be fooled by the semantics, chemical exfoliants are not as scary as they sound.

-User error with physical exfoliants is high, as mentioned above on the appropriate time between use which people will most likely not be adhering to as it would never suffice to constantly deliver that ‘smooth’ and clean feeling on a bi-weekly basis. People overdo it, needlessly damaging skin and sensitising it only to invite in further skin related issues. The less it's working the more people start to use it, thus starting an endless cycle of terrible choices. Whilst there is equally the opportunity to overexfoliate with chemical exfoliation the telling signs are far easier to detect and therefore easier to correct.

So Routine:

The basics: Keep your face away from the shower water, it's too hot. All skincare happens at the sink, including cleansing. Tepid water, clean flannel every day. Wash hands before starting routine. Acids need to be introduced slowly, some purging may occur but should not continue, nor should continued irritation with any product. Generally (hard in your case I'm aware) introduce products slowly (cleansers are exempt from this), 2 weeks apart.

Relegate the scrub to the body. Get rid of the Simple toner, not doing a thing.

AM:

LRP Toleriane Dermo Cleanser (wash off or use HCC method)

A hydrating serum, Superdrug Simply Pure Hydrating Serum, TO Buffet, Hylamide SubQ anti-age, or Niod Multi-Molecular Hyaluronic Complex

Use whatever moisturiser you have now provided you like it.

SPF Yes, you need a standalone one, the stuff in moisturisers and makeup are rarely broad spectrum, nor do they really give the advertised protection. If you only do one thing for anti-ageing then do this.

PM

Current cleanser provided it works well for you and takes off makeup well, possibly switch to The Body Shop Chamomile Cleansing Butter

LRP Toleriane Dermo Cleanser

Paula’s Choice Skin Perfecting 2% BHA Liquid - get the travel size first or sample sachet. Build up gradually from 2-3x a week up to every (other) day. Use only in oily prone areas where blackheads and sebaceous filaments reside.

Serum of choice - see below

Moisturiser

Long term: consider incorporating Vitamin C, Niacinamide and a Retinoid (all available from The Ordinary at affordable prices) for anti-ageing and spot management but get the basics sorted first. See how you get on with BHA and the blackheads and recalibrate as you go along where skin type is concerned as BHA can have an effect on this.

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botemp · 20/12/2016 22:20

@NoJimmyProtested, I'm glad to hear the BHA is working out for you, it is pretty amazing if you respond well to it. The fiddyshades technique that's been previously linked is pretty fab with it too. What serum from Skinceuticals are you using? And in terms of committing money wise if you are wanting some other actives The Ordinary is really punching above its weight and it's all in the £5-15 range.

Nose peeling has to do with oil production iirc @EnidButton, I always used to have it after my facialist did extractions using a higher strength BHA. I'd have a bit of peeling then very clean nose, then oily nose. Is the Kiehl's peel perhaps too strong for the nose area or are you not using it there?

@SheStoodInTheStorm, in case you missed it as it's been chat central here tonight: Pupsie will give you a decant of P50W if you PM her, send her a self addressed envelope and decant bottle by Friday.

LtheWife, I will get to you tomorrow, as will my relaxing bath Sad.

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EnidButton · 20/12/2016 22:37

Dulci Only Kiehl's micro peel at the moment. Nothing was really working for me so I stopped everything about 6 weeks ago and started with cleanser and moisturiser. I have those basics in place now so I'm about ready to add other things.

Aurora I think it's dehydration too. I'm going to the gp to plead with them to send me to someone who knows wtf they're doing because I am permanently thirsty and have all the symptoms of dehydration but that's another thread. So it might not be possible to sort my peeling skin out with topical stuff really, now I've thought about it.

Currently my very stripped back 'routine' is

AM-
LRP toleriane cleanser.
LRP toleriane fluide
Kiehl's creamy avocado eye treatment
(Lanolin/lansinoh on lips until I put lipstick on-no idea if that's relevant.)

Occasionally also use Elemis pro radiance balm. Maybe once a week or fornight.

PM-
EH balm, removed with flannel. (if wearing make up)
LRP cleanser
Kiehl's nightly refining micro peel
Kiehl's avocado eye cream
Vichy aqualia thermale serum on nose
Cicaplast on nose
half a tube of lansinoh on lips

Haven't used recently but I occasionally use Zineryt prescribed from gp on my jaw and chin where I get spots. Always have some unmixed in the cupboard just in case.

Have been using No7 micro dermabrasion once a week ish, which I do like even though I know it is banned from the thread. Grin

Origins clay masks on chin/jaw if I'm having flare ups. Don't know if these do much so won't RP.

Have used serozinc on chin/jaw but not convinced it does anything for me. Think I need to try it again for longer.

I can't use anything with Shea butter etc, Rosemary/pine oil . Skin also hates HA, glycolic and salicylic. Combo, dehydrated, under skin congestion around chin, SF on nose, sometimes sensitive, hormonal breakouts, super sensitive to sugar and wheat. (Gorgeous. Grin)

I have a sample of Kiehl's midnight recovery oil that I'm going to try when my hormonal/sugar overload breakout goes and Corsx bha which I tried on my nose earlier but then forgot and went in the shower an hour later...

