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botemp · 16/12/2016 10:37
Yes thank you for the new thread bo I forgot to say it in my last post. 
Just, I'm not sure why you want to change your routine, clear and glowing sounds brilliant! What are you looking to achieve?
I'm not a fan of retin-a at all, but whether you should reintroduce it or try an alternative retinol really comes down to what you want it to do. I have to say that if I could consistently describe my skin as clear and glowing, I wouldn't change a thing 
JDSTER well if the NOID smells of coffee it's smg my husband might be prepared to try. He doesn't use any skin care...
I think that if you feel the oil in your routine is enough of an occlusive (i.e. keeps the humectant effect of the other products locked in) and a moisturizer for you then it is enough. Which one are you using now?
I use oil after serum and then just before bed add an overnight mask, but I like layering and my skin is on the dry side.
There was some info upthread (the previous one) from a few days ago about that retinol oil. I think it's considered quite good but if you want to introduce retinol why not get TO 2% and continue using your own oil?
Dulci I'm using TO Matryxil and am very pleased. I initially thought it would not be enough but it is. I haven't given Buffet a go though. You can always mail Deciem and ask.
I used the Benton as a serum in the AM. It's an essence so in AB theory/ logic should come after cleansing or spray and before a heavy duty serum... if you succumb to the 10 step routine
There was a nice diagram on their site, I'll look it up.... watch this space!
Just I'm also not sure what you would like to achieve. Can you be more specific so I/ we can maybe provide you with an helpful answer?
So glad to read about skin improvement overall ladies 
Pupsie hope you are OK over there 
Lots to catch up on...
I've noticed that too with silicone, Aurora, if it's used in skincare formulations in place of carrier oils it irritates the hell out of me. If like in makeup and SPF it's there to sit on top of the skin, no issues. The science doesn't really back me up on this because even in penetrating formulas silicone remains on your skin but it may just then be how the formulas are made or something (one delivers the ingredients while the other pertains it, maybe)? Also Paula Begoun seems to insist there is no such thing as silicon sensitivity and it's all in our heads 
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I've done both low-sugar and no-sugar and as contrary as it sounds no-sugar is so much easier to manage. In all honesty it's not completely no-sugar as certain social situations you can't get around it and it's in plenty of things that I don't prepare myself as well as naturally abundant in fruit & veg, etc. With low-sugar for me there always remained this continual cycle of my body wanting some (which still happens under the prompt from hormonal imbalances but it's a lot easier to recognise) and you inevitably fall in the trap of 'I've been good for so long, I should reward myself' etc. With no-sugar that isn't that present and the odd bit doesn't reverse all other progress either strangely.
Sorry, Enid only valid till Monday.
JDSTER for HA to not dissipate into the air (or worse pull out all your skin moisture) you need an occlusive on top that can be oil, moisturiser, or both. What you're doing sounds fine. If you're using the Retinoil from P&M that would come in place of serum and then whatever else you use comes on top (and I think you'd lose a bit of efficacy as a result but the Retinoil would be your main powerhouse serum in that routine anyhow). You could also just leave it at the oil and be done with the routine.
Good to know there's such a difference with the Bravura Fizzy, the PC are very well buffered (ie. their pH and therefore efficacy is maintained throughout the lifespan of the product, this isn't the case with a lot of acids). I think you got the lotion, right? Read it was recently reformulated so there may be something in that too.
Just, yes, more info on why you wish to use it would be helpful. For a night time moisturiser alternative have a look at Face Theory, they come in a pump (though I agree that the PB jar propaganda is a bit of nonsense but admittedly a pump or tube is so much more convenient). Pupsie, likes both the day and night time moisturisers, they're at a good price point and clean and simple formulations that should cater well with an actives routine.
Bugger it Jo, yes synthetic brushes are the devil when it comes to sensitive skin. I prefer natural hairs only for the powdered stuff and the BB for liquid and cream formulations.
Aurora, hope you had a nice time at the party yesterday, did you dare to go out in the heels? Need to desperately avoid de Bijenkorf today, am in a buying mood.
Oh that's helpful, thanks for posting that, Aurora. So if I use the snail bee essence in the morning, it goes before TO buffet/nia, is that right? I get a bit confused by the AB definitions (essence, lotion etc) tbh... You're right though, I can't see myself subscribing to the full 10 step routine! bit too lazy for that 
Pupsie yes I too think I'll be making sure not to overload skin, esp around cyclical freak outs. I'm also interested to know what impact that might have on efficacy. Listening.
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bo where do I start? Let's just say that it was probably the most boring party I've ever been to. It was in a club for 25th wedding anniversary of a very nice colleague and friend with live music and DJ from Antwerp so we thought it would be nice (though believe that even if this sounds super trendy it's not the kind of people I know/ hang out with and I haven't even been to a club for years). For some reason the very nice mutual friends we have were not there, so we escaped left after half an hour and went to have a drink somewhere else.
No I didn't wear the shoes I planed (Chie Mihara black ankle boots with bonze details and heels, also bought in the Bijenkorf sale last xmas 
) because by the time we left the house I was so tired I didn't have the resilience required. I wore the Philip Lim trainers though (also black with bronze, coincidentally) but not with a dress.
Hope you are avoiding that very tempting sale today. Remember, it'll be much much cheaper in a couple of weeks!
Yeah, I know what the "experts" say about silicone sensitivity, but I'd rather listen to my skin, thank you very much!
Agree that zero sugar (aka cold turkey) is much easier than low sugar. I think sugar is so addictive that unless you really cut it out your brain keeps begging and nagging and begging and nagging. The first few weeks are hell... but after that you just develop a different relationship with sugar 
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I am "allowed" to eat fruit (incl dry fruit) and anything that is 100% fruit (like date syrup, which I use a lot for baking). Because in my case it's health related I do check every label of stuff I buy. I only disregard this in bread, but also have a bread machine which makes most of our bread. When I was sick I also nagged asked about every single dish in restaurants, but now I'm doing well do not ask about savoury things anymore. I never stray because I know what the consequences on my health could be (besides twice-three times a year when we are on holiday and on my kids' birthday when I always taste from their cakes). I know I sound like a "saint" but believe me it was hard to get there!
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