Good to do a little review for my own benefit. Everything in my routine so far isn't causing extra breakouts, like my previous moisturisers and I think the Kiehl's peel is clearing up any blemishes that pop up as well as fading them faster. Really like the eye cream.

All of that mainly for my own benefit. I know I need to cut out the sugar completely and reduce wheat before I start anything else. Ain't going to happen in the next 2 weeks though, let's be honest.

EnidButton · 20/12/2016 22:38

That's an essay! Don't worry about reading it anyone, I was going through it and getting things straight for myself mainly.

botemp · 20/12/2016 22:44

It seems to be essay night, Enid Xmas Grin. I think it should be helpful for most though and I love reading the feedback and it's the best (early) and probably my only Christmas pressie to read about everyone's progress great or small and difference things are making to their routine.

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EnidButton · 20/12/2016 22:52

Grin I forgot Avene thermale water spray after cleanser before moisturiser. I use the body shop face massager at that point too, to get some blood flowing. Also use the water spray to set make up.

EnidButton · 20/12/2016 22:53

If no-one gets you a present bo then you have to get the Stila palette for yourself. It's only right.

botemp · 20/12/2016 22:59

I've been applying much of that logic myself Enid Xmas Wink. Christmas not traditionally a gift giving holiday for adults here, it's been catching on in recent years and we've resisted so far but THAT mythical palette may convert me into demanding the worst of Christmas consumerism...

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Pupsiecola · 20/12/2016 23:14

LtheWife I hear you re the endo :-( Twenty years and I could take no more. I had a partial hysterectomy (keyhole surgery!) aged 39.

goatkid · 20/12/2016 23:36

Hi all, just reporting back following my fantastic advice from bo a few weeks back. I've been lurking ever since and absorbing all of your info.

As recommended, I switched to LRP dermo cleanser. Added a daily SPF (also LRP) and TO vit C in pm and HA in am.

I cannot believe the improvement!! bo you are a genius. I would never have tried those products without your recommendation as they sound too technical and intimidating for someone like me. The post spot pigmentation on my cheeks must have halved already, It's no longer red and angry looking and is now a faint pink hue. It's an incredible improvement in only a couple of weeks. You were right about the forehead faint lines being dehydration too. They've pretty much vanished.

The only negative I have is using the Vit C at night has left a lovely yellow tinge on my white pillowcases, but I'll take it for better looking skin Grin.It's better than it's been in a really long time. Going to persevere with this same routine then maybe add TO Nio at a later date to try and balance out my skin more and prevent the (occasional) spot. Hopefully that will work well. So thanks again for taking the time for offering your advice & Merry Christmas to all of you Xmas Smile

Pupsiecola · 20/12/2016 23:46

You're right bo lol. The Redermic I rarely use (think I forget I have it - I did sort out my skincare drawer earlier so that will help). I would RP. I'm not sure about the Elta MD. I'm keen to try the one winging it's way from Asia.

Mint I too find the TO caffeine serum helps with general puffiness. I don't have a problem with dark circles so can't comment on that.

NoJimmy that's fab that you've noticed such a difference with the PC BHA.

Thanks for the videos about massage guys. I shall look tomorrow. I have spent about 6 hours trying to get my house back in order. I don't think my family (or I) had realised just how much the mess/dust/crap everywhere was getting to me. I have a touch of OCD and living like that for four months, at this time of year when SAD also creeps in, was really getting to me. Not quite finished with kitchen yet, but serious progress has been made, and wow I feel so much better already.

I agree bo. Lovely to read about how people are getting on. Not even sure if I have bought the right Stilla palette btw (is there a right one?!). I just saw Model Recommends talking about one and thought I'd give it a go. I should say I have rarely worn eye shadow for many, many years on account of the awful dropping eyelids. But now I don't have those any more I feel I owe it to myself to explore some eye make up :-)

Pupsiecola · 20/12/2016 23:48

Awww goat what a lovely post. So glad it's working out for you. Could you swap the Vit C to the morning? That's when I do it... not sure if there was a specific reason why you're using it in the PM though.

Tsmummy08 · 21/12/2016 07:48

So how does everyone get their hands on BR P50?! Is it best to use the online form to get it from them direct? No spas selling it near me, apparently.... Thanks :)

Pupsiecola · 21/12/2016 07:55

muumy I ordered on line from a spa in London and they posted it to me. Wasn't grilled about my skin or routine.

Very happy to give decants. Just PM me and I'll give you my address so you can send a bottle... I can manage an envelope.

tigerdog · 21/12/2016 08:19

Morning. Hope you don't mind me dropping in. I'm just working my way through this thread for some skincare inspiration, so many excellent recommendations. My skin is actually ok these days but I'm needing to improve my routine. After surgery on part of my face, I couldn't wash it for two weeks - so used next to no products during that time - and the result was clear skin! I've since really reduced my reliance on foundation and only wear it on nights out, which seems to have maintained the improvement.

The recommendation I'm desperate for is a good eye product. This is my real problem area. I have dark circles, and a hollowed out look under my eyes - . The skin is thin and recently a vein has become more visible. They also puff up in the mornings. I suspect I am beyond the help of eye cream to be honest, but any suggestions would be welcome! Thank you.

Dulcimena · 21/12/2016 09:19

Morning Tiger and welcome Smile I'd really suggest trying TO Caffeine eye serum - it really should help with exactly what you've described. Keep it in the fridge, one drop every morning